Wait there's more! I was at Rogers changing up the my phone plan the other day (yesterday). During my time there I learned a few things...

Everybody wants the iPhone, even if they have no idea what it is. I can recall hearing a woman say "I want my 6MB internet iphone".

Breaking such a long contract requires you to pay up $400 (plus taxes).

Some people require an additional $200 for "insurance/credit deposit". It maybe understandable, but still.

Current plan holders pay a different price. I assume and hope that it's a lower price. But your plan has to
A. be upgraded, B. be eligible (more expensive).

Oh and to make sure you buy the phone w/contract. They set the price for a phone w/o contract at $3500. 3500-FREAKING-$$.

By the way, 16GB iPhones are sold out everywhere in Toronto. A simple 8GB is hard enough to find as well.

Kareem King

everyone should think themselves lucky they are getting it at all, it's certainly not coming to my part of the world any time soon

Gonzie

If any unfortunate iPhone user paying the highest iPhone plan dares to watch an 800MB moviewithout unlimited data plan will pay the innocuous price tag of $3200 USD's for the extra data consumption.

Here's the link for the mexican data plan calculator - and petition website:
[www.neltelcel.com]

vovPop

@Half off all shafts!: i wholeheartedly agree

davesousa

Hi, in Italy Vodafone & TIM offer the worst plans of Europe for iPhone.

here is the petition.. (nearly 10.000 people against Vosafone & TIM)

[www.iphoneaffossato.com]

bye
(my english is poor, sorry)

closer2p

@benjello: He was on a corporate plan, where his company was paying a cumulative of something like 5,000$ per month in phone bills (25+ lines).

cheechitup88

@cheechitup88: Yep, that sounds like Rogers... The only problem I can see is that maybe he didn't pass the credit check.

benjello

@justinpe: The speed of the network has everything to do with playback quality on streaming content. A poor data transfer rate means poor playback... on streaming content.

benjello

I know somebody that purchased an iPhone at Rogers, and Rogers went Nutzo with the Price. They told him that he since he was not allowed to upgrade he had to pay them an inflated price for the phone, on top of the 3 year contract. There was no way to get out of it without losing his line. They tried to charge him 649.99 for the phone, on a 3 year contract. He told them to go fuck themselves, and walked out the door.

cheechitup88

The Rogers data plans are LIMITED TIME ONLY!! The 6GB's for $30 ends August 31st.

Rogers sucks wangs.

benjello

@justinpe: Dude just watch a clip on 3G and watch the same clip on WiFi and you will see what am talking about

snitch29

@grundy: Yeah but if you use Wifi on the iPhone they look real clear and Nice, but as soon as you switch to 3G they look like SHHHHT

snitch29

@grundy:

Very true. The speed of the network has nothing to do with the video quality, just the speed at which the crappy video loads.

justinpe

@snitch29:

I was impressed with the speed of ATTs 3G network, but the coverage area is pretty crappy. $15 more per month is probably not worth it for me at this point considering I work from home and have free wifi available most places I go. The only times that I don't have access to wifi, I am out of the 3G network and have to use Edge anyway.

The only real advantages for me would be having GPS, non-recessed headphone jack, and a shiny white plastic back. After playing around with the white 3G iPhone, I decided that I like the new design better. I know its kind of a subjective thing, but it felt better in my hand and seems like it would hold up better to everyday wear and tear.

justinpe

@snitch29: YouTube videos will look crappy no matter what phone you're viewing them on

grundy

@ianmac47:

A trip to Belgium would probably cost the same as an AT&T plan for two years lol.

Boatski

@strider_mt2k: *correction* beer, they do great beer...

bobojuice

As much as I hate Rogers and their evil 3-year contracts, they are slightly less evil than they seem. As long as you renew every year, you can upgrade your hardware at new contract prices. So you're not stuck with the same phone for three years.
That being said, I'm a bitch to a Rogers contract and I hate it. Never mind the fact that the asshats renamed the SkyDome in Toronto to the Rogers Centre. What the hell is a Rogers Centre?

jorvay

Actually buying it unlocked in Belgium isn't defeating the purpose of 'unlocking'. You are never bound to Mobistar for use of the device. All you have to do is buy the phone, activate it with the provided SIM card, and then you can just swap it out for any other SIM card, be that from Mobistar, Proximus or Base. The other providers all have 3G data plans. Proximus even has instructions on it's site how to configure your Mobistar 3G iPhone for their network. Then again, any 3G data package is incredibly expense.

