"And Steve Speaks Again"

That seems to be half the problem!

JEmlay

I just want my iphone to run as smooth as it ran with 1.1.4

snitch29

Hosticka is a cool last name.

My iphone works fine.

Marcelo

Everything is working fine for me. Maybe a silly app game will crash. Just restart the iPhone and all is well again. Some of these apps are just memory leaks happy.

Ken_Darrow

@fussnfeathers: Do you use Vista? iTunes is known to be terrible on Vista.

takashimiike 3G edition

iTunes 7.7 has been a buggy release from the outset. For example, it won't stay closed. Exit the program, wait a minute or so, often less, and it'll open itself back up again. This may only happen once, or it may happen a dozen times, until you finally give up and leave it running.

Steve, fix iTunes!!! FAST!!!

fussnfeathers

@Ken_Darrow:
"Just restart the iPhone and all is well again."

Says who? That's when we get nothing but the white apple logo and nothing else. End Game.

JEmlay

Ya know...these iPhone issues are quickly determining what device will replace my aging 8525. Either going for the Tilt or waiting on the Touch Pro.

WM benefits over iPhone:
1. Can get apps w/o the store...and w/o jailbreaking the phone.
2. Has far more apps to choose from.
3. Can be tethered to your laptop for internet (over the data network...not the voice network as a modem.)
4. Has a freaking Slingbox client! (iPhone version still in development)
5. Has separate QWERTY keyboard.
6. Finally, is based on a mature platform!
7. Oh yeah...No Apple Kill Switch!

I can't believe I was considering changing to an iPhone. Maybe the 4th gen iPhone will be ready for prime time. The 2nd gen one certainly isn't.

smegz

@smegz:

Having used several WM phones, I still prefer the iPhone by a long shot. No version of WM has ever been more stable than the iPhone(Not necessarily less stable, but you know WM has it's fair share of lockups and malfunctions.) So I'm not sure what you mean by mature, maybe rotten? I do admit, I jailbreak my phone. It's really no different from a Windows Mobile user editing the registry or installing system customization utilities on WM. So on top of having every feature of WM, it does them all better. I'll grant that a separate keyboard is a personal preference. Frankly I prefer a phone that is both thinner AND has a much larger screen than any querty phone. So there.

sonicwinder

@smegz: Can you document where that kill switch has actually been used?

Xavoc

Downgrading to 7.7 didn't work but moving to 7.7 on a fairly clean iTunes library did. I'm convinced it's something to do with iTunes and reverting/cleaning iTunes is the way to go.

LisaDe

@sonicwinder: Sorry, but your fanboi is showing: Jailbreaking your iPhone is totally different than editing the registry. The registry edits and utility installs don't involve voiding support for your device, or risking bricking it entirely. On a base WinMob device you can get much closer to the metal if you so desire, while there is no way you're doing that on a base (non jailbroken) iPhone. Can you access the filesystem? How about granular control of running processes? How about just being able to shut down a single errant app? No? How about that there is much crashiness in the Apple-produced apps, not just the 3rd party ones? Everyone complains that it's "convoluted" to do in WinMob, but at least you can do it. My old HTC 6700 is much more stable than my iPhone, even though the iPhone is vanilla, and the 6700 has been somewhat hacked. I totally love the iPhone, but I'm not going to be self-delusioned that it's a perfect device....

Mandatory_Field

I realize that people have had issues with the iPhone and app crashing and 3g reception. Luckily mine has worked great. The only app crashing that has occured for me is Safari and it only does that when I make it angry. Hopefully all the issues get worked out. Lots of negative press for the iPhone right now.

joefuu

This is complete BS. I've had the app crash problem for quite some time now, and I'm only using 2.0.0 with iTunes 7.7.
Other than the apps crashing, my iPhone won't transfer new programs from iTunes along with similar problems.
So yeah... that sucks...

VirreVojj

"Oh iPhone, what i am i gonna do with you!
Ah c'mere, i can never stay made at you..."

:/

General Halfshaftery

@sonicwinder:
Jailbreaking terminates support for your phone. Editing the registry does not. Try again.

JEmlay

"Can you access the filesystem? How about granular control of running processes? How about just being able to shut down a single errant app? No? How about that there is much crashiness in the Apple-produced apps, not just the 3rd party ones?"

Why would you have to do any of that on any phone (or an iphone)? I dont even know what apps crash (I mean, safari locks up once in a while, but hey, its a phone).

What mission critical apps does WM6 have the iphone doesnt? Don't mention email security or something, since I know it doesnt play nice with all that yet. (I am being serious here, not trying to be sarcastic fanboy or something)

basically, I use mine for work/life and havent had a single problem nor app I wish I had since the app store came out, and I'm just curious as to what other people consider problems..I mean, cut and paste or video never decided my workday.

redkamel

I down graded my iTunes to 7.7, and I'm in middle of resetting my iPhone.

iaintgoingthere

@takashimiike

I run XP Pro, you couldn't jam Vista down my throat if you threatened to kill me. Used it, hated it.

fussnfeathers

the last email purportedly from SJ said the fixes were coming "this month".

mcdj

The rest of the email went like this: "You're a RETARD!!!"

heroineworshipper

I just never upgraded itunes(or my iphone) so I guess I'm safe.

gamecrazychris

Mine is the point where I have to delete and reinstall apps to get them to run. Too bad I can't delete Safari and reinstall. Mine is jailbroke, so it may have been related, but I doubt it since the apps work after reinstalling.

