Phones
8+ Hour iPhone Sync Timelapse Video (AKA Be Thankful For Your 'Short' Two Hour Sync)
Posted by Brian Lam at 3:00 AM on August 30, 2008
When I complained on Twitter about a 2 hour iPhone sync, Giz reader Brandon Lusk told me I was lucky. He had a much longer sync, sometimes over 6 hours. I called bullshit. And so, he provided me with two videos, time-lapsed; this one is over 8 hours. That's a full night of sleep. That's a full day of high school. That's longer than it takes to fly cross country, or drive from SF to Los Angeles. After seeing this video, I stopped complaining and tried to figure out what caused Brandon's problem with him.
To troubleshoot the problem, he restored his phone from scratch, but even after reinstalling 7.7.1 iTunes and 2.0.2 firmware in his never-jailbreaked iPhone 3G, the sync is unbearably long. We even tried syncing on an Air and an iMac and used another cable. The only outstanding set of data Brandon had is that he loads 74 apps to his phone. And he says that by adding apps one at a time, his sync/backup time slowly goes up—so it's not a single buggy app ruining the process.
Now, I'm sure Brandon's case is an exceptionally complicated problem. He still has an iTunes error message pop up when he syncs, for example. And even when we both load up 50 apps on our phones, his sync is much longer at 4 hours. This is clearly not a normal example, but that doesn't mean it's not real, and it doesn't mean it isn't related to the big problem many have been suffering from since firmware 2.00 hit. Maybe Brandon can be our poster boy for the eternal sync/backup problem. Or, until Apple fixes it, we can watch this video every time we complain about the iPhone's sync times and we can feel like it could have been worse. Like 8 hours' worth of worse. But damn if that video doesn't make you happy when it's finally done with the transfer.
The song in the video is Foreplay/Long Time, by Boston, FWIW. [Brandon's blog, Foreplay/Long Time Amazon, iTunes]
His setup:
Both machines running 10.5.4 and iTunes 7.7.1 (but again, this started on 7.7)
Air is a day 1 1.6GHZ, 80GB and the iMac is a 2.8GHZ 4GB RAM 320GB HDDWhen I started, I had
997.1 MB of music (163 songs, all .m4a files, except 27 .m4p)
5 playlists
93.6 MB of photos
27 ringtones
No movies or TV shows
47 MB video (all video podcasts)
Contacts, calendar synced to MobileMe
3 other IMAP email accounts
74 apps (a lot, I know, but certainly not as many as you could possibly have)The sync added
No music
No playlists
No photos
No ringtones
No movies or TV shows
3.5 GB of video (99 podcasts, and this part only took about 10 minutes, as you can see in the video)
6 app updates (2 of which were not installed because of an error)
No new appsThe backup folder produced this time weighs in at 9,771 items and 848.1 GB
My observations:
It doesn't matter if the app updates error or not, my last sync was 6:49 with 4 app updates, all of which were successful.
Since 2.0, backup and sync has been very long, but not to this extent. Usually 1.5 - 2 hours.
It started getting this bad about a month ago, right before iTunes 7.7.1 came out, an app crashed mid install via Wi-Fi app store, crashing the phone to the Apple logo but not booting all the way.
When it crashed like that, I put it in DFU mode and restored from backup, immediately had the same problem.
Back to DFU mode and restored with fresh firmware—instead of crashing daily, it did it every few days, requiring DFU mode and fresh download of firmware.
Did a complete wipe from within the phone, installed fresh firmware again, and started from scratch. New iTunes installation (removing support files first, empty trash, reboot, then reinstall) new firmware download.
Since then, no more Apple logo of death, and very few app crashes in general, but still excruciating backup/sync times.
If I skip the backup (I'm inclined to do that these days, since they are usually corrupted, even with a fresh copy on the desktop) it still takes at least 2-3 hours to sync.
It's been such a long time
I think I should be goin', yeah
And time doesn't wait for me, it keeps on rollin'
Sail on, on a distant highway
I've got to keep on chasin' a dream
I've gotta be on my way
Wish there was something I could say.Well I'm takin' my time, I'm just movin' along
You'll forget about me after I've been gone
And I take what I find, I don't want no more
It's just outside of your front door.It's been such a long time. It's been such a long time.
Well I get so lonely when I am without you
But in my mind, deep in my mind,
I can't forget about you
Good times, and faces that remind me
I'm tryin' to forget your name and leave it all behind me
You're comin' back to find me.

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Miranda Kali (Desperate But Not Serious)
Posted 3:41 AM 30/8/08
Eight-hundred and fourty-eight GIGABYTES?!! WTF?!
