I don't think the problem is that the PS3 software and hardware teams had some weird synergy disconnect, I think the problem may have been that the console was priced WAY too high, featured WAY too little in terms of killer titles, and was relied WAY too much on merely improving the graphics of already existing parameters.

There was also the problem of the paradigm-shifting device called the Wii, which completely disrupted what had been the natural order of things. Microsoft has dodged it by successfully turning the XBox into a tivo-like set top media PC, but I haven't seen that kind of positioning from Sony, even though their console is a next-gen Blu-Ray player.

Marcelo

This is all something I've literally been saying for years.. and then fanboys start to throw things at me.

G for GRENADE

@Playstation: I like my Vista, and Vista PLUS my XBox 360's = total win. I'm watching live television on my 360. I get a game invite from a friend. I hit the record button on my media remote. Jump into the game with my friend. Then when I'm done, go right back to my TV show right where it left off. What's not to love?

robinandtami

I'm seriously thinking about a 360.

I just wish the PS3 didn't look so damned big. A redesign would greatly boost PS3 sales. If the PS2 didn't get a RADICAL redesign to the slim, it might not have moved a fuckton of units.

I really can't stand the PS3 design. It's too big for my tastes.

CutePuppyz

Well its good they are thinking about the future, i.e. ps4. It's going to come eventually but just cuz they are planning for it doesnt meant its coming next year. They'll continue to fix the current problem on this console for at least several more years (they're not stupid - they need to make their money back as much as possible), while building a list of best practices and mistakes on ps3 and will incorporate them into ps4 - all is well and good.

tulanejosh

@Originalas: I don't think PS3 is homosexual in any shape or form? Easy on your word usage.....it's offensive.

Jimbuck

Sounds like Creative and Logitech - love the hardware, but virtually every piece of software that I've ever used that was bundled with it has been ass-tastic.

scrag

I like Sony products, almost everything at my home is sony from TV to camcoder ant etc. but PS3 is total sucker, cuz the blue-ray. :/

Originalas

Well, I do hope the fix the PS3 first. I would hate to see them just drop it and move on to the next. The only real problem I have with the PS3's software, is that it still suffers the same horrible load times that the PS2 had. With the hardware it has under the hood, they should be near instant. Thats the main reason I prefer My xboxs, and continue to buy multi-platform releases on the 360, even if the graphics aren't as nice on a particular game.

Shifty203

This is nothing new for Sony, they have always had this problem. If you look in their broadcast division for example they completely threw away that market because they failed to turn their software and market lead into anything more than an also ran because the hardware guys at sony ran the show, insisting that the money was in the tapes used by their cameras and pro tape decks. Guess what sony hardware... we don't need tapes, and we haven't for years, get over it.

Everything at Sony is about software, from phones to games to even movies, its all about the software and in the overwhelming presence of that fact, they still act like a hardware company focused on selling the latest prorpriatary tape format.

earthling

@ProSeven: it could be hacked, but what's the point to download 50GB pirated game images? and even then you still need a PC blue-ray disc burner which cost hell a lot..

The biggest mistake is gay blue-ray! :))

Originalas

There's no doubt that Sony has better hardware and MS has much better software. The question is, would you rather deal with hardware that breaks occasionally, or software that is broken every single day.

Take for instance, simple updates and demo downloads. On the 360, you download a demo and the install is completely invisible. You just hit the download button, and when the download reaches the end of the bar, it's done and playable. On the PS3, you wait through the demo download, and THEN there's an install process that seems to take longer than the whole download took. System updates are even worse. You download the update, scroll through a user agreement, accept, wait again, wait, what day is this, what was I doing, reboot, oh yeah, I wanted to go to the Playstation store but I had to do an update first. On the 360; you download the update, the machine automatically reboots, and you are done.

Then there's the networking on the PS3. I usually have to attempt to sign in a few times before it actually signs me in, and then it doesn't keep me signed in, and I have to sign in again to get into the store. I get a lot of DNS errors. Then EVERY single time I try to stream something, I get a pop-up in the right hand corner saying I have a DLNA error. The content keeps playing, but that annoying pop up just keeps popping every 45 seconds or so.

robinandtami

@Ariel_Wollinger: Alright. Your distaste for Sony is evident. We don't need 5 posts to get your point.

Jimbuck

Of course PS3.. or wait, when it comes to Playstation, it would never be enough for you guys. Every PS3 related good news is always a bad news for you guys.

