I just LOL'ed twice as fast.

Joseph

@xxjudgmentxx:

Yeah... My Windows Mobile phone was still far slower than that, and was rarely able to render full size websites. And it was, and still us, until the Touch Pro comes out, one of the top out there. PPC-6800 on Sprint's Rev-A network.

If they showed the video of the WM phone doing that stuff, it would lock up trying to access the website, require a restart, and then take twice as long booting into Google Maps, and then it would not be able to open the PDF without installing a PDF reader, and even then it wouldn't display it nearly as well.

This is not being an Apple fanboy, the iPhone is the only Apple product I own. I have a Zune 80 for MP3, and still love it. But the iPhone is TONS better than my old WM and any current and near future WM phone out there.

End of story.

This is exagerated as hell because my GPS lock is instant, especially when outside like he was, and my websites load almost twice as fast as what he shows. He was probably standing, as it says, outside a bunch of stores, probably near tall buildings, where ANY GPS device has slow acquiring times.

The iPhone isn't perfect, but to say its as slow or unreliable as WM is pure ignorance. There are plenty of legitimate complaints for iPhones, people should concentrate on those instead of the ones brought up by people that don't even explain their testing methods.

VulnoX

@Bluesk1d: Fail.

don't be angry homie.

unlikelee

Think when I said if not I meant if so. Also I do love my iPhone, but the things that are wrong with it are spectacularly wrong in a way that no other company could ever do.

Onouris

@OMG! Ponies! Deservs It: Or Russia invading Georgia!

GeekyNerdGuy

The Burger King Whopper Ads are misleading. They never look the same in the Real World... Damn it!

G-stylez

It's a point, it's illegal to mislead in advertising. They're talking about 3G speeds, not WiFi (did the first gen iPhone have WiFi? If not then it especially applies - it's not twice as fast over WiFi even if the old one had that too).

It's kinda like ISP advertising here, with adverts saying 'up to 16Mb/s'. Yeah, the max speed for that service is 16 meg, but they know beforehand that the vast majority of their customers will probably only get half that. So Ofcom decided they were misleading and are forcing them to be more transparent.

Onouris

@SomeAudioGuy: PPC 6700 on Sprint? Oh I remember that pain, 2 years of it. Does it still have trouble switching from portrait to landscape?

Late_Night

So when the video started, and both were keeping pace, I thought "well this is a joke, saying that the iPhone is actually pretty fast." Then the video continued and my preconception was shattered. That was the biggest anti-iPhone argument I've seen.

jkr's bold comment

What a silly video. The 3G on my iPhone is very fast. Near wifi speeds at certain locations.

Ken_Darrow

You know what else is missing from the iPhone!?

THAT RING TONE!

That's all I want, a simple ring tone. No churchbells or dog barking. ...and I'm not paying 2 bucks for some crappy song. (yes, pre2.0 I hacked it and uploaded that exact ring).

James

and my iPhone works fine. Faster than that huge phone in the small hand..

Buzzed

When will Apple early adopters learn? The funniesnt part if the utter and complete fail the iPhone 3G launch has been (MobileMe, Appstore silliness, hardware issues, reception issues, etc) is them pulling down the IAmRich app... Apple pulling down an overpriced application for elitist jerks with money to burn... Am I the only one that finds that incredibly ironic?

Bluesk1d

not only that, but either you have a small ass hand or a big ass iPhone.

Buzzed

Well I can say that I've got the iPhone 3G and while no of course it's not as fast as their ad leads you to believe it is MUCH faster than the one they're comparing it to in the video. My 3G speeds are never near that slow.

Katarn3279

Hey hey, guys, it's ok, ads are supposed to be deceptive, you're an idiot if you think they aren't *drinks kool-aid*

zeroprime

I thought that AD was using WiFi? That's the only reason why it is so dam fast.

Buzzed

I'm REALLY not trying to be that guy, but my ppc6700 on sprint is a little faster than that, doing the same test while watching the vid.

What's surprising to me, is that the first gen iPhone seems to load web pages JUST as quickly. 3G?

SomeAudioGuy

Easy solution - just use Wifi - at least that is dependable, unlike AT&Ts horrid services...

ヨシダさん 25

What program was used to create this video? I really like the "text box list" effects.

Andrew

If anyone is retarded enough to believe that what they see in a commercial is 100% of how it's going to be in real life then they deserve what they get.

designaked

@Sir Hotbod Handsomeface: At least you didn't get mauled by Spuds Mackenzie.

