YAWN

If Apple have actually pulled a feature that no one who has signed the SDK can talk about then good for Apple. That means they are actually putting some quality control back into the system.

rattyuk

Unlike all the other SDK features, push notifications requires Apple's servers to be ready and functional before ANY testing can be done. No reason for it to be present in the SDK if they are actively working on the server technology.

dagamer34

Apple can't make anything perfect, but at least others come VERY close like RIM in my opinion.

I had the iPhone & iPhone 3G, so I'm not bashing off of no experience.

Derek Devine

@nosebleed:

I've never used aim on a sidekick, but I have no complaints with the iPhone version- I actually love it.

MMS, well true.

michaelwiggins

We've also learned what its like to wait a full year to get an SDK, and what it's like to wait 6 months for said SDK when most "inside sources" claimed it would be released in February -.-

michaelwiggins

it's a sad sorry state of affairs that the T-Mobile sidekick still has a better AIM application, and MMS than either generation of the iPhone.

hey apple spies - get on that.

nosebleed

@NeoXY: Thats what I'm thinking. Since 2.0 hit, it's been disastrous....

CutePuppyz

Can they update the iPhone's cell radio via one of these firmware updates? Wondering if they'll do anything about my dropped calls...

ZombieFlanders

wow..the new iPhone software is really in shambles isn't it...

thats a shame

NeoXY

You've GOT to be kidding me...

PC+Mac Coexist

Yeah take your time Apple, but get it done and done right with push notification. Meanwhile I'll play with the coolest stuff that continues to show up at the App store.

Ken_Darrow

So Giz, you seem to be post a lot of stuff thats fucked up with the iphone 3g, and considering you're a usually "pro-mac" blog... does this mean the 3G is a piece of crap and I shouldn't get one?? Matt or any commenters, give me your thoughts

Shub-Niggurath

Wow, kinda sad to see this. Odd seeing Apple go backwards, but if its for the better, then I'm all for it. I turned off Push anyway on my Touch cause 1, it kills my baattery and 2, if I get a message i dont want the sound going off during class. But good for the AIM. I wish AIM would add landscape typing.

goaliegeek

I still haven't upgraded to 2.1 (lazyness) but I think I might just skip over to 2.2 if thats when the push notifications are gonna be included.

gamecrazychris

Wait. Why do my pushes have to go thru Apple? Why can't I set it up with my iPhone to go thru my own push server once they have it developed?

SMSDHubbard

@smsdhubbard

Er, because it means the phone only has to make ONE connection for ALL the data.

dipstick

rattyuk

@rattyuk: Because, Apple's entire business model is predicated on complete control of a platform. (e.g. iPhone, App Store, OSX and hardware)

@SMSDHubbard: See above reason, dipstick.

soggy_cheerio

I'd rather get a good phone instead.

Waka in Japan

I have owned every smartphone practically in existence Blackberry, HTC, Palm, Prada everything. The 3G iPhone is the best phone I have owned. Just needs a 5MP lens and a few tweaks and its next to perfect. Trust me-if you dont own this phone then you are a fool!

mplsboywonder

hope they got they hep shots

johnthevulcan

my iphone software has never given me an issue. i dont get dropped calls even though i live in a 3 bar max area.. for those of you who havent bought one... shut up... for those of you who have and honestly dont like it... use it more!!! and exactly who are they RIMming?

johnthevulcan

apple release something too early, everyone complains

apple delays something to make it better, everyone complains

No way to win is there? Oh right, work a lot faster and never make mistakes

Glaiel-Gamer

@gamecrazychris:

Do you mean because you're a developer?

iPhone released firmware is at 2.0.1 right now.

OGHowie

Wow, Apple are really lost here.

"Push" have been working just fine for at least 5 years for all other manufacturers. Just re-use what's already out there and concentrate on the other obvious problems I and others experince on 3G iPhone (stereo bluetooth, MMS and decent 3G service, anyone?)

Cyber_Dude

I am always surprised by some of the comments you find on here. The iPhone software is a disaster? What the hell? So they delay putting a service in a beta release (nobody said anything about it noting being in 2.1 final) to improve quality, and its a disaster? You need to look up the definition of that word and maybe get some perspective.

The iPhone OS is still a lot better than any other smartphone OS in use, at least in the United States. I have not restarted my 3G in... weeks... I think. I generally restarted my HTC Titan every damn day due to memory leaks or it restarting itself.

I love Windows XP, am generally ok with Windows Vista (at least its current, post-SP1 form), and have 0 Apple hardware besides the iPhone, but I have to say, if you want a disaster, just look at Windows Mobile.

VulnoX

@Cyber_Dude: Totally agree. Also, not like they can't hire some pin heads to add in an mms app and stereo bluetooth. Hell, I had mms on my 1.1.4 firmware from some "guy" with installer app. and the stacks for 2 way communication on bluetooth were removed by apple. Control freaks scare me.

aeroworks

Some of you need to read the article. This is not Apple removing any feature from any iPhones in the field-- no one is going to have their current push mail stop working. This is just the IM push service for applications like AIM and Palringo, and it's only being removed from the beta of 2.1-- which is currently in testing. Others of you need to polish up on what the current firmware is-- it's 2.0.1, not 2.1 or anything else.

