or, you could hook a giant pez dispenser on yer belt to hold yer ammo mags.

thug life.

se.blackheart

That guy is hardcore. In a pussy kind of way.

e-friend

@DisposableInterloper: It depends on the zombies, if your talkin typical movie zombies where each body part can function on its own (such as shoot off a head and the body keeps goin) then yes full auto shotgun all the way but if you goin after I am Legend type zombies (if you want to call them that) Dr. Neville's M4 (for those who don't know its an assault rifle based off the M16) fared quite nicely although another good weapon of his was his Ford Explorer...

ab3

Ehh, seems like they're just adding yet another unnecessary point of failure. When I reload, I don't want to risk one of my magazines getting jammed/stuck in my over-engineered mag pouch. I also don't want to reach down and find that my last two magazines have fallen out of said pouch somewhere along the way. It's not like the ones designed for our magazines now are difficult to manipulate.

Griffehpoo

now I can empty a clip of clips.

foe1one

looks like it would be much faster than opening the individual pockets, and then fishing out the mag.

RG_Shrike

A magazine magazine. Maybe the armory even has a magazine magazine magazine. I'm sure Major Major Major would approve.

Wait, the "F" in "FAST" stands for "fast"? Its all just so... meta.

Thud

You also don't have to reposition your hand on the magazine in order to put it in the rifle.

SLUSHIE

@newgalactic:

I think the main idea is that the magazine is in the same spot every time, so you don't need took or sped extra time feeling around for where one is.

After you quickly go through the 3 that it can hold though your left to doing it the old way.

SLUSHIE

Oh that's silly. Everyone knows shotguns, preferably fully automatic shotguns, kill zombies. Assault rifles are a distant second, in the event that you can't get ahold of a shotgun.

Reason? You have to blow them to pieces to stop them. Shots tear them apart, whereas rounds go right through their mushy, rotting tissue. Even heavy caliber sniper rifles are barely sufficient for the job, as shooting zombies is like shooting gelatinized mashed potatoes tacked onto bones.

I'd also like to note that zombies are not slow and they don't swarm. They run in wolf-like packs that make up larger, more generally coordinated meta-packs. They have vicious screams, roars, and hisses, which they use to corral people before lunging at them from mind-blowing distances with superhuman speed and strength.

DisposableInterloper

How much faster can this be compared to a tactical vest or suit that already has slots for 3 or 6 magazines...

neko613

"Got some rare things on sale, stranger. What're you buying?"

and also, more weight for troops. well, they can always use that exoskeleton.

Ariel_Wollinger

Why not just a bunch of magazine shaped pouches? They're simple and cheap.

newgalactic

zombies = iraqis?

Ariel_Wollinger

gotta add that to the list of gear i need for the zombocolypse

Why would you use an M16 during a zombie invasion. If you figure that the problem is likely going to spread and constantly grow out of control until a balance point is used, you'll be out of ammo before that point and they don't carry it at the local Walmart.

I'll stick with my trusty .22 pistol and 9mm. .22 ammo is plentiful and perfectly fine for capping skulls. 9mm is pretty much a world standard, so you can find ammo for it anywhere. Heck, there's more ammo out there for the AK47 than the M16...

Xavoc

lol @ the guy with handgun. He just had to get that las kill shot in, point blank. "This is what i call getting your gun off!!" ^_^

As for the invention, its quite convinient but i cant see it getting any space amongst the current gear soldiers already carry, including all the new tech gear. Might aswell just make a belt consisting of magazines that you just slide off.
Anyway, i'm sure some militia dudes in far away countries will love it.

@se.blackheart: Tupac always looked so masculine with that big, frilly bow on his head.

markarian

@Xavoc: .223 Remington can be safely used interchangably with 5.56x45mm NATO, and is just as widespread as .22 ammunition, being a popular varmint hunting rifle caliber.

Griffehpoo

Can I get one for my Saiga-12? I already have six Russian eight-round magazines... >:^)----^=====

@DisposableInterloper: Today, you receive an education on hollowpoints.

I could be wrong, but I'm of the understanding that removing or destroying the head is all the necessary to stop a zombie. If that's so, then a hollowpoint in a well-chosen intermediate or high-powered caliber through the cranium ought to sufficient. The advantage of a hollowpoint over a shotgun is that the maximum effective range is much higher. An M4 would get you out to at least 100 yards, and an M16 or equivalent could be effective beyond that, especially with a scope. Something like an M14 or SCAR-H would let you reach out at touch the shambling undead menace from an even more comfortable distance.