ClutchDude

@Mandatory_Field: Actually, you can force apps to quit. Hold the home key until it closes.

Still lovin' my 1st-gen iPhone!

The Amazing Ant

@Mandatory_Field, JEmlay:

Actually, Jailbreaking doesn't void your warranty. Unlocking voids your warranty. The two are completely different.

With Jailbreaking, the iPhone is better and more stable than my WM device. Without Jailbreaking, it's just more stable. The only apps I miss are the Microsoft ones like the mobile Office applications and Reader, which was a perfect eBook reader (if you ignore all the bugs and crashes). Other than that, my iPod Touch has completely taken its place, and then some. Installing programs is easier, I can browse the filesystem, ssh over wifi, sftp over wifi, VNC, use it as a customizable trackpad for my computer, access my computer's webcam, stream my entire music library from my computer, control my computer's music player, etc. All for free, and much more efficiently and quickly than on my WM device.

It's not fanboi-ism. I've got both devices, I like both devices. I have taken both of them to their extreme limits. I like the iThing better. Simple as that.

mediaphile

@JEmlay: I agree that's the new dreaded White Apple screen of death!

rjbuddyboi

well I have had my 3g phone since it was release and experienced my very first problems with it. While updating an app, specifically box office I had my first crash(continuous apple logo) which is fixed by doing the holding home and sleep button, then hold home and plug into itunes. Then I did the restore and downgraded to itunes 7.7. Then I again it crashed again. Sigh I wish they'd hurry up and fix this problem.

Cableguy44

@mediaphile:
I didn't say warranty. If ATT finds unauthorized apps on your phone, they will terminate support.

As for your experience with other devices, I support MANY handheld devices and my findings are the complete opposite of yours. "Simple as that."

iPhone Ownership = Technology ignorant Perl BB owning wife laughing at tech geek with constant broken iPhone.

Since it takes TWO HOURS and FORTY MINUTES to perform a restore that you have to do TWO OR THREE times just to get the phone to work from ONE LOCKUP....yeah, I'm down quit often.

As usual, this didn't start happening until AFTER the 30 days. iPhone = BIG JOKE on ATT customers.

JEmlay

I'm not getting all these issues that everyone is claiming to have with the latest updates. Apps rarely crash on me. Maybe once or twice a week. Is it a windows problem? Syncing with vista messes up the app?

How many mac users and how many vista owners have these issues??

smackswell

@fussnfeathers: I don't have that problem at all and I'm using a Mac. Is it doing it on PC's or something?

Lots of bugs for the iPhone as of late. As long as they're aware and fixing them, that's important.

kylo4

@JEmlay: AT&T has nothing to do with the apps that run on your phone, nor are they support for the phone. Support of the device is done through Apple. Support for the service is done through AT&T. Apple would only refuse support if the device was unlocked because it violates their contract with AT&T. Jailbreaking, from personal experience, does not violate the warranty and they will service a jailbroken device.

Maybe it's different on the iPod Touch, but my restores definitely do not take 2:45 hours, and my device has nine full pages of apps. And when I restore (which I have only ever had to do to jailbreak), I restore only once, and it works. Perhaps your specific handset is faulty, or maybe the new iPhones aren't as good as the old iPod Touches.

@smackswell: I rarely have an app crash, and when I do, a reboot usually fixes the problem. And I have pretty much every form of app: both free and paid through the app store, apps from cydia, apps from installer, and cracked pay apps (shh, don't tell anyone). Since the 2.0.1 update, I rarely have any problems.

mediaphile

My Discovery Channel game thats a replica of Scorched Earth crashes all the time. It wont even start without a reboot.

Joseph

I think LG and Nokia and all the other cell phone manufacturers should get together and do a series of parody ads in the style of the Hodgemen/Long ads. You could have one actor say "Hi, I'm an iPhone" and the other one coud say "and I'm EVERY SINGLE OTHER PHONE ON THE PLANET" and then the iPhone actor could grab his chest in pain and fall to the floor.

Maybe iPhone could be played by Amy Winehouse...

Cupajo

@mediaphile:
You are wrong bud. ATT has serviced everything about this phone for me so far. I'm on my second phone and they both did the same thing. I specificly asked them about jailbreaking it and they told me exactly what I posted here. I asked because apps specificly through iTunes seems to be the biggest problem.

JEmlay

I don't understand how downgrading iTunes would have any effect on the iPhone - it's not like the two communicate in any way when the phone's not cabled to the PC. This sounds like hooey to me.