OMG! Ponies! Deservs It

I like how they used the Stickies program.

EBone

@Dice:

I think that's it getting a more accurate as it locks onto more satellites.

SyphonFilter

This is just like that time I bought a case of Coors Light and the train with all the bikini models never showed up.

Sir Hotbod Handsomeface

i like how the gps feature goes back and forth tryign to locate you *.*

Dice

Nearly all my apps take 2-3 seconds just to open. Even stuff like Clock where no data is being downloaded. And the keyboard lag is still the as bad as ever after 2.0.1

They better release some kick ass firmware updates. Fast.

jfj

I smell a flame war a brewing.... better get the kids into the cellar before it's too late...

B1663R

next you are gonna tell me that Airborne doesn't prevent the common cold!

turi319

FAKE!

This is about as believable as a National Enquirer story about John Edwards having an affair while his wife has breast cancer.

OMG! Ponies! Deservs It

ROFLCOPTER.

I have nothing against Apple but they are too smug for their own good!

PS. Getting an HTC Touch Pro tomorrow.

SyphonFilter

@lilaliendog: thanks for sharing.

Sir Hotbod Handsomeface

i like how people complain about the amount of waiting time when using windows mobile and yet they don't realize their "jesus phone" is just as slow.

xxjudgmentxx

...well commercials are somewhat misleading but something between the comparison must be wrong...

I've been out of the country since before the iPhone 3G launch but whenever I saw the last gen. iPhone commercial I would always notice that the iPhone was be using a wifi connection.

So unless Apple has made sure that the iPhone is only connected via 3G, then I'm pretty sure that the iPhone is connected through wifi which will account for the speed.

warknight10

Apple has always been misleading in their ads. Many of which suggest that their screens have near infinite resolution.

This was particularly noticeable in the ads for the early iPods.

LittleJon

Is the 3G really that slow?

I've seen edge faster then that!

seldon452

The general public are sheep and apple makes products for sheep. Sheep buy i this or that, I own no apple products at all.

lilaliendog

ZOMG!!!

Evangelion

hmmm...laughable..pwnd.

helfrez

@G-stylez: I like the Jack in the Box ad on the side of their trucks that has a giant burger with huge type stating "Actual Size*" and then in tiny script at the bottom "*not actual size".

zeroprime

+ Watch video

justinpe

Honestly, if you people want a super fast connection to go to the NYT websites, go use a computer. I don't have an iPhone, and I won't be getting one until September/October, but please, if you buy (any) product and expect it to be as amazing as it is advertised, then you are sorely mistaken. Just be happy that you even have this device and stop jerking each other off (both gently because your Apple fanboys and aggressively because you anti-Apple fanboys).

kpburke

Not much different than any other ad you see on TV.

justinpe

@James:

If you have a mac you can use garage band. It is super easy and seamless to make any sound into a ringtone and import into itunes.

justinpe

Before the iPhone I really had no opinion about Apple. After I got the first iPhone and started using a Mac for the first time for iPhone development, I decided Apple was OK, but not anything to write home about, but I really liked the iPhone. Since the iPhone 3G and MobileMe release I'm beginning to feel like the Apple is rotten. Their products certainly have nothing on Microsoft products in terms of reliability. And Apple is much more closed in terms of attempting to lock in profits and pilfering customers. Originally proprietary head phone socket, non-replaceable batteries, locked down applications on the phone, grossly over priced upgrades on computers, sneaking in Safari on iTunes updates...the list of ways I discover Apple tries to take advantage of customers is ever growing. This company is not your friend. I don't know why people worship it.

sonicwinder

@ lilaliendog:

I completely agree with you. Everyone thinks Apple is so creative and makes the best products. What the sheep don't realize is that Apple has stolen multiple patents throughout the years. They make products for idiots.

I am waiting for either an unlocked Blackberry Bold or an Android phone.

kenji138

I find that my iPhone works pretty fast for web stuff and quite fast for downloading apps: using 3G that is and not using wireless. I have used the phone in North Jersey all the way tot he tip of Cape Cod and it was pretty snappy everywhere I had signal, which was almost everywhere. I think people need to calm down a bit...if you want to just bitch about the phone then go get a different one that has none of the functionality of the iPhone and then bitch about that. Cheers.

Fagatron

@Onouris:

You've got that backwards. The first iPhone had wireless, but did not have 3G. So if they're comparing anything in this phone directly with the old phone, it would be the wireless connection that they're claiming is twice as fast.