In addition to range and precision, there is the amount ammunition you can carry to consider as well. Another win for the rifle.

tl;dr: as long as you're not engaging zombies in close quarters, a rifle is probably a superior weapon to a shotgun.

Canthros

Zombie Survival Guide suggests the M1 Carbine. Also, a machete never runs out of bullets. :D

People can reload faster than this thing.

I would rather have that weight for my lobo* and extra ammo.
I can see that thing being used by soldier wannabees and competition shooting. No, I do not know any competition shooting that requires high speed loading after shooting a 30 round magazine but who knows.

I can't see the point in using it in real combat.
If you use 30 rounds from a magazine and your life depends on the extra half a second it takes to reload from a pouch stored magazine you are certainly doing something wrong.

*see World War Z

nospamsam

This really offers no advantage over practicing with your regular magazine pouches, and only introduce potential failures into the system. When they showed Nancy prancing around with his nifty bodifty automatic magazine pouch next to the other shooter who was swapping out magazines the old fashioned way, one thing to pay attention to is that the other shooter is left handed. The magazine release on the M-16 is positioned at just about full extension for the right index finger, so this guy had to release the magazine out of the well, then reach for another magazine. I have 5 bucks that says I can beat Sally and his magazine magazine with good old fashioned mag pouches. And as far as fishing around with several pouches, that's where practice comes in.

Yarrr

I'm waiting for the magazine magazine magazine myself.

mikeklein

So, when can I get a magazine for all of my magazine magazines?

smartboydan

@Thud: Does that make it "omnemonomatopeia"?

yelraf

@Canthros:
Oh, I know about hollow point ammo. As I've noted before, however, their flesh is mushy. It might not even be enough to make the round mushroom on impact. The idea with a shotgun is to slough off enough undead flesh that the zombies won't move anymore, and that's a lot of flesh to slough off, because even a strand of nondescript zombie flesh connecting two parts of a limb is enough to give that limb function. You'd have to be a pretty damn good shot if you're using a rifle, since for that to be effective, you'd have to hit bone.

As for removing the head, that would keep the zombie from eating your brains. It could still well attack you without a head. If you want to stop it, you need to blow apart its torso, and preferably blow apart its head and limbs too, so its fellow zombies cannot cannibalize it and repair their own wounds.

@ab3:
I Am Legend is about vampire people that kinda-sorta act like rabid nocturnal wolverines. If we use the book as a source, then there are a portion of afflicted people that have their minds intact and build their own little society. That further points to them being anything but zombies.

For true, darkness-worshiping, virgin-hunting, blood-sucking vampires, you'd want crossbow bolts tapered such that they could function as stakes, made of olive wood soaked in the holy waters of Jerusalem and tipped with the gold of a proper Catholic tabernacle, or made of rosewood fetched out of a bonfire during Holi and covered with silver leaf. Other stakes work as well, but the raw holy qualities of the aforementioned stakes would be enough to subdue a vampire even without a clean shot through the heart. This is especially true if you happen to be a dhampir, which gives you a +30 Vampire Slaying racial bonus.

But I digress.

DisposableInterloper

Who the hell wants to use the M16A2?
Even when I was in the Army (2001 to 2005) I hated the damn thing. And so did everyone else.

ヨシダさん 25

@Canthros: Well that was informative, thank you.

Bah, even if you have hollow points, .556 is useless against zombies. Remember, zombies are relentless but slow and the point is to remove the head from the torso. What I feel the perfect anti-zombie armory would include is the Mossberg Cruiser 12 gauge pump action shotgun for all around zombie stopping action. Compact and handy, buckshot or deer slug, this is the piece to pack. Next is a hefty pair of .45 caliber M-1911 pistols with the aforementioned hollow points to knock chunks out of zombie skulls if the shotgun is out of action. A high-powered 30.06 chambered rifle with scope is good for longer ranged zombie sniping. When all else fails you need a good, heavy swinging melee weapon. I've settled on an 8lb wood cutting maul for knock-back and cutting power. The last ditch emergency weapon is, of course, the Stanley 36" wrecking bar-enough heft to buy those few crucial seconds for escape from the voracious zombie hordes.