Oh, and count me among those people increasingly frustrated with the bugs and crashes. My 3G seems awfully wonky for someone living in the middle of New York, apps on my phone crash all the time, and my phone has crashed a couple of times as well. It seems worse since the last update.

weatherman

at&t sucks ass. I still can't believe Stevie went with these a-holes. Why couldn't he invest some of that windfall cash and make an APPLE cellular service that actually works, everywhere? that'd be badass, and ultimately would profit far far more.

banmojo

Blah.

No issues here with the original iPhone-- has anyone reported issues with app. crashing with the 2.5/original/1.0/aluminum iPhone?

I sense the overwhelmingly useless and OT fanboi postings will diminish soon with the start of school. Good bye, fare thee well on your path to education, and the ability to suppress your need to post flame-inciting drivel.

iomatic

My iPhone 3G hasn't been problem free, but overall it is stable, doesn't drop calls, and doesn't experience the rash of app crashing others report.

What caught my eye in this post was that the Jobs letter said it would be fixed in a month or two. On the one hand, a month or two is not very long, but then it dawned on me that many people (myself included) tend to upgrade their phone, even great ones like the iPhone, once a year or so (gotta have the latest/greatest). With that in mind, given problems by some for the last month, and another two months forecast to fix, that means that 25% of the phone's lifetime will have been in a trouble state. I can see where many would find that to be NOT acceptable.

distortedloop

Well, it looks like the iTunes was the culprit. I was up till 3 in the morning reinstall iTunes 7.7, resetting the iPhone, and installing apps. It's been running fine for 12 hours. Although several applications crashed during the launch, all my iTunes contents were untouched. I hope I don't have to restore my iphone ever again.
I've restored my iPhone 12 times, before down grading to7.7.

iaintgoingthere

Glad I didn't upgrade out of 7.7 then! I haven't had any problems with my 20+ apps.

diesel828

I've never had a crash or iPhone problem of any kind, but I've also only had one for a few days. But some of these comments make it sound like apps are crashing every few minutes.

falandil

DAMN IT!!!!!!!

It just crashed AGAIN!!!! All I did was go into the app store and BAM!!!! Frozen. Turn it off, turn it on and nothing but the STUPID ASS white apple logo.

What pisses me off even more is I SPECIFICALLY made a backup LAST NIGHT. Yet the only backups shown in iTunes is one with NO DATE, just my iPhones name from July. Two other updates the newest being from 8/14.....

FUCK!!!! What the hell is this GARBAGE!?!?!?!?!

The iPhone is such a BROKEN POS!!!

Plus, the downgrade DID NOT WORK!!!! Obviously!

JEmlay

Screw it, I'm returning my iPhone on Monday. The Xperia X1 looks promising...

Cyber_Dude

@fussnfeathers: Very true. This happens to me all the time. It annoys the crap out of me! I try to shut my computer off, and I can't because iTunes keeps opening up after I close it.

HollywoodLeo

@redkamel: Why would you want all of those things? Because it would mean that you had fully pre-emptive multitasking. Meaning that you would decide which apps ran foreground and which background; with the added responsibility of having to do some memory management.

Mandatory_Field

@mediaphile: Yes, I really miss the Office apps, and also especially the reader. I have hundreds of books in Reader format. That alone means that I will continue to use the 6700 as a PDA. I do love the iPhone, though, warts and all. I may have to look into jailbreaking.

Mandatory_Field

I am experiencing a problem with updating any app through the iPhone. If I update on of the apps the Apple logo screen of death appears and I have o restore my device which takes hours. What a pain. I am using the 1st gen iPhone and firmware 2.0.2. To update an app I must delete and reinstall it. Other than this issue all is well! Still suck!

ntrubic

I have an App Store application crashing problem fix posted over at http://www.helpmeswitch.com (including video). This fix seems to last several days, only takes a few minutes to do from your device, and does not require a restore or iTunes syncing. I have confirmed that it works on 2.0, 2.0.1, and now the 2.0.2 frameworks. Submitted the details to Gizmodo, Engadget and Digg, but nobody seemed to care... My simple approach is a heck of a lot easier and faster than what this article tells you to do. Check it out, give it a try, and post a comment if it works for you, too.

LylePaetus

@VirreVojj:

it's not just the apps crashing. that unfortunately happens all the time.

the complete set of symptoms fixed by the downgrade are:

non-apple apps fail to launch, and all media disappears form reference in the ipod application (even though it is there). it's when those two things show up together that you know you're likely in for a D-Grade.

phos76

@ VirreVojj

it's not just that apps crash. that's one part of a bigger syndrome. the complete syndrome is that all non-apple app-store apps FAIL TO LAUNCH (not just crash), and that media that is definitely on your phone does not appear in the ipod application. this problem is made up of those two features.

apps crashing on their own may or may not be repairable according to the downgrade. but those two things together definitely are.

phos76

@Mandatory_Field:

I don't think many are "self-delusioned" that it's a perfect device. I know from my experience I've stopped complaining, I'm just asking to get back to the stableness of 1.1.4.

Oh, and hold down the home button for around 5 seconds to shut down a single errant app. ;)

cool_cars

I just ordered an iphone. I hope whenever I get it , the bugs are fixed.

Scottishchick55

aw well

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