On the up side, Mobistar is now accepting 'unlocked/illegal' 1st gen iPhone's in its recycling program. Meaning you'll get €170 ($270) back for your 1st gen 8GB iPhone when you buy a new phone at one of their stores.

It's expensive, but on the other hand you can buy it unlocked and use it with a pre-paid card. Making it relatively 'cheap' compared to buying it with a steep plan for 24 months.

jannikolaas

I think that what is emerging is something quite interesting: Cost of living in the USA is much more reasonable. You can get a burger for $0.99. Try to get anything for under a Euro anywhere in Europe. The same is true with our phones, our plans and even European cars. It costs less to buy a BMW in the US than in Europe. So ATT is not so bad after all as opposed carriers around the world. Verizon is better for plans but they don't have the iPhone. That was ATT's coup and gamble and its paying off.

altus

@ianmac47: Uhm, the price?
If you're in the US, it would be cheaper to buy the phone ($199) sign up for a plan and cancel it ($36+$175+$70) = $480. and then unlock it using pwnage tool.

hypnotik_jello

AT&T 3G is not what people think it is, it's still slow as hell, you tube videos still look blurry as hell on the 3G iphone, i don't think is worth the $15 extra a month seriously, i love the iphone but after playing with my wife new 3G unit, i'll stick with my old one for a bit longer i think

snitch29

@strider_mt2k: and beer.

danger the pirate

@Half off all shafts!: LOL.

I still hate Rogers, even if they did introduce that promo pricing after everyone complained. And Belgium, holy crap, almost a GRAND for the 16GB? Insane.

chrstphr

If they don't charge this much for the iPhone (and cap data), the terrorists will win.

Samifumi

@ianmac47: Seconded. Someone enlighten us

bjarkebech

@mendo: you sir are correct! You win the prize of having that knowledge while you live out your life among those bastards.

atuck

What stops the rest of the world from going to Belgium and buying unlocked phones to use back in their home countries?

ianmac47

For the record I'm not a fan of rogers. But my plan will be this

$25 for voice (unlimited incoming, rogers to rogers, weekends, evenings, with 100 WD minutes)
$15 for VVM, Call Display, 2500 text, whocalled (sends texts from missed calls while phone is off)
$30 for 6GB

Its not REALLY more for VVM, because its included in a call display text package. At least for me, thats perfect.

I don't love the 3 years, and its not a GREAT plan by any means, but its not terrible anymore either.

kosikutioner

I can't prove it, but i believe Rogers is responsible for the SARS outbreak.

Half off all shafts!

I wonder which countries have the best plans?

Yeebles

@Hiphopopotamus: Be cool man.
they do great chocolate.

strider_mt2k

Finally, those %*($ing Belgians will get whats coming to them. Am I right, folks?

Hiphopopotamus

Any attack made by the Rebels against this axis would be a useless gesture, no matter what technical data they've obtained.

Kaiser-Machead's Chips Ahoy!

You should take a look at the Italian fares. Expensive with 600MB/month and few to zero minutes & SMS.

And it still sold out: sometimes I think we live in a world packed with stupid people...

mendo

Awesome job on the frowny-faced flag buttons.

Puck

In Denmark you only get 300 megs with your iPhone. Shit deal, considering it costs 1.200$ after subsidies. No caps though

bjarkebech

@kosikutioner: I think the $3500 is a deterrent for anybody asking. It's a price so high nobody will buy, but I've heard this out the Rogers employee mouth several times.

BTW, anybody knows how to monitor usage statistics on Rogers? Their website makes it impossible.

Kareem King

In Belgium, phone calls you (then screws you without lube)!

IndustrialJones

@grundy: YouTube Videos look crappy over 3G and when you're on wifi it looks so much better. Try it out yourself and you'll see. The same theory can be said about the "MLB - At Bat" program. It seems that its not a specific program but some way where the iPhone degrades video quality over 3G. I wish there was a way to change this.

pdditty

@cheechitup88: so your friend wasn't eligible for an upgrade and your friend was being an asshat for someone who was just telling him what was what

don't blame rogers for telling you what they have to do and your friend being an asshat cause he thinks it's unfair

cleverlymadeup

@wolfshades: Yea absolutely. I mean, I agree there are still better plans around the world, but that says more about the state of Canadian cell phone carriers than it does JUST about rogers.