@mightybob: Although that may be true with respect to combloc calibers like 7.62x39mm and 5.45x39mm, or possibly even 7.62x54R, the major NATO chamberings (9x19mm, 5.56x45mm, 7.62x51mm) all have closely related and popular civilian cartridges (.223 Remington, .308 Winchester) or are available pretty much as-is (9x19mm), at least in the USA. The NATO loadings are often a bit stiffer than the civilian loadings, but you wouldn't be looking at NATO FMJ at that point. Although .308 Winchester and .223 Remington are not identical to their military counterparts, the chamberings are such that a weapon chambered for the military cartridge can safely fire the civilian cartridge.

I know that my local Wal-Marts all carry .308 and .223, though I couldn't tell you anything about the specific loadings--I haven't had a reason to go shopping for rifle ammunition.

I want to say that 5.56 hollowpoints are used by at least some police units, because they reduce the distance traveled by errant rounds in an urban environment, where overpenetration is a serious concern.

And there are plenty of other cartridges that might be superior to 5.56NATO and 7.62NATO depending on your preferred application. For instance, 6.5 Grendel looks really good on paper: range and velocity comparable to 7.62NATO, with a heavier bullet and comparable recoil to the 5.56. In particular, hunting cartridges will probably be hollowpoints, simply because it tends to reduce the likelihood that your deer takes off to bleed out a mile and half away. Similarly, pistol cartridges will probably be available in a self-defense loading that uses a hollowpoint of some description. I don't think Wal-Mart carries .357 Magnum any other way, actually.

Interesting wrinkle about the Hague Convention: because the Hague Convention applies to soldiers in war zones, US MPs in the US are apparently issued hollowpoint ammunition for their sidearms. When deployed overseas, however, they have to use FMJ.

TL;DR: Most popular cartridges are likely to have a hollowpoint loading or two easily available to civilians in the US, if not necessarily around the world.

Unrelated: what's with the reply button not stocking the poster's name on an intermittent basis?

Canthros

Lets see you walk that slow when somebody is shooting back at you...

Shai

That's pretty cool. I've got a Blackhawk vest in my closet with 6 30rd mags for an AR-15 and 4 1911 mags. This seems much better. This is one of my checked bags for my last vacation:

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Shai

@: correction, people with training in the old way can reload faster then this thing. give someone a few years using only this and the might be alot faster.

@Canthros: I dont know if you can get every type of ammo in hallow point, especially the military varity. It might have something to do with the Hague Convention of 1899 prohibiting the use of easly flattening or expanding bullets in warefare. you could get small civilian rounds easy, but nothing nato.

We heard you like ammo, so we made a magazine for your magazine so you can reload while you reload.

Pi-face

is it really necessary to have bullets in the magazine for the instructional video?

enchantedgoose

wait. i think you did that on purpose. i just finished reading it

enchantedgoose

"a army size" come on were not in third grade anymore. "AN army size"

enchantedgoose

Don't drop your magazine. Magazine retention is important, which is why on the Marine Corps KD qualification ranges they require you attempt to retain the mag during magazine changes in the rapid fire. You probably only have 6 with you, max. If you drop one while on the move, the odds that you will EVER get it back are slim.

This invention does nothing useful. It stores 3 magazines. My magazine pouches store 3 magazines each. Also, it's flipping huge for what it is. Also, if you are in the prone position, this would be completely useless, as a right-handed shooter in the prone, engaging at at any real distance, is using their left arm to provide the stability for the rifle. If you are aiming at a target, and you move your left arm, you've just lost your natural point of aim. With discipline, a magazine change in the prone can be conducted without going off target at all.

Paul

AA-12 For Zombie slaying please.

+ Watch video

@DisposableInterloper: If your zobies don't need their heads and can eat other zombies for sustenance, you may as well dust off and nuke the site from orbit. You're not getting out of that situation with a shotgun or anything.

In less dire situations, a rifle allows you to engage at range, with precision. And, if you're not convinced about mushrooming, if the zombie's head is still even remotely structurally sound, there's still most of a skull in there. The bullet should mushroom nicely when it hits bone, and the ensuing mess should be a lot like what happens when you pop a gallon jug of water down at the gun range.

Canthros

so nice to know there are so many zombie killing experts, lets just hope when the time comes you dont screw up.