Yes, the iPhone 2.0 software has been a disaster, yes the phones aren't working as Apple would have hoped. But that's no reason to confuse the issue with FUD. Enough needs to be fixed as is, without both the flamers and the apologists whining all the time.

wild homes loves you but chooses darkness!

@goaliegeek:
i agree with you. AIM does need to add landscape typing becuase im always messing up cause the letters are to close for when im typing fast

halfpastme

@SMSDHubbard: @rattyuk:

your data connection does NOT go through apple. it goes through your cell phone service provider.

did you actually think that when you're browsing a web page or using google maps or getting email that the data is going through apple?

apple wants to control everything to be sure that the user experience on the iPhone is always good. you can agree with that philosophy or not just as you can buy an iPhone or not.

i bought one the new 3G a couple of weeks ago and it has surpassed my expectations by far. i've had symbians, palms, and blackberries, but the iPhone "just works." it is so simple to set up and use that it verges on the point of being boring.

HoseHead

Hey, Apple.

Fix the iPhone before adding crap to it.

aaj111

@NeoXY: "wow..the new iPhone software is really in shambles isn't it..."

Hyperbole much?

Dancing Milkcarton

I thought the whole idea of Apple was the closed system allowed them to make products for specific hardware that 'just works'.

My only experience with Apple is iTunes for Windows and personally I think its a piece of crap...but I've always chalked that up to Apple having to work outside of their core competency of closed systems. However, the issues they seem to be having with quality control and software implementation does nothing to attract me to their systems...where I'm reliant on them fixing things intead of 3rd parties like in more open systems.

Kspraydad

I'm actually hoping this is good news. I'd rather they put off the push notification implementation until they get the firmware stable enough to actually use. ie, I just tried to comment from the phone and after taking forever to register each letter I typed, I watched my letters "catch up" for literally 8-10 seconds, then, when they finally caught up, safari crashed.

It sounds like maybe they are taking out a major implementation (background push) to get us an improved firmware sooner rather than later - hopefully this month, and then they can add in push notification for the 2.2 firmware that they may still release in September.

Everyone who owns the phone (and most who don't lol) knows they have some core problems to fix before they start messing with push notifications. Hell, there are people who literally can't sync or really use their phones due to the apple logo of death and disappearing media problems.

Anyway, I took this news to mean "Push notification isn't ready yet, but there are so many other updates we need to get out, we are going to finalize a firmware revision without push notification in it such that we can get you a firmware sooner. Push notification will come at a later date (which very well may still be in September)."

pj_rage

It might be back to Tmobile for me - but not for the sidekick (again), it will be for the gPhone, and Android. I just hope goog/tmo dosnt suffer the same fate as apple with their screwy software.

Stacky Botrus

Your only experience with Apple is iTunes? You use iTunes without an iPod? How odd.

SlinkyDink

Not to be annoying or what not, but it should be pointed out this has nothing to do with Push via Exchange or MobileMe (IE, contacts, calendar, email) - but rather Push for notifications for AIM and other applications. Something that will become -very- useful. And like others have said, not point in having the code in if it can't connect to a server.

That being said, I will be sorely annoyed (which doesn't amount to much I suppose) if it isn't in the september release.

shockwaver

i would have no need for MMS if people without mobile email would stop sending me MMS messages. Actually, now that i think about it, if AT&T would revamp that stupid archaic thumbnail page for iPhone users to access MMS messages i would have zero complaints about the lack of MMS.

leemajors

@soggy_cheerio: Suck much?

eismcsquare2

Bashing beta!!!? It's hard to believe people are still so deathly scared of Apple they've got to spew hate every chance they get.

Well, maybe they're on to something...

Alienbones

Solution: Allow true multitasking of applications.

Dont think it will ever happen because people would forget to close applications and the device would slow to a crawl when it ran out of RAM. It would also kill the battery faster.

Aturayd

@leemajors: This seems stupid, but I used to send photos from my phone to my email address in an MMS. AT&T would put it together for me and slap an ad at the bottom, but it made it through. I see no reason people couldn't just send their MMS messages to an email address.

In the meantime, as much as I think they should just let the Jailbreak world design this for them, I'll wait for it to get my AIM pushing messages...

The Amazing Ant

@NeoXY: I think saying the iphone software is in "shambles" and that is "disastrous" is a little much, no?

would you prefer to go back to windows mobile? yeah, didn't think so.

MrBlahBlah

@eismcsquare2: No, I just have a close enough relationship with my wallet to be able to tell when someone is trying to separate me from my money.

soggy_cheerio

@SlinkyDink: As a matter of FACT I don't have an iPod. I use iTunes as it is the easiest way to get the podcasts I'm interested in.

It's slow. It crashes. It updates and tries to push Safari (let alone Quicktime) on me.

My MP3 players are SD card based where I can drop and go with my music and podcasts. Don't need or want a 'manager' for such a simple thing.

Kspraydad

IDIOTS: It's not Push service for email/contacts/etc.. its the Push notification system for background alerts for apps like AIM.

formz