But I do think what their claim actually is is that 3G is twice as fast as whatever the old phone had. Is that at least true? I don't know.

Elliuotatar

Uh, you left "Harder" out of the article title.

Voohoo

i guess more people should play with their friends' i phones or go to an apple store before making a stupid decision. though, the white lighting and shiny whiteness might inhibit "healthy consumer behavior" as well. apple's always been this way. i mean, besides maybe some gaming computer manufactuers, apple is the only one that spends extra on making a fricking box look nicer than brown cardboard (which seems to do the trick...just one example)

it surprises me to think that steve jobs settles for this crap... maybe he has a cult of steve jobs and members (execs in apple, lame celebrities, etc) get overclocked iphones. or lots of drugs that slow their minds that make it seem fast... you never know, man. it could be like those guys who committed mass suicide in nike tracksuits in the 90s... only in turtlenecks and bluejeans... :)
dedalus out.

dedalus987

@James:

You can use any song or sound file as a ringtone on the iPhone. Just clip the song to 30 seconds or less, then import it into iTunes, which converts it to an M4A file in your music directory. Rename the file to M4R, and click it. It will be loaded into iTunes as a ringtone. Go to your phone and ringtones and update your phone, and voila!

Elliuotatar

Maybe the Apple commercial was filmed right next to a 3G tower? lol

OGHowie

I wish Apple would stop lying in their advertisements, too. I'm a sucker for the brand, but they be sleazy sometimes.

justinsane

i like the "oh everyone else does it too" attitude fan boys have when they get defensive. hahaahha

TonyBravo

@sonicwinder:
Wait, you mean like every other software/electronics company on earth? There is not a single thing in that list that is unique to Apple. Companies do this shit all the time, and none of them are held any more accountable.

juriko

Yer all haters.

The iPhone on the left is *clearly* "twice as fast" as the iPhone on the right.

phoomp

Apple having misleading ads? No...can't be. All their ads are true /sarcasm. VISTA FTW!!!!!!

mailbox01

Sure the images are probably doctored, like pretty much every fucking gadget commercial out there.

Somebody point me to a cellphone commercial that features their UI that is an honest, accurate rendition of one's user experience, and then we;ll talk.

In the mean time, that commercial stresses that it's "Twice as fast".

I thought that was being overly conservative. I mean, really? Only twice as fast as EDGE? If that's the case, then I'm definitely going to wait out on the 3G. To make web browsing really tolerable, it's going to have to be 3-5 times the speeds I'm currently getting with my first gen. iPhone.

Dearhaw

It's not as fast as the commercial, but I find the performance of the iPhone fine. I've tried living with Edge... Now that's a true test of patience!

pastrychef

Sad thing is: I bet lots of people believed in that ad.

Apple is as misleading as any other corporations... if not more.

Bokusatsu_Tenshi

"I have nothing against Apple but they are too smug for their own good!"

Explain how this makes them smug?

soulfinger

its like isps in the 90s that put up kiosks promoting high speed internet...

urbanturban666

@OMG! Ponies! Deservs It: Ooo... too soon.

... but still hella funny, and also spot-on.

mcdonnr

My 3G is faster then the original so who cares? We all know 3G sucks balls in the states as it is!

JEmlay

I think HP should be sued. I tried to do all those fancy things they showed on their commercials. I mean Keanu was creating stuff so easily and floating right at the palms of his hands.... Too bad in real life, its all crap since it runs Vista.

Ken_Darrow

Wow, advertising exaggerates real life? You mean that in real life cars don't drive on empty sunny country roads, but on a packed highway? Or that the beach you had seen on the hotel brochure wasn't empty but packed? wow...

And about the waiting bit... at least you have something to do while you're doing nothing.

sos10

You know, it's odd...

I have an old iPhone (first gen EDGE), and it does the things in the video faster than the one on the right - closer to the 3G phone on the left, as far as that goes.

Maybe they just picked a lousy time to hit the NYT site?

cirby

My experience with the iPhone is that the speed has nothing to do with the connection. WiFi and 3G are both about as fast in terms of the user experience even though bandwidth tests show huge differences (700k compared with 2mb). The speed issues are in the OS (or hardware/memory) not the connection. Safari is slow as hell to download web sites like Google mobile, when there is virtually nothing to transfer, 3G or WiFi. It doesn't matter. Both take about 3-5 seconds, and it's all in the rendering. Apps take a few seconds to load up, and basic functionality like the keyboard lag is maddening.