The funny thing you xboters on the other side of life bashing M$ for their Vista. And now you worship them like crazy. Well talking about hypocrite.

Playstation

Why even bring up PS4? You make me worry Giz. I love my PS3.

Jimbuck

The nice thing about the PS3 is that with the Proc and HDD, firmware updates can make it a lot better though and fix it.

Hand_O_Death

@ProSeven: Yeah. That way people can test games to see if they suck or not. If not, they buy it, if they suck, they don't. Right?

Ariel_Wollinger

@ProSeven: those pesky dual layer Blue ray disks!

Ariel_Wollinger

@ProSeven: LOL!
Mine just had a RRoD... Damm first gen Elite

Ariel_Wollinger

That explains so much. The fact that the hardware guys did that in the first place would explain why the hardware design cost Sony so much money in the beginning.

videoCWK

How can they even think about PS4 at this point? If they don't turn it around, fast, on the PS3 I'm afraid they won't have a leg to stand on going into next-next gen.

PS3 = Dreamcast?

Time will tell. And I really do want a reason to buy a PS3, something that i can't get out of my 360 and Wii.

ZeeBeeEss

@jak0b: We will never see a game like GOW on the PS3. Take MGS4, it was supposed to be über game ( graphic-wise ) , but it wasn't. Previous demos showed a more beautiful game. No anti aliasing is very noticeable in the cemetery scene. It would be great to see a PS3 made with tools as good as those available to 360 developers.

Ariel_Wollinger

So I wonder how Apple didn't make that mis-step. Or did they - or do they just keep making it in either direction so that the mis-step in one direction gets cancelled quickly by mis-stepping in the other.

Hmmm - our Apple rep says that they make computers. Our Apple tech guy says that they make software.

socalboomer

I'm still waiting for the PS9

+ Watch video

SpeneyG

I'll tell you what went wrong with it. The PS3 can't run pirated games. The XBOX 360 can, as can Wii.

ProSeven

Well they know how to make blu-ray players at least. I just wish games weren't its secondary function.

Metkis

we hope so. Programming for PS3 sucks ass. And the memory...

Ariel_Wollinger

OMG! why are we allready talking about PS4? :O
We still haven't seen the PS3 full potential!

jak0b

@ZeeBeeEss:
1 word: LittleBigPlanet

hehe..

aR-Tard

Sony's UIs have always stank, their point and shoots, their TVs, Camcorders, ect I have not had a chance to use an Alpha DSLR by sony but there probably is 5 button pushes involved before you can actually take a picture. That being said, their hardware has always been rock solid, at least for me. My Playstation 1 never died, my release day PS2 still runs, my PS3 is great, i had a sony point and shoot that was built like a tank and took pretty good pictures. Sony just needs to get their act together on their UIs and they will be fantastic.

oddgit

@Shifty203: isn't the graphics usually better on the 360?

Ariel_Wollinger

@Jimbuck: I happen to have a ps1 first gen ,a ps2 and a PSP. I don't dislike sony, well, I do now, after it lied so much to us customers:
1- showing pre rendered videos to promote gran turismo 3
2- adding a picture of gran turismo mobile for psp in the packing of the psp and not realiing it after 3 freaking years
3- making a crippled videogame like the ps3.

Well, now I dislike sony.

Ariel_Wollinger

lul ps4 what a joke...

Ferg1

I don't think that he is saying that they are already working on the PS4 he is more kinda saying that they already know how to start when they get to it.

Mike918

@Ariel_Wollinger: making a crippled videogame like the ps3?

No wonder, I saw my PS3 walked out of my room crippled.. this explains. I should return this to sony. Thanks

Playstation

The PS3 has been out almost two years.
I'm sure as sh*t glad to hear them talking about pre-development and that they will work to fix past problems.
IMO eight years is cutting it fine to get the programmers and the hardware peeps to work on a single-solution (although building for a UI sounds a lot like Microsoft).
On another note - I doubt highly that within a Japanese company (sony) one department would blame another for their short-commings. That's workplace suicide (in Japan). So my guess is Tretton is talking out of his @ss.

mattius

@Ariel_Wollinger: Actually XP with Media Center 2005 will work for this as well. You just need a tuner card and Media Center on your PC, and you have COMPLETE DVR function from any 360 in your home.

robinandtami

That's why XBOX360 is a lot better... software development and pulling in good hardware that will complement it. not the other way around. when the PS3 was being created, there was so much news about the cell processor and how great it will be and blah blah blah... well, if nobody knows how to reach it's potential, then it's gonna be useless!