Miranda Kali (Desperate But Not Serious)
jhlavenka
Posted 3:38 AM 30/8/08
Wha? 848.1 gb? His backup folder is almost a terabyte? Did you misplace a decimal point?
jhlavenka
ugar
Posted 3:38 AM 30/8/08
@utube2007: That depends on the type of high school you're talking about. And what, you never did any homework in high school?
ugar
nachobel
Posted 3:37 AM 30/8/08
@nycbjr2: i was wondering about that as well
I'd just
well, I'd have to buy a new window afterwords.
nachobel
diem
Posted 3:37 AM 30/8/08
you can cut down the sync time by simply right clicking on the phone in the devices menu, select "reset warnings", and then when you sync the next time it will ask you if you want to send the data to apple. Select "don't send".
Cut my 20 minute time down to 2 minutes.
diem
dcdttu
Posted 3:35 AM 30/8/08
My experience tells me that skipping backup makes the sync much faster, and that when you get a new phone or need to use your backup, iTunes fucks it up and says it's unusable anyway... and all your apps sync, and contacts, and music, and videos.... what's the backup for anyway???
dcdttu
el0d
Posted 3:34 AM 30/8/08
@utube2007: 8-3? shit that woulda been nice. Would have felt like afternoon kindergarten.
We went from 6:30 to 2:30.
el0d
MaisieLeda
Posted 3:33 AM 30/8/08
Last night, mine took about 4 hrs to sync. A lot of my apps crash often! I am getting tire and sick of this. We pay a lot of money every month for this junk !!!
MaisieLeda
mmeister
Posted 3:33 AM 30/8/08
I had slow sync problems on a 1st Gen iPhone. Turns out it was sitting on a mixed USB bus. If you have a USB 1.1 device on the bus, everything runs on that slow bus. I put it on a USB 2.0 devices only setup and backups are about 4 minutes.
With 2.0.2 software, installing apps no longer automatically forces a full backup, so installing an app took about 20 seconds.
It is possible this problem is real, but there are also a lot of variables that need to be removed and rather than making a video of how long it took, you might remove some of those variables.
mmeister
nycbjr2
Posted 3:33 AM 30/8/08
848 gb? did anyone notice his mbair is only 80gb and his imac is 320gb? where is this magical 848gb residing?
nycbjr2
Jon B.
Posted 3:32 AM 30/8/08
@utube2007: you sir spent way too much time thinking about that...
Jon B.
TonyRockyHorror
Posted 3:28 AM 30/8/08
who the fuck actually uses 74 programs daily? i mean, seriously? that's ridiculous.
TonyRockyHorror
stonefry
Posted 3:27 AM 30/8/08
@utube2007: Seriously?
stonefry
domerdel
Posted 3:25 AM 30/8/08
MacPro 7GB Ram, RAID 0 hard drives, nothing else running
latest itunes, latest OS X leopard update,
backing up 70 apps.... 4.5 hrs. Nothing else on it.
I can back up 300 gigs on my Firewire800 drive faster than I can backup 1GB or less on my iPhone... sad.
domerdel
ugar
Posted 3:23 AM 30/8/08
@nystreetfilms: ROFL
ugar
utube2007
Posted 3:23 AM 30/8/08
Since when is 8 hours a full day of highschool; most high schools and schools in general are 5, 6 or 6.15 hours or 8-3, 8:30-3:30, 8:45-3:15, 9-3:15 not 7-3 or 8-4 where do you get the 8 hour highschool from
utube2007
Mayor McRib
Posted 3:22 AM 30/8/08
I have a full 16gig iPhone 3G with only 300 megs to spare. I have 3 tv shows, 3 movies and 9 gigs of music. Mobile Me with 80 contacts, 4 email accounts, 33 applications (aside from the standard pre-loaded) and 10 websites on the home screen. It takes me between 5 and 10 minutes to backup my phone on a C2D MacBook Pro. I do it at least twice a week.
Mayor McRib
NeoXY
Posted 3:21 AM 30/8/08
@nystreetfilms: lmfao. Nice post
NeoXY
nystreetfilms
Posted 3:16 AM 30/8/08
You know, I have had a 1st gen since it debuted and its been a great phone.
Just recently, like in the last month, this POS has been acting weirder then a tranny in a tabernacle. And just this week, out of F'n no where, all my contacts go bye bye.
In my favorites panel, its just numbers.
So Im like, whatever, just plug the bastard into my mac and resyncho... nope. Nothing. no good. Had to restore, and the last time I did an archive was in April. Lost a couple of good numbers in there I'll tell you.
So yeah. Apple. Watch yo ass. Its about to be broken off cause you're not holding up yo end of the bargain: we pay more money and you make the shit work.
Shit aint working.
nystreetfilms
OGHowie
Posted 3:15 AM 30/8/08
Bring it in to Apple and get a new phone?
OGHowie
Mr.DuckSauce
Posted 3:15 AM 30/8/08
wow, that sucks.
Mr.DuckSauce
Faslane66
Posted 3:15 AM 30/8/08
8 hrs? wtf? I have like 60 or so apps, and a couple hundred contacts, and like 4GB free on my iPhone and It takes me like 20 minutes tops to do a full backup????!!!
Anyone else have Much quicker than this?