@Thud:
It's not the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. Back when I was in jr. high, we had the main school, and the VB building. VB stands for "vocational building", so it was the "vocational building building". Same thing with all those PIN numbers you remember (Personal Identification Number number). Or the CAT Test (California Achievement Test Test). At least the SAT and ACT never seem to be followed by the word "test"...

Purple Dave

@newgalactic:
I think the idea is that the magazine is always in the same spot, and you don't have to go digging for the last one. Also, these are probably (hopefully) less likely to fall out as you're running and diving for cover.

@neko613:
Check the amount of gear that guy has strapped to his chest. Modern soldiers have long ago learned that a backpack is not the most efficient storage space for things that will save your life only if you have access to them _right_now_. That includes pretty much anything weapon-related, like ammo, grenades, and knives. There really isn't any space left on his vest to dedicate to pockets for clips, plus you either have open-topped pockets that would allow the clips to fall out when you're diving for cover, or you have to undo some sort of something before you can start shooting at that guy who's about to perforate you. This may seem kinda stupid, but if I had ever been a soldier, I think I'd much prefer this to screwing around with pockets.

Purple Dave

i hate this kid.

gonzaleznj

PS. I am a two tour combat vet and I warn people about just whose opinion that they listen to ALL the time.

Kevin

@Xavoc: .223 Remington can be safely used interchangeably with 5.56x45mm NATO, and is just as widespread as .22 ammunition, being a popular varmint hunting rifle caliber.

OK, you CAN fire .223 in an M-16 however through experience I will say the spring would have to be lightened to ensure reliability. Now, if you fire a 5.56 in a civilian rifle I would suggest for you a good shrink.

WARNING. DO NOT fire NATO 5.56 ball ammo in civilian rifles. Not smart, not even close. The M-16 is designed to handle pressures that would blow a civilian rifles chamber up. Wanna fire 5.56 ?? Buy an M-16, they're relatively cheap and will not hiccup on the ammo.

Kevin

@Thud: I was thinking the same "a magazine magazine?" I can see that being too cumbersome and getting debris in it during combat. If you need that much ammo, why not a SAW?
And about M16 and zombies, if at medium range, ok. But in close quarters you are fubar.

SigmundTheSeaMonster

Dear mods, please excuse this off topic rant...

@DisposableInterloper: no no no no. If the zombies are made of custard and cheese then you can do the job with a broom-handle!

Have you ever shot anything soft with a .45? Even with cowboy load bullets, you can splatter watermelon all over the place.

only the slow zombies are rotting because in the old Romero mythos, they have to die in order to "turn". It was much more closely tied to the carribbean zombie tradition. As such it was more reliant on Magic as a means of reanimation...Fast zombies a la 28 days later have SciFi roots and are still living and require all of their body parts in order to function properly. they're an expression of the Germ Warfare/WMDs that so dominated late 20th century apocalypse scenarios.

/rant

please don't ban me for that. I swear it'll never happen again. I just get so worked up over zombies...

CribbageLeft

Magazine retention may be a good idea for in the field infantry do to the lack of resupply but Law enforcement is completely different.
Back when wheel guns were common, police officers were taught to catch the brass in their hand and put it in a pocket so they do not have to police up their brass from the range.
This practice led to dead policemen with brass in their pockets because they did what they were trained to do when the got into a real gun fight. Taking that extra second to put the empty magazine away or pocket your brass is foolish.
Anyone in Law Enforcement should drop the magazines, drop the brass reload as soon as possible and let nothing slow this process down.
A person in the FBI who I trained with was killed in a shootout with 2 Bankrobbers when he was reloading. The bastard got up from behind cover, walked over to the car, leaned over it and shot the agent in the head. This happened all in the time it took to reload.

nospamsam

@SigmundTheSeaMonster: You don't really have the choice of an M-16 or SAW, you typically are issued one or the other. Typically. I'm sure special units get to carry whatever they like.

In combat, you're going to carry as much ammo as you can without encumbering yourself, and what you can get your hands on.

As far as needing that much ammo, fire and maneuver tactics require you and your team mates to lay down suppressing fire, which means that although you aren't intentionally firing blindly, you may not be shooting at a visible target in order to keep said target's head down and unable to return fire.

Magazine retention is incredibly important, as Paul stated above, and is taught thoroughly in Marine training. You may be pinned down in an urban environment where resupply is difficult, and if you do get a resupply you may very well have to reload the magazines you just dropped a block away. Plus I'd hate to have an inventive terrorist visit the battlefield after the fact, pick up all of those loose magazines, plant a small explosive in them and hide them on one of our FOBs for someone to pick up.