I like my iPhone 3G. A lot. But it is quirky and slow at times. That said, it's also quite usable and downloads are much faster than the WM Edge device I had.

Disclaimer: I generally hate Apple, SJ, the company, the fanboys, the advertising, their "do it my way or no way" attitude, and most of their products, but I love the iPhone, despite it's quirks. It's the one product that they've really led the way with. Version 4 or 5 of this thing should be really cool.

tlon

Clint Rutkas of www.betterthaneveryone.com actually sent that source in.

romado12187

I was going to trade in my iPhone for the 3g model, but when I checked it out in store, it was loading pages only slightly faster than mine. I spent at least half an hour testing it on web pages, youtube videos, everything. The difference is pathetic.

I'll wait until AT&T stops screwing around and keep using my wi-fi instead.

Jamez

Well, of course the ad is fake. Look at how the hand holding the phone looks eerily fake and NEVER moves. Still, I like my iPhone... even though I don't get a good 3G signal everywhere and the BEST speed I ever got was 1.56mbps. It's usually anywhere between 0.6mbps or 0.8mbps. Slow.

diesel828

All these people are calling apple fans "sheep" are just following the herd

metsarethe...

@Elliuotatar: Think I got a word wrong, but people are saying oh they're just using wi-fi, well if they're using wi-fi on that advert, and the old had wi-fi, then they're obviously skewing and misleading because the speed there has nothing to do with 3G.

Also why do apple use a ringtone not available on the iPhone for their advert? Are they embarrassed of the shit ones they put on there?

Onouris

Agreed. Wait I do... It pisses me off.

The phone is nowhere near as responsive as I thought it should be given the hype (and the 'lived up to hype' opinions all around).

But it was not worse than my Treo and handles its radio much better.

future-proof

MU HA HA HA!

My Blackberry on Edge is twice fast than that! Can't wait to compare this with my hipster asshole friend who bought one recently.

eismcsquare2

Ive noticed on the end of the commercials where the guy answers the phone. the photo of the caller is small, as oppose to filling up the screen with the callers photos.

aeroworks

charlatans!

wesrubix

What a waste of time. Jesus.
And Blackberry guy up there, boy, that's cool man. Wonder what your hipster asshole friend calls you. Maybe you're his "cocky dickface" friend.

nathancg

Hmmm...my service is just fine where I live. That video looks like the service is slower than my first-gen iPhone on EDGE.

ACDlite

@lilaliendog: Wow, you must be so proud of yourself. I only wish I were as cool as you. So...rebellious. It's actually turning me on.

Arrogant prick. STFU

ACDlite

@lilaliendog: Actually Windoze followers are the sheep. Razor phone purchasers are the sheep. Apple has always been cutting edge, even when they fuck up (ie: Newton, Lisa).

firetwuck

@firetwuck: Funny how you go from followers and purchasers to a company.

In any case, it's hilarious that you call Apple cutting edge. They weren't the first on the market with a personal computer, they weren't the first on the market with a laptop, they weren't first on the market with an MP3 player (flash or hard drive-based), and they weren't the first on the market with a media set-top box. I will enthusiastically agree that what they are good at is design. They took the rough products and made them nice looking and easier to use. Would I call that cutting edge? Not so sure.

And I'm pretty sure that millions of iPhone purchasers can't *all* be cutting edge. At some point, they become the sheep just by sheer numbers.

bluemonq

@VulnoX:
I know. I don't know what that guy was doing, but my phone was pretty close to the ad speeds, maybe an extra 5 seconds or so for each action, but close enough. Heck, I even got a GPS lock in under 10 seconds while *in a moving bus* in downtown San Francisco today, and Google Maps loaded up the neighborhood a few seconds before that.

Oh wait, my mistake. I have a Palm Treo 800w running Windows Mobile 6.1 with Opera Mobile 9.5 on the Sprint EVDO Rev. A network. It didn't lock up when going to the NYT page, the pre-installed PDF reader handles all sorts of PDFs fine (try this very effective test - load the California DMV Basic Driver's Handbook, scroll through some pages and run a find command for something - oh wait, I'm sorry, forgot that the iPhone doesn't let you search for things in long-ass PDFs), and the screen is just as sharp as the iPhone's. Plus, the touchscreen doesn't lag for a split second (unlike both the iPhone and the Touch Diamond).