L.
Faslane66
Mr. Black aka Thomas @ Sanctuary93.com
Posted 3:14 AM 30/8/08
He should just disable backups. Yea, if he has to restore he'll have to redo all his settings, but that's a heck of a lot faster than 8 hours.
Mr. Black aka Thomas @ Sanctuary93.com
puntai
Posted 3:05 AM 30/8/08
this computer needs a screensaver.... seriously
puntai
forrman
Posted 3:04 AM 30/8/08
the password is not 'password'
forrman
warknight10
Posted 3:03 AM 30/8/08
the password is gizmodo...kind of obvious as my first guess
warknight10
puntai
Posted 3:03 AM 30/8/08
pass: gizmodo
puntai
steveyun
Posted 3:03 AM 30/8/08
It says I need a password to see the video...
steveyun
puntai
Posted 3:03 AM 30/8/08
what he said ^
puntai
Buzzed
Posted 3:02 AM 30/8/08
password protected video?
Buzzed
Mayor McRib
Posted 4:05 AM 30/8/08
@Geraldo:
Sadly enough, it was even faster before 2.02. But based on some of you guys, I won't complain. Two things that I have noticed lately is that GPS only won't work correctly with locating me (even with 5 bars like I have at home). I add back wifi and BOOM it works fine. It's also pretty common for an app. that updates directly on the iPhone to crash and then work fine. So I just update on the computer and sync from there.
I am guessing that deleted apps might be having an effect on slow sync times too. I would guess that the backup still logs them since it remembers if you had the app before if you try to re-download it.
Mayor McRib
trek1394
Posted 4:04 AM 30/8/08
So, wait, his backup was almost a terabyte? His computer can only hold 320GB, and the air even less. Something is clearly going wrong there.
trek1394
rcast1986
Posted 4:03 AM 30/8/08
@TonyRockyHorror: That's not the point: There's never been any kind of limit mentioned by Apple regarding how many apps a person can use and still maintain functionality. Even worse, if he paid for all or most of them then why shouldn't he be allowed to keep every one of them on there?? It's his money, and not being able to do so would be considered a waste.
rcast1986
sprice82
Posted 4:03 AM 30/8/08
I am using my 3G with iTunes 7.7.1 on vista with no problems at all. Sync around 10-15 minutes, 8 gigs of music, 15 apps, everything else syncs over the air.
sprice82
joebobfunguy
Posted 4:03 AM 30/8/08
when it says backing up iphone, just click the x to stop it, and it will go on with syncing the rest of your stuff. Was that so hard?
joebobfunguy
phi
Posted 4:01 AM 30/8/08
Last I checked, it backs up EVERYTHING. I mean, my back up folder has over 4000 files in it. When I say everything, even stupid stuff that you can easily sync without a need of the back up (like associated photos to your contacts)
phi
UberJumper
Posted 3:56 AM 30/8/08
It's pretty obvious that *something*'s being duplicated in the backup portion, did anyone bother to look at what's being duplicated there?
What's it DOING during the 8 hours? Probalby caught in a loop copying some chunk of data.
Is it fine without apps being added? Did he add one app at a time and see which one's triggering the loop?
UberJumper
Geraldo
Posted 3:54 AM 30/8/08
@Mayor McRib:
My backup with my XP desktop is seriously messed up -- takes 2 hours at least, not including syncing contacts. I have a 16GB, generally less than 1GB free, about 3GB music I think, 3 movies, 3 TV programs, 19 music videos, 21 video podcasts, 45 apps -- total 6 additional screens (apps and web pages) other than home screen -- rest are web pages, so maybe 140+ icons in addition to home screen.
I don't even bother to time my backups anymore. I just try not to do backups and only to apply changes, which take less than 30 minutes -- those app updates are the things that seem to take forever.
Contacts syncing is with a separate work laptop (XP), and it just seems to sit out there forever. My Blackberry 8700c sync was blazing fast by comparison. Thank god for Exchange and live Calendar updates because I try not to sync with my work laptop anymore.
I know my backup is seriously broken but have no idea if I just need to back off on certain kinds of content. But I can't afford -- for now -- the evening it would take to start to figure this out. My buddy with a 16GB has similar problems.
Geraldo
putch
Posted 3:54 AM 30/8/08
yeah i think the 848gb thing has to be a decimal error. i think it's either a defective phone (unlikely) or a problem with the usb (is he using a hub? probably since it's an air, is the hub able to handle usb2.0? what if he doesnt use the hub?).
i dont who i hate more apple or apple's customers. probably the later, since i recently became one with a 3G purchase that i kind of regret.
putch
taking_this_easy
Posted 3:54 AM 30/8/08
that's okay
it takes me 2 hours to upload maps to my Blackjack II's microSDHC 4GB card....