Yarrr

Now here is a Giz article I can get into! Slow is smooth and smooth is fast!

Scott

@DisposableInterloper: You're confusing Hollywood zombies for real zombies.

Also, I prefer semi-auto shotties for my gun of choice. Less waste and more accurate than your average full-auto.

And don't forget, for hand-to-hand combat, don't forget the requisite crow-bar. Yeah, it's a level one weapon, but it's always there when you need it. It goes without saying that you can upgrade to the chainsaw when possible. But when zombie hunting - or in defensive situations - you gotta roll deep with alternative means of slaying.

Geisrud

I'll take 2 for M16/M4 have anything in M1A1 Thompson?

Thallid

@Thud: lmao

Duc

@Canthros:
Well, of course you need to take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

However, selecting a nuke big enough to vaporize all zombies to ensure there are no radioactive mutant zombies, and then nuking the site from orbit is the job of the government. If you're right in the middle of the zombie infestation, you're as good as doomed.

The idea with a shotgun is that if you happen to be on the fringe of the infestation, you can work your way through narrow corridors where the zombies can't corral you and other survivors. You'd have a chance to reach a military garrison on time. A small one, but a chance nevertheless.

As for shooting the head, like I said, they won't be able to eat your brains, but they can still sprout tentacles and slash you to ribbons.

@CribbageLeft:
But you see, they've got superhuman strength too. If you walk up to a zombie with a broom handle you try and brush its flesh off, it'll take the broom, ram it through your face and out the back of your skull, and then drink the resulting mush that was once your brain.

As for watermelons, they're crunchy. Zombies are mushy. Try making a big pile of mashed potatoes and pulled pork, then shoot at it. Pieces will fly off, but it won't get torn apart unless you've got a torrent of bullets.

@Geisrud:
Zombies are zombies. I'm just loosely taking anything that has even a vague relation to zombies, be it modern Hollywood SciFi zombie or classic Hollywood voodoo zombies or the myriad video game zombies, and mashing it together. My posts here are merely intended to be a parody, in case you missed that.

As for the crowbar, if it worked for Gordon Freeman, it'll work for anyone. That's such an obvious tool that it's not even worth mentioning.

DisposableInterloper

I will be adding this to my list of things I will never buy.

Duc

This device got savaged on lightfighter.net weeks ago. It takes up the realestate of at least 3 conventional mag pouches, which would store 9 magazines total. It's an overly complex mechanism that will break. Kindof like the M16 magazine itself.

Abledart

@DisposableInterloper: Sprout tentacle and ... wtf kind of zombies are thinking of? o_O

Canthros

@Canthros:
Well, like I said, I took bits and pieces from all sorts of zombie portrayals. Like the cannibalism part, I got that from Warcraft, and the roaring, screaming, and hissing while lunging I got from Half-Life.

The bit about the tentacles I got from Halo. Y'know, the Flood.

DisposableInterloper

Aren't we already at war with the zombies and un-dead? We're even paying them to produce their replacements so that we can fight for millennia to come.

/soapbox

so where can i buy one? my rucksack is already full, and we've got the gear vs. ammunition pretty well divided out and the weight deligated to who can carry it based on their ability. Some quick access to the second third and all subsequent mags would be wonderful in a rolling dynamic situation.

odiekokee

just put some tape in two magazines and done

AndersonBMX

I may not be a super slick soldier like some veterans around here, but as an ex-infantryman, this appeals to me.

I'd have to see it, feel it, and work with it before I passed final judgement, but the idea of having magazines magically appear in the same spot over and over again, and not having to worry about fastening my mag pouch is pretty appealing.

I always fraking hated, especially when prone, having to adjust to take a magazine out of a pouch on my right side (varying standards over the years had us sometimes with two mag pouches on the left, or sometimes forcing us to split mag pouches to either side).

How many magazines does this hold? Only 3? Make it hold 5 or 6 and that's a plus. I think the pouch is the elastic bit or does it have moving parts inside. I'd really like to get my hands on one of these.

Oh wait, I'm out, and won't be going back in :-(

UberJumper

@Purple Dave:

the fact that your post ends with "if i had ever been a soldier" discredits your opinion. sorry.

this thing is junk. mags do not often fall out of well made pouches already on the market. ive never lost one.

noroadtrippin