I am not defending rogers, because I still don't care for them... but I also did just get $100 credit on my account because I called up to inquire about my more than average iphone cost (it was going to be 349/449 because I hup'ed last may.) So they are in my good books for a little while.

@Kareem King: Yea evenings/weekends start at 9. But this is the plan I was on previously and it serves me perfect. I have never had any extra voice charges and never been 'careful' with using my minutes, just used as I need. Only extra voice has been LD... but yea.

kosikutioner

Beer too, of course! :D

strider_mt2k

@jorvay:

Isn't it every TWO years you get an upgrade from Rogers? If it was annual, I wouldn't nearly hate them as much. The only reason I'm with them still is because I have a decent rate with decent features, no more contract to worry about, and because they're the only ones that I pull reception off of everywhere I'm always at.

.Trenchant.

iPhone in Norway.

8GB 2$ with a 12 month 220$ pr month fee total of 12 months: 2640$
16GB 178$ with a 12 month 220$ pr month fee total of 12 months: 2816$

bu11etman

@Kareem King: About the insurance or deposit? that is the stores fault/choice. Not rogers. Even Rogers Plus are privately owned and run. One I went to said you needed to stay on for 7 months or face penalties from them, above and beyond rogers. I'm not saying that isn't rogers fault for allowing them to do that.. but still...

Also, gonna call you on $3500 for un contracted. They aren't selling them without yet. So... yea.

But yea, they are out of stock themselves, like calling rogers can't get you a 16 GB either. And no stores in the GTA have them, a district manager told me the other day.

kosikutioner

I agree those plans s*ck but 769kps in NYC. Come one AT&T step up to the plate! That's a bad day on my local cell sites. I get anywhere from 650kbps to 2.6Mbps with the average being around 1.2Mbps.

gedster314

@kosikutioner: Doesn't evenings and weekends start at 9PM on that plan?

Kareem King

@kosikutioner: I'm with you on this one. All I'm paying extra for each month here in Canada is $30 for the data - which I consider fair. The phone package stays the same - which is good for me. And as for the three years? Well presently there are no other companies supporting the iPhone 3G so that's a no-brainer. Yes I'm locked in but if I wasn't? I'd be paying through the roof for data.

Yes, Rogers' initial "plans" sucked lemons. But (and I keep saying this) I'm astounded that they actually listened to their customers' complaints and acted on it. I'm even more amazed that so many of us (me included) originally expressed open outrage at the start. It's good to see. Maybe us Canadians aren't as "nice" as the world used to think we were. My national self-esteem is restored. (Hell, any drive out on the highway will put that myth to shame anyway. Cut someone off and watch them give you the national middle finger salute....)

wolfshades

we've had many people bitch about the plans here in Mexico, somehow I dont find them all that abusive but that is just me

45 dllrs gives you:

200 minutes
100 Mb
100 sms

59 dllrs
300 minutes
150 Mb
150 sms

79 dllrs
400 minutes
200 Mb
200 sms

and you can add unlimited data (that is limited after the 3gb) for 57 dllrs

so... yeah i think ours is a bitch also

oh right, PLUS iPhone

Ranges from 350 and 450 on the lowest plan and 70 and 200 on the highest one

so yeah, u think those countries got it bad?

blackroseyagami

A memeber of Parliament in Ottawa (Ontario, Canada) is trying to curb the consumer rape from phone companies in Canada with new laws limiting the "extra fees" and forcing them to make bill statements clearer. SUPPORT BILL C-555!!!

Margatron

We down here in Brazil will prob get screwed HARD by the 4 carries down here (just one is confirmed, "Claro" but it's not a exclusivity deal, and the others announced that they have plans to bring iPhone to here to.) Thx to brazillian laws, iPhones must also be unlockable after 2 months within a contract/purchase, even if you stay with the contract.( So you can use other sims from other carriers also)

laio

Apropos of nothing, current wait times to get an iPhone in NYC:

5th Ave store: 3.5 hours
Soho store: 4 hours
14th St store: 5-7 hours

Maybe it's worth it to buy in another country if you can avoid standing in line for a day of your life. Of course, maybe the lines are just as long overseas.