2 hours for 2GB of stuff ~ 8 hours for 8GB of music?....
taking_this_easy
mhlaxp
Posted 3:50 AM 30/8/08
I couldn't help but laugh at the number of clocks on screen.
mhlaxp
dna
Posted 3:44 AM 30/8/08
APPLE FAIL
dna
JEmlay
Posted 3:43 AM 30/8/08
This isn't new. We already know the more apps you have the longer the backup. However, the backup should be sequential. So his next backup should be quick.
However again, iTunes on Vista DOES NOT WORK. It will perform a NEW backup every time and after a few backups, it will STOP backing up. That is to say it still runs through the process (FULL EACH TIME) but you get no backup.
I had to move all my iPhone/iTunes (crap) to work so I can use it on XP.
JEmlay
PocketLint
Posted 3:43 AM 30/8/08
The backup folder: 9,771 items and 848.1 GB???
That is one heck of a hacked iPhone if it has nearly a terabyte of storage on it..
Then again, 8 hours seems rather speedy if it's moving 848.1 GB of data..
PocketLint
hypereric
Posted 4:30 AM 30/8/08
I call fake! No doubt manufactured in that same airplane hangar as NASA's "moon landing" footage was shot in! :-p
hypereric
future-proof
Posted 4:25 AM 30/8/08
I like how the temperature is dropping around 1:40 into the clip.
Brandon: 'Come one Apple, the winter is coming already...'
Apple: 'STFU! One sync per year!'
But yeah.... my Treo synced in about 15 seconds (contacts, calendar, apps). Are we moving backwards in time?
future-proof
Joseph
Posted 4:23 AM 30/8/08
Jeez, is that think checking the hashes of all the files and validating the digital signatures of all software on a sync? That's an insanely long time.
Joseph
dorylomorphs
Posted 4:23 AM 30/8/08
whats the name of that bar at the bottom of the computer that displays the time, date, and weather?
dorylomorphs
Git Em SteveDave displays attention-grabbing vanity
Posted 4:22 AM 30/8/08
Did anyone else expect to see Buck Rogers spinning around and/or thought of Futurama?
"We managed to synch the iPhone, but we took on a lot of clocks."
Git Em SteveDave displays attention-grabbing vanity
eddiesdguy
Posted 4:17 AM 30/8/08
awesome song. my backups only take about 30 minutes. am i doing something right, or when i go to restore, am i'm going to be screwed?
eddiesdguy
dssstrkl
Posted 4:14 AM 30/8/08
I just disabled itunes backups. I have better things to do with my time. Its really unbelievable that the backup takes twice as long as loading the damn thing up in the first place!
dssstrkl
Bruhaha
Posted 4:09 AM 30/8/08
I too have had the problem of extraordinary sync times.
This is what I am running:
Running Vista.
I have the latest iTunes updates from Mac.
I too, uninstalled everything Mac then reinstalled it fresh.
78 Apps
1.5 GB photos
6.1 GB movies
6.5 GB music
(about 15 GB total)
Yeah, I would say it is a 6 hour+ sync time for me.
Back-up's + syncs can be longer.
Then there were the continuous Apple Logo of Death "lock-ups" at the END of my sync's that would make me RESTORE the phone scratch and start over. (I have seriously had my phone about 1 usable day this week due to lock-ups and then 6-hour + restores)
A friend suggested I move my iPhone dock from the USB port on the back of my computer to the front USB port - he had had trouble with large file transfers when drawing a lot of power from a cluster of closely grouped USB ports that were also being used to run other devices (keyboard, mouse, printers, external HD, etc.)
When I thought about it, all of my Logo of Death "lock-ups" happened after I bought the dock and plugged into the back, when before I had just been using the USB cord that came with the iPhone which was plugged into the FRONT USB port on my computer. I am in the middle of that sync now so we shall seeā¦
I love my iPhone (when it's working), but these lock-ups have been a shit-show.
Bruhaha
MichelleDatsun
Posted 4:04 AM 30/8/08
We should be able to opt out of doing a backup every time the phone is synced. This is so fuc*ing irritating when I want to add a small playlist to my phone and iTunes has to back up the whole phone to do it.
MichelleDatsun
pri_them2
Posted 4:54 AM 30/8/08
It takes over 12 hours for my iPhone to sync. Something is really wrong.
pri_them2
theblackdog
Posted 4:52 AM 30/8/08
The size of the backup folder is 848.1 MegaBytes (MB) and not Gigabytes (GB), right? If so, youve got to tell me what kind of compression you have on that folder since the HD is only 320 GB, and that's before adding the OS :-P
theblackdog
azzy
Posted 4:46 AM 30/8/08
what I don't get is I just had a backup/sync the other day that took 20 minutes. Normally mine take a couple hours, so I was happy!
Then two days later it again took an hour before I got a call, which cancels the sync. Agh!
azzy
RobertJP
Posted 4:43 AM 30/8/08
I just gave up and used Gizmodo's solution of disabling backups entirely. When I update my phone now I SSH in and back up all my jailbroken apps, program databases, miscellaneous settings manually and then put them back in after I restore. Tedious and annoying but at least it takes less time than iTunes poor excuse for a backup process.