As for your PPC-6800 aka Mogul, the reason it ran so poorly is simple and agreed upon by many: HTC was stingy with the RAM. The Treo has a somewhat slower processor but double the ram and kicks the Mogul to the curb in terms of performance.

What's my point? It's this: my anecdotal evidence is just as valid as yours. Oh, I forgot to mention that I managed to get it with the old SERO plan: $30/mo for 500 minutes, data plan, unlimited messaging, nights starting at 7pm, and my coverage is awesome because in weak Sprint areas it piggybacks on the Verizon network. What are *you* paying for partial 3G service?

bluemonq

all commercials are misleading, that's the job of ad agencies.

The point of this ad is to show that iPhone is faster than old iPhone. It is true. Take old and new and do same things. 3G is 2x as fast. So the ad is not that misleading. What it misleads is the actual speed of 3G in the commercial. They cut the frames to show more features. Safari, GPS, EMAIL and Phone.

vgart

I like the way stickies were used in the vid.
Hey, that's advertising for you. You can't believe everything you see.

judacris

"go ahead, bite the big apple, don't mind the maggots!"

couldn't help myself.

everybody lies.
everybody poops.
get over it.

godwhacker

@bluemonq: I've got a Touch Diamond and there is no touchscreen lag AT ALL. Dunno where the hell you got that from.

poedgirl

sometimes the internet is slow

deliciousburglar

First of all alot of you guys are not too smart. Just because you connect to wifi or 3g does not mean you will get the speeds they list. Your phone can only handle what the processor can and ram plays apart to all in all on a cell phone your hardware is just as important as your isp and if you connect to a wifi that is say 10Mbps you still wont get that cause the phone cant handle it, same with 2Mbps aint happening and to the guy bluemonq with sprint there is no way your hyping sprint dude they suck no one cares if you like them great but there is no way any one hear besides other sprint customers want to hear about sprint.

charger08

pissed (for waiting). Damn iPhone autocorrect.

rajivgk

I have the og iPhone and a guy saw me checking something and asked me if we could race. He just got the 3g version and had heard speeds were not that good. We both entered in espn.com and hit okay at the same time. He beat me to fully loaded page by maybe half a second. Thank god I didn't upgrade and boy was he losses for having waited 6 hrs...

rajivgk

@poedgirl: Dunno where the hell I got that from? You probably won't read this response, but hey, I'm waiting for the laundry to finish up. Now remember, I said, "split second". Let's see what other folks have to say...

Gear Diary - [www.geardiary.com]
"As I said in my Part 2 instalment, the Diamond is sluggish and unresponsive doing pretty much anything, be it using TouchFLO 3D or just opening the Start Menu. Yep, it lags doing that too."

Gear Diary wasn't the only one.

BGR - [www.boygeniusreport.com]
"If HTC hopes to turn Touch FLO 3D into the next great mobile movement, however, they're going to have to put some serious effort into improving performance. As we mentioned above, the touch screen interface often felt laggy and unresponsive."

Don't trust Boy Genius Report? Ok.

WMExperts - [wmexperts.com]
"However the slight lags in the interface combined with the fact that it's not always as useful as a full interface make it tough to recommend to power users."

Tell you what, I'll throw in one more for free.

CNET - [reviews.cnet.com]
"The Touch Diamond is sluggish and call quality is subpar. "

Heh, wasn't looking for call quality issues, but it was part of the sentence, so... that's where the hell I got it from.

I know HTC released a ROM update, which helped *some* people. Maybe you got it recently enough that the update was pre-installed; good for you. But if you were paying even a modicum of attention before, during, and right after the launch of the Touch Diamond, you would have heard about what I generously called "split second lag".

bluemonq

@charger08:
1) Nobody is disputing that. What everyone (well, most people besides YOU) is having problems with is that the Apple ad just flies through everything while supposedly on 3G; check the icon in the corner of the phone in the ad, which is showing 3G. This guy was in a 3G area with full five bars and could not replicate the speed that was shown. And if you were to believe him, he repeated this a number of times, all of which were even worse than the one presented. THAT, my eager friend, is the problem.

2) "...and to the guy bluemonq with sprint there is no way your hyping sprint dude they suck no one cares if you like them great but there is no way any one hear besides other sprint customers want to hear about sprint."

Wow. Didn't know you were psychic and didn't know that everyone else reading this page hates Sprint. The only other possibility of why you would be so opposed to even the mere mention of Spri - um, that company which you don't want to hear about is... not mentionable in polite company. In any case, I WAS replying to someone who had a phone on the Sprint network. Hey, how about that!