Astigmatism

Simple solution: dont get an iphone.

dicknervous

@Kareem King: Well maybe, I dunno. But I've heard from people that they aren't eligible and its $649 too... Which makes a little more sense on my 349/449 quote

There's so much rumor going around.

kosikutioner

@Kareem King: re: monitoring data usage....

You can monitor that directly on the iPhone.

wolfshades

@benjello: Not true. Your ability to access the $30 deal ends in August. But you'll have that price for the life of your 3-year contract.

wolfshades

nevermind... i read the belgium one and thought it was the spanish one...

Waka in Japan

i haven't read all the comments, but it's "movistar" not "mobistar"

Waka in Japan

@hypnotik_jello: buy fone, cancel and unlock with pwnage tool and then do what? Move to T-Mobile? Or perhaps use an iPhone without a data plan? No thanks.

sisya

@bu11etman:
yepp en for the price of 220$ per month you get 1gb of data, 1000 minutes of talktime and 1000 sms. or you could pay 110$ and get unlimited data, put pay for every minute and sms you send.. The crazy thing is that in Norway this isn't really that expensive! I have used around 200$ per month on my cell phone the last 6 months anyway..

krisve

Well, Sonera's prices for Nokialand are also a joke. Looks like they put the prices to favor Nokia phones or something... The packets are 100, 250 or 1000 min/SMS/MB with monthly fees from $50 to $150. And the phone (8G in the example) costs from $250 to $1. Nevertheless, you'll end up with the most expensive phone calls in Finland and crippled data with monthly maximum of 3GB (Sonera can limit data access after that) and $2 per 1MB for any data that goes over the plan. Guess how soon one hits that with the "Small" option which includes a whopping 100MB of data per month... And no, no visual voicemail here.

Luckily Sonera's much cheaper brand Tele Finland seems to work flawlessly on the iPhone even though the device should be locked to an operator. It seems that Sonera and TF are the same when it comes to network aspects, after all TF is just a brand of Sonera. Luckily they haven't separated the brands in any other way than pricing and visuals. One can simply get the iPhone with subscription sans any plans, pay the $3 per month for two years, get the phone for around $680 and use Tele Finland's cheap enough subscription without even unlocking the damn thing. Total price: about $760. I'm not sure if that's completely legal but so what? That "hack" is good enough for me.

atheos

@blackroseyagami: Yeah we got cheaper iphones if you go fot the expensive plan...but i was thinking of buying one with the unlimited data plan...but i didn't knew that it wasn't that unlimited, 3GB what a piece of shit telcel is.

Mike918

@Hiphopopotamus: Go to Belgium, have the beer, change your mind. They should have free iphones that stuff is so good.

meefer

@.Trenchant.: I just checked my Rogers account online and it says that I'll be eligible for a hardware upgrade on a date exactly one year after I signed my contract. Maybe that's only available for new signers (I switched from another provider).
Still, there's no way in hell I will. from here on out, it's all about milking my phone until it dies, then replacing it with something unlocked. up-front cost is worth it...even if none of the Rogers data plans work with unlocked phones.

jorvay

@cheechitup88: Wow, what bastards.

benjello

iPhone in EV-DO CDMA!!!!

benjello

@wolfshades: Their plans still suck... Voice, Data, CallerID and SMS should be unlimited for $30 to $45... Voice Plan's $30 for 250 daytime, evenings and weekends starting at 6pm. If Telus & Bell can do it, why can't Rogers?

Because, Rogers is full of poop.

benjello

I can tell you right now that Israel is going to get mega-boned. they always do when it comes to non-Israeli stuff!!

Ryanraven

@wolfshades: And for those after that deadline? 400mb Data package... Rogers is ballz... they'll gouge wherever and whenever they can. There are holes in all of their plans to exploit.

@Ryan H: Exactly, when they decide to change it, they will and they'll have a small, little, almost invisible blurb buried in their website about it.

No thanks, I'll wait for some competition to crop up, and then for Rogers to fallout with Apple. Just a matter of waiting another year or so... I don't need an iPhone that badly.

benjello

@wolfshades:
Unless they cancel the plan six months from now. After all, Rogers is the only compatible carrier in Canada. If they cancel the special plan you have the choice of signing a new 3 year plan with them or getting a new phone.