RobertJP
digicatz
Posted 4:41 AM 30/8/08
he act of reading the file will not with, where is the edit post function??
digicatz
digicatz
Posted 4:38 AM 30/8/08
I would look for the bad or mis behaving app, for starters. I would also make sure to be on a 2.0 USB, port. Maybe try going back to beginning, and manually adding numbers, and carefully adding apps, My guess is All the backups got corrupted, so the instant you try to load an older back up, even a pre problem back up, those files were probably corrupted. I have seen it before. The act of reading the file with corrupted the original file. So unless you have a pritein copy untouched by Itunes since it was made, (not sure if that is possible)I would manualy rebuild, and test sync before adding apps etc. Also may want to stop by Apple
Genius Bar, as there may be a simple cause/fix we are not aware of.
digicatz
WiwiJumbo
Posted 4:35 AM 30/8/08
A little off topic, but how do you license the music for these clips?
WiwiJumbo
Pablos102030
Posted 5:20 AM 30/8/08
848.1 GB
1TB iphone confirmed!
Pablos102030
coolkiwilivin
Posted 5:18 AM 30/8/08
Hah, this is great. The Fanboys are scrambling to find excuses for this piece of junk known as an iPhone. Ah, it's great to see the Fanboys having to eat some humble pie. "Wait, apple isn't perfect? My perfectly crafted world. What will I do? How can my iLife go forward?" Maybe now we can start talking rationally about computers and OS'es.
coolkiwilivin
ejl10
Posted 5:14 AM 30/8/08
Mine takes around 8 hours, too. I just thought it was normal until now. I usually plug it in before going to sleep, and then grab it in the morning. Sometimes it's done, sometimes it isn't. I've learned to care very little about the backup process.
ejl10
bluerei
Posted 5:13 AM 30/8/08
Foreplay is one of my fav jazz groups. Oh, and that sucks about the syncing thing.
bluerei
OMG! Ponies!
Posted 5:11 AM 30/8/08
This is what's known in the gadget world as "Apple Fucked Up".
OMG! Ponies!
redban
Posted 5:08 AM 30/8/08
Wow I was mad at my hour + sync... thats crazy!!!
redban
pri_them2
Posted 4:57 AM 30/8/08
Mine is the original iPhone and never jailbroken. The problem started to show after I upgrade to iPhone 2.0.2 firmware. So I think it is not a hardware problem. The firmware has bugs for sure.
pri_them2
dorylomorphs
Posted 5:37 AM 30/8/08
What is the name of the weather, time, date widget?!!!
dorylomorphs
MadColombian
Posted 5:34 AM 30/8/08
@MadColombian: i mean its not a permanent solution in the way that its not a apple fix. should of worded that differently. ever since i did that my back ups dont take that long.
MadColombian
MadColombian
Posted 5:33 AM 30/8/08
you guys try this
[www.ipodtouchfans.com]
i tried it and it shortened my sync time to about 10 minutes. its not permanent, but eh...
(i have a 16gb iPhone 3g)
MadColombian
kzooguy
Posted 5:28 AM 30/8/08
okay, 43 seconds for the z22. I lied. though it doesn't work with iLife software, which sucks. Palm's Mac software is horrible.
kzooguy
kzooguy
Posted 5:25 AM 30/8/08
ah, simplicity. I have a Palm z22 (the $99 PDA) and it syncs in about 15 seconds. My phone doesn't sync. My iPod... takes about 20-30 seconds tops.
kzooguy
aec007
Posted 6:10 AM 30/8/08
My Q9h can pipe 2 GB from the Micro SDHC card in about 30 minutes over the USB 2.0
It's not the phone speed but the SD card that is slow.
Sync'ing takes just seconds.
There something wrong with that iPhone / Mac or iTunes setup... or the mix just sucks....
aec007
future-proof
Posted 6:07 AM 30/8/08
@EBone: 'pain in the ass'?
It's a screw-up^H^H^H^H^H^H a big fuck-up. Technology to check for file changes very quickly and only transfer differences has existed for many years...
My sync takes around an hour and I find that ridiculous.
future-proof
uomdeacon
Posted 6:03 AM 30/8/08
Wow, these long backups baffle me. Granted, I'm using a first gen 4GB phone, but it takes me a max of 10 minutes when I sync, even when the backup progress bar pops up.
uomdeacon
EBone
Posted 5:55 AM 30/8/08
More apps = more backup = more time
It is a pain in the ass that the phone backs up every app, every time.
EBone
M.O.D.O.K.
Posted 5:47 AM 30/8/08
Sorry, let me clarify my post above.
You use:
defaults write com.apple.itunes DeviceBackupsDisabled -bool NO
whenever you want to enable your *application sync* again.
M.O.D.O.K.
M.O.D.O.K.