3) I am inclined to doubt your ability to judge whether or not people in this discussion are smart when you demonstrated that you believe "a lot" is one word; that "anyone" is two; that you mistake the homophone "hear" for "here", etc. This is not to say that I am always grammatically precise in my writings; however, I don't make assumptions about the intelligence of others.

bluemonq

i love how you fanboys try and justify how bad this is.
You don't buy beer expecting to be dry humped by models, unless you are, then you probably shouldn't be buying beer in the first place.

You dont buy HP's expecting to create and move matter in midair in your dorm room.

YOU do however upgrade from the iPhone to the iPhone 3G for its promise of speed, not a date with Kathy Griffin

Man up and face facts

mr30gZune

It's partly the consumers' fault for being "mislead" about certain products. If one doesn't do any research at all about a product they wish to purchase, they will probably end up with a piece of crap. It is very misleading to say the new iPhone is "twice as fast" when it's only the data that is "twice as fast." Then again, when have you seen a commercial/ad campaign that was 100% honest?

syosh

Too bad Opera Mini isn't available on the iPhone. It's many times faster than my phone (which is 3G, but never tops 20KB/s) than the built-in WAP browser. Opera Mini routes all your connections through Opera's server, where they take all data required for your request (images, pages, CSS, javascript, etc) and stick it into one file. They also recompress images at lower quality, compress text, and so on. Between all the saved round trips and the compressed content, it's incredibly faster.

If Safari supports proxies, you could get some of these benefits on an iPhone. Recompressing images and compressing text is doable. Putting the caching proxy closeby helps reduce (but not eliminate) some of the round-trip times.

guspaz

Nice 3G

Are you serious? 3G is so much faster where I live, you must have had poor reception or something, because there is no way that is 3G.

(I live in Salem,OR BTW)

conorkirk

IDIOTS!!!

(I would post in 1337 if that helped to get the message across any better, but fear it wouldn't)
At what point do they say "actual speed of 3G iPhone?"

All they're saying is "It is faster than before."
So, compare it to browsing/email/apps on Edge (not a real-life 3G demo), it should be roughly twice as fast. Never take advertising literally.

I moved to Europe a while ago and day-to-day web stuff isn't that much faster most of the time. Yes, it's faster, but optimal isn't always realistic. Get a grip and appreciate that it IS faster.

netherlandy

@zeroprime:

There's an episode of the Simpsons where some miracle prodcut is being advertised on TV and at the end a voice says "Product does not work" really quickly.

TurboH

When I saw that ad on TV last week I was pretty shocked. I've used my 3G iPhone all over Manhattan and never come close to speed like that.

TurboH

I was in an AT&T store in Philly, which had 3 phones on display with Wifi turned off. One was showing EDGE. I compared the one that said it was on 3G with my first gen phone, using NY Times mobile site. On three tries, mine loaded faster once, the 3G twice. In each case, the difference was about a second.

dlm12

Is it just me or does this iPhone look HUGE in the hands of this person? Do elves own iPhones?

WillisCynortas

Oh damn, here come the anti-Apple zealots nerds. Maybe try working instead of posting about products/brands you hate so much. Then maybe you could afford an iPhone you dumba$$ fanboys.

adminssuck

@WillisCynortas: You don't think they find a hand model with huge hands to make these commercials?

Tony Bullard

Yeah, but who cares because that there thing shore is purty.

Ron-Mexico

I bought a Swiffer and my mop didn't send me flowers like in the commercial, too.

zingbot

@adminssuck: You're projecting, dear; that's really unhealthy, you know. In any case, if I can pay for a loaded P1620 in cash, I'm pretty sure that my beef with the iPhone isn't the price. Pretty sure anti-Apple zealots don't buy MacBooks, either.

I find your comment more amusing when you consider that most of the people I know complained about the $400 price tag of the original iPhone and bought the iPhone 3G when over the subscription they'll end up paying more, especially the ones that don't live in 3G coverage areas. Get it now, pay for it later. Yep, that's the American way.

bluemonq

@lilaliendog: So...that would you the anti-sheep.

In essence you are allowing Apple to exercise negative influence over you. Apple can make you go left by simply steering right.

misterwho

Mine is about 3 times faster than the irl one testing right now.

th4tkid

omg exaggeration in advertising. This is the first time I've ever heard of this concept.

robpruitt