Ryan H

With the 6GB plan for $30 I am almost tempted to go with Rogers.

The only thing that is stopping me is that I just don't trust the bastards. I have a vision of them canceling all the special data plans six months from now. Sure, it would give you reason to break the contract with no fee, but Rogers is the only compatible carrier in Canada, so you are stuck with them.

If they were making this a permanent plan I would be a little happier, but with it only available for a limited time I can't see them honoring it very long.

Ryan H

@Ryan H: You are definitely not alone in that sentiment. I'm almost at the end of my contract(how it ever seemed like a good idea to me to sell my soul for 3 years for a mid-range SE phone is beyond me)and there's just no way I'd buy another subsidized phone.

What bothers me is that there's not even an option to pay $900 for the thing, walk out the door and be left alone. Not that I have $900 to throw around, but a lot of people do. If I were an Apple fan-girl I would be jumping at the opportunity if offered.

I'm not even sure if that's Apple or Rogers' fault.

femstix

New Zealand: The biggest data allowance you can get is 1GB/month. Sign up for that (for two years) and the iPhone only costs NZ$200 (currently NZ$1 = US$0.75) .. but you pay NZ$250/month for your contract (that's US$190 if you're following at home).

The cheapest option is NZ$80/month which gets you 250MB/month but the iPhone costs around NZ$700..

Repton

just wait to see the brazilian carrier...

AndersonBMX

I bought a white iPhone, I live in Belgium.

No food for me the next 3 months :-)

palatinus

I was told the phone was 249 with a 35 dollar voice plan and 199 with a 25 dollar voice plan.... wtf? I think the rogers guy was trying to rip me off! I am in Canada.

warden1337

Rogers don't even care about their actual clients!
- When you're with Rogers, you can get an upgrade every year.
- Assuming the upgrades are equally distributed around the year, 66% of the actual clients got an upgrade between Sep. 1st 2007 and April 29th 2008 (date at which Rogers announced an agreement with Apple).
- The 6GB offer ends August 31st.
- We do a little math and Voila, 66% of the actual Rogers clients can't get the 6GB offer, which is the more interesting for someone who already has a good Voice Plan.

I've been with them for 8 years with a 75$+ monthly bill. I canceled my account yesterday when the representative told me that I would need to pay the full iPhone Price ($699), and still sign for three years to get the 6GB offer. Canceling that contract is costing me $400; I guess you can imagine my anger.

nicmorno

I live in London, Ontario, Canada. The sales guy at Masonville Mall Rogers plus told me the iphone was 249! if you wanted the 25 dollar voice plan. And it was only 199 if you bought a 35 dollar voice plan! wtf!

warden1337

@cleverlymadeup: The point isn't what happened. The point is 700$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is all

cheechitup88

@femstix:
Well, any option for an unlocked phone doesn't make much sense in Canada. Rogers/Fido is the only GSM carrier. It's the lack of a one or two year contract that bothers me.

Ryan H

Telcel (México) has the 16GB iphone at 240 bucks and a 75USD monthly fee with 200MB of data... if you want unlimited is about another 50-60 bucks.

Same two year contract.

Falsoman

@blackroseyagami: I agree totally, Mexico should've been on this list too. And btw it also limits your speed when you reach 3GB on the unlimited plan. It sucks.

gcapet

to everyone complaining about Rogers' gouging.....there is an alternative in Canada. Fido does in fact ofer the iPhone AND also has the $30 6gb plan. They also offer per second billing, 7pm evening on all E/W plans, no $35 activation fee and same coverage as rogers.

And in case you forgot or didn't know, Rogers owns them!

One last thing: Rogersx quietly introduced the same $30/6GB data plan for other devices. So if you want a Blackberry or WinMo device you can have the same data option.

tomcat24

I'm in NYC and your speed all depends on signal strength(obviously). I've easily gotten over 1.2mbps in Midtown, but on the Upper West Side I can hardly get 3G coverage in my apartment. Same goes when you head off to Long Island. ATT's rollout of 3G is far from complete in NYC, and probably everywhere else, that's for sure. 3G coverage in NYC doesn't even compare to ATT's Edge coverage, though I guess that's somewhat expected.

youngcap

@Astigmatism:

In Europe there are no lines, because the IPhone was sold out a few hours after launch. I am in Germany and I am lucky if I can get one this week (I am on a waiting list).