Posted 5:46 AM 30/8/08
My sync for my iPod touch (latest firmware plus OS X 10.5) used to take 1.5+ hours. I got tired of this so I disabled the application sync but kept video/music sync.
I think your iTunes needs to NOT be running when you do this.
Go to the Terminal application on your Mac and paste this in and press enter:
defaults write com.apple.itunes DeviceBackupsDisabled -bool YES
When you want to enable it again, paste this into Terminal and press enter:
defaults write com.apple.itunes DeviceBackupsDisabled -bool NO
So far this has been working for me though your mileage may vary.
M.O.D.O.K.
yuriythebest
Posted 6:55 AM 30/8/08
hehehehehehe iphones suck
yuriythebest
Nathan Drake
Posted 7:21 AM 30/8/08
@puntai: Why? To the best of my recollection, an LCD screen doesn't need a screensaver.
Nathan Drake
Rob C
Posted 7:14 AM 30/8/08
If it's having a whole heap of apps that makes syncing slow, I'm going to have to say it's probably poor coding on the developers part?
Who knows. I use 1.1.4 and am NOT switching to 2.0 until shit like this stops happening.
Rob C
hypereric
Posted 7:12 AM 30/8/08
It sounds like with iTunes 7.x, they went to sector-by-sector BU method (basically, a true-blue image of the storage memory), hence the reason for a full backup everytime.
SWAG: the difference between people who are experiencing this and people who are not is that the people who are experiencing this have defective addresses in their SSD (or chips... same difference). The controller has (or should have) wear-leveling built-in... this should reflect in the FAT (or whatever HFS(?) uses that is the same) by handing the OS the start-stop values of where the various fragments of data reside at. However, with a sector-by-sector sequential approach to BU'ing, the FAT (again, whatever is the equivalent) would not be read (hence, cannot tell what is new and what is already BU'ed on the master computer, thus you get full BU).
But with defective addresses, the master computer would PEEK (<-- C64 FTW! :-), and then again and again. Eventually it would give up.
However, why they would go to this method of BU with iTunes 7.x is an unknown.
The only way I know of to test this theory would be:
1) Have two iPhones ... one that takes a long time to sync, the other that doesn't. Use the master computer that the "good" iPhone normally BUs to. Login with the "bad" iPhone's account, try to sync it. If it takes loooong, then we have the issue being in the phone. If not, I just spouted a bunch of BS.
2) If it is within the phone, then we need something like RAMTest, but for the storage memory. I do not know if an app like this is available, so at this point you would prolly have to jailbreak them. I would bet dollars to donuts that the "bad" phone has a large amount of faulty addresses versus the "good" phone.
hypereric
smashingparadox
Posted 7:12 AM 30/8/08
"It just works!"
smashingparadox
redfood
Posted 8:14 AM 30/8/08
I'd like someone to tell me why iTunes takes close to a minute to launch on my MacBookPro.
redfood
shiftyeyedgoat
Posted 9:25 AM 30/8/08
My iPhone syncs in around a minute, maybe less.
What the fuck is this guy's deal?
shiftyeyedgoat
DaveBSC
Posted 9:24 AM 30/8/08
Bwaaahahhahaa. Nokia FTW.
DaveBSC
tayedrumma
Posted 9:17 AM 30/8/08
large library on iTunes will reduce it to a crawl. my library is around 200GB and it takes about 30 seconds on my iBook to boot. YES, i have upgraded my hard drive
tayedrumma
Bruce_A
Posted 9:57 AM 30/8/08
Needs more cowbell.
Yes, I know it's Boston and not BOC.
Bruce_A
MrBlahBlah
Posted 10:35 AM 30/8/08
iphone apps totally weigh down the process
MrBlahBlah
Haxd
Posted 10:21 AM 30/8/08
Um, looked to me like it was converting video, or making a backup, either way this is probably due to a slow hard drive, or a damaged usb socket. It would be interesting to see how fast it went after a fresh iPhone wipe, on a new hard drive with a non-piece-of-shit Macbook Air.
Haxd
blakespot
Posted 10:50 AM 30/8/08
My sync, after 12 hours, was only 80% done.
[www.ipodhacks.com]
:-\
blakespot
kellygeorge
Posted 12:02 PM 30/8/08
and I quote...
"how do we get the 1000 songs on to iPod? We don't want to wait, so we built in FireWire...lets take a look at how it compares with USB... lets talk about 1000 songs. On iPod with FireWire it is under 10 minutes. On a USB player it is 5 hours. Can you imagine that?...You get to watch it for 5 hours while it loads 1000 songs."
I know USB is faster now, but seriously, why did they ever drop FireWire?
+ Watch video
kellygeorge
itchytooth
Posted 2:02 PM 30/8/08
How is it that Apple can be fully aware of this awesome concept of incremental backups, exhibited so succinctly in their own Time Machine, and then totally miss the boat when it comes to their current favorite world-dominating device?
Also, why does "synching" seem to consistently delete applications that I've never deleted on my phone or on my Mac.
My hunch is that magic is to blame and rhetorical questions are the solution.
itchytooth
knackers
Posted 2:47 PM 30/8/08
Why is a full backup required when it's basically a 1-way sync from your PC to your iphone (effectively your itunes library is your backup)? Me no understand ...
Surely it only takes a few seconds to backup that new note you made to re-arrange your sock drawer tonight?
knackers
billco
Posted 2:37 PM 30/8/08
The only reason the iPhone is a "world-dominating device", as you call it, is because it was marketed as such. Its functionality is not only crippled in software (thanks to the carriers), but the damned things are built cheap/brittle and they love to crash all the time.
They should have called it the Acer iPhone. It is an absolute mockery of a product, not at all like Apple's mainstream, and apparently they have no freaking clue how to deal with that sort of failure.
billco
exstns
Posted 3:46 PM 30/8/08
@Faslane66:
Mine barely has any programs, no music, no video.. last time I clocked the backup at about 8 hours as well.. from 9am when I got to work till 5pm when I had to leave, in fact it was only at 90% complete, I had to cancel. Sick and tired of the problems with this phone. I also HAVE to back it up at least once a week cuz this thing crashes way too often. Most of the time the backup is corrupted anyway. Actually I'm restoring my phone as I type this. It crashed again after pressing the home button, yay. Hmm what's this? "The backup file is corrupted..." Sigh..
exstns
mikail511
Posted 5:53 PM 30/8/08
@utube2007: does it really fucking matter...
mikail511
StevieQ
Posted 12:58 AM 31/8/08
i dunno, my ipod touch syncs in under a minute, and "backs up" in about 2 minutes.
StevieQ
nicless
Posted 12:59 AM 31/8/08
@utube2007: My normal highschool day was 7 to 3:30. When I had AP Chem it was 6 to 3:30.
nicless
themediaguy
Posted 7:10 AM 31/8/08
iphone 3g=epic fail
quite frustrated with mine, even though backups take 30-40 minutes with 36 apps, most of them light applications such as google
themediaguy
halfkorean
Posted 8:06 AM 31/8/08
When downloading and installing 2.0.2, I walked away from my laptop. When I returned to the laptop, itunes said there was an error installing 2.0.2, and my iphone was locked up. I had to do a restore from a recent backup, and it took all of 6 hours! (BTW this is my first plunge in to anything "apple.")
halfkorean
urbanturban666
Posted 8:43 AM 31/8/08
yeah....sometimes its just easier to have a phone that behaves like a usb drive so that i can use my os file browser to dump in files...
urbanturban666
Exodius
Posted 9:18 AM 31/8/08
the longest I've ever had to sync was 15 minutes.....
most of the time the syncs take like 5 to 8 minutes.... (I sync two iPhones on this computer a white 16GB and a black 16GB both with practically the same stuff on it.)
and I have a macbook (black) and a iPhone 3G 16GB
specs of macbook
2.16 GHz C2D
4MB L2 Cache
160 GB 5400RPM
1 GB RAM
I have on the iPhone 3G
Songs: 675
Videos: 15
Photos: 86
Apps:34 apps (excluding stock apps
Exodius
scumola
Posted 12:50 PM 31/8/08
The guy probably did it over USB 1.0 port and didn't think about using a USB 2.0 port.
scumola
donperreault
Posted 11:00 PM 31/8/08
I am experiencing the 3 and 4 hours backups and find it so very frustrating. I somewhat temporarily resolved my problem by turning off iPhone backup via the terminal: defaults write com.apple.iTunes DeviceBackupsDisabled -bool true
I originally thought I could control click on the iPhone in the device column and do a backup whenever I thought it was necessary but when disabling backups this menu item is no longer available and disable's all backups. Now, I just turn backups on and off via terminal and perform my backup.
I have had 4 lockups this week that required a full restore. Until yesterday not one of the restored backups were valid and I end up setting up as new phone. I believe when you cancel a backup via the iTunes status window it leaves the backup incomplete and it isn't any good.
donperreault
SandersLumos
Posted 3:42 AM 31/8/08
my iPod touch syncs really fast...but gets glacial if there is an issue synching to mobile me (ie, adding contacts, issues with my iCal). In that case it'll take hours, unless I dismiss the window, which I often don't see because i'ts hidden under all the other windows and doesn't show up on the windows menu under the finder. I pretty much have to shrink all my windows to see the synching conflict or issue window.
SandersLumos
andrediaslopes
Posted 2:59 AM 31/8/08
outch!! and samsung omnia as a problem......
andrediaslopes
agn507
Posted 11:43 AM 30/8/08
Looks like your using a ipod nano cable. I had a problem using an ipod nano cable where I would get errors.. took me a week to realize i was using the wrong cable.
agn507
HilliardDeeson
Posted 11:05 AM 30/8/08
I see the problem. In the beginning of the video you can see him uncheck the box labeled: "Sync without problems".