I have read that online orders ins Belgium have delivery dates around November because they dont get enough phones.

Its probably the same in most European countries.

Gacel

lol ! here in Costa Rica we pay bout $7 for an unlimited crapy 15kbps data plan, but heck its 7 bucks and unlimited !
Theres 1 only operator in the country and its one of the cheapest of the world.

Mannyatic

I live in Belgium :( This sux and I am seriously considering boycotting it even though I really want one. Ridiculous considering how great the plans are in Germany less than an hour away. And even though the phone is 'unlocked' in Belgium, it will still only work on one of the three Belgian carriers. So it's not really unlocked at all...

acoom

Canada's 'new $30/6gb' offering isn't bad at all. If it's true that AT&T's 'unlimited data' is capped at 5gb.

disgruntleddesigner

For those of you who did not know -- Use your Amex cards to buy the iPhone or any electronics. They match the manufacturers' warranty. Apple's is 1 year and it includes the battery. So using Amex means you're battery insured for 2 years. Other cards also may offer rewards like this. But I know of only Amex.

sisya

I think you also forgot the Australian plans, which are utterly pathetic.

poedgirl

Ted Rogers can suck a dick.
thanx... i needed to say that

Fatty

wow didnt know att had a cap to there unlimited plans. im with tmobile i will wiat for there 3g and iphone competing device and buy that. i refuse to pay so much money for something thats not worth it. and when you get a unlimited data plan with tmobile there are no limits its really unlimited, and they all cost 19.99 for all the devices so i will deal with edge until then not only that the way tmobile is launching there 3g not only will it be more reliable but it is suppose to be pretty fast 1.5 mb is ok with me.

charger08

Canada's actually isn't all that bad. The three year contract is completely ridiculous, but the money isn't all that bad. I found a way to get all I could need for under $60.
Belgium, though... that sucks.

pardyhardy

oh and phone-prices range from 249€/395$ for the cheapest plan and 16 GB phone to 1€/1,50$ for the more expensive plans

link: [www.t-mobile.de]

11010010

GERMANY

t-mobile made better plans than the last generation of iphones, but still sucky:

S - 29 €/46$
- 500MB datacap
- 50 mins (more: 29 €cent/46 $cent)
- no free sms

M - 49 €/77$
- unlimited data, speedcap after 300 MB, goes down to 64/16kbit !!!!
- 100 mins free (more: 29 €cent/46 $cent)
- 40 free sms

L - 69 €/110$
- unlimited data, speedcap after 1GB, goes down to 64/16kbit !!!!
- 200 mins free (more: 29 €cent/46 $cent)
- 150 free sms

XL - 89 €/141$
- unlimited data, speedcap after 5GB, goes down to 64/16kbit !!!!
- 1000 mins free (more: 9 €cent/14 $cent)
- 300 free sms

especially the minute-prices for additional minutes are horrid, and the speed-cap to ISDN-speed is just stupid..

11010010

I'm in Vancouver BC, and I signed with Fido. I was told the same thing, regarding the $50 price hike on the iPhone - if you buy a plan that costs less than $30/m, the iPhone is an extra $50. Sounds ridiculous to me, but I did see it printed on their iPhone product sheet.

Did anyone else get charged a deposit through Fido or Rogers? I was charged $100 for a deposit and was told I'd get it back via credit on my bill in one year, and this was done so "people didn't just buy the phone then cancel their contract". Huh?

Kimli

In Spain the iPhone 3g is not sold yet. It only is sold to some cities, I am from Las Palmas de Gran Canaria, the 6th city of the country, and here there are not iphones 3g yet.

aitorch

F it, I love the iPhone but I'm cancelling my Telcel contract and Going to Nextel, all of my contacts are using PTT so no use in paying Telcel, rumor has it inside Telcel that they will sell it in the "Amigo system" wich is prepaid for like 800 or 900 dlrs

blackroseyagami

Why complain about your amazing deals?
In our great nation of New Zealand, (which is apparantly the first in the world to recieve this monstrosity), we can only get the iphone with a 2 year deal that is 250$ per month. Thats $6199 for the basic 3g iphone. And why are you worried about 50mbps unlimited interweb?
We have been the victim of privatisation and so the interweb over here is 10mbps and 10gbs per month.

y0urfriend