HilliardDeeson
BarryEliphino
Posted 10:49 AM 30/8/08
I had a similar problem when using an ipod nano cable. If you look in the video it doesn't appear he is using the iphone cable.. it's thinner then the one that comes with the iphone. -- Anthony Neumann
BarryEliphino
NatalieFeargal
Posted 6:55 AM 30/8/08
I've had this exact same problem. My iPod touch sometimes takes 2-3 hours to sync. I've lost all the data to my iPod touch 5 times and once had to get apple to restore all of my paid apps back for downloading. My laptop is less then a year old and so is my ipod touch. I've e-mail Apple about this but they have never really addressed this issue.
NatalieFeargal
UlaKapish
Posted 4:40 AM 30/8/08
So you'll let us know when Apple contacts you for this guys info, right? I mean, after Wil Wheaton Twittered about his cable being ridiculous, he got a call from his cable company's head honcho telling him that they read Twitter. And I like Gizmodo better than Twitter, so I'm sure you'll be getting a call. Shay
UlaKapish
shpider
Posted 4:31 AM 30/8/08
I too am having the same issues... My iPhone takes over 8 hours to backup... If I sync and cancel the backup it takes a few moments... It has to be reated to my computer somehow... I just cant figure out what (and I'm a mac only consultant... apple certified, member of the consultants network yadda yadda yadda)...
First... I know it's not the iPhone as I had the Apple Store give me a new one...
I've cleared out the old backups...
I've manually deleted and re-downloaded all applications (I have 95)...
I've reset the phone many times...
I've cleared caches...
I've done the disable sending info to apple "fix"...
I've done a slew of other things... NOTHING seems to fix it...
I suppose I could spend more time trying to figure it out, but to be honest after spending a long day fixing other people's problems, the last thing I want to do when I get home is spend hours trouble-shooting my own computer specially when everything else on the machine is working perfectly...
"Physician heal thy self"...
shpider
ompwebdude
Posted 4:07 AM 30/8/08
This experience is the same as mine. With no applications installed at all I can do a backup in about 30 seconds. With apps installed about 6+ hours.
I found that for every application I add, it adds about 5-10 minutes to the backup time. My backup times are generally longer than 6 hours now and I run them once a week overnight.
One thing that I have noted is that iTunes when it runs a backup creates thousands and thousands of files in the backup directory. Generally after a backup completes I find about 9000+ new files have been written to the backup directory. This has got to be some Apple engineers idea of a joke on Windows users because that is just hands down stupid to do period.
Honestly I wish Apple would pull its head out and smell the user air for a change and get this fixed.
ompwebdude
onewiththewurlitzer
Posted 3:59 AM 30/8/08
Doc Brown: Are those my clocks I hear?
Marty McFly: Yeah! Uh, it's 8 o'clock!
Doc Brown: Perfect! My experiment worked! They're all exactly 25 minutes slow.
Marty McFly: Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Doc... Are you telling me that it's 8:25?
Doc Brown: Precisely.
Marty McFly: Damn! I'm late for school!
onewiththewurlitzer
tompanderson
Posted 3:54 AM 30/8/08
My backups take 8 to 12 hours if I add an application. It's 8 hours on my 16G iPhone and 12 on my 16G iPod Touch (about double the number of applications). It never seems to do an incremental backup if there's a change to an app or the number of apps. Really bad. This is on a MacPro dual 3GHz quad core, witth 8GB of memory.
tompanderson
alphadog00
Posted 3:36 AM 30/8/08
Yeah, I question the backup folder size... I have 103 MB and 1426 items. I was wondering where he had .9 of TB... is this a typo?
alphadog00
megacoolguy
Posted 4:48 AM 30/8/08
It takes me like 15min to sync. But i think the Gov is trying to track ur iPhone..... LOL
megacoolguy
ghstomahawks
Posted 10:48 AM 1/9/08
"The backup folder produced this time weighs in at 9,771 items and 848.1 GB"
Anybody else pick up on this? I don't know if he has the 8gb or 16gb model, but that's either 106x or 53x the total storage his iphone has to offer. What sort of otherworldly "backup" could ever contain 50-100x as much information as what its backing up?
ghstomahawks
Dinotech
Posted 11:54 AM 30/8/08
Why in the hell does someone need 74 iPhone apps!? What are you doing with them besides showing them off to people for about 2 hours a day?
You bicth about how long the sync times are, but what about all the time you waste every day just playing around with, and maintaining, your precious iPhone?
Life is too short to be keeping track of what to do with 74 iPhone apps!!! Get a grip!!
Dinotech
richlove
Posted 10:11 AM 30/8/08
Apple will eventually fix this problem.
Until then, stop torturing yourself and just click the x to cancel the backup.
Then the sync will be fast.
richlove
socioecoboy
Posted 3:04 PM 3/9/08
i thought it was taking everyone 5-8 hrs. That's how long mine takes.
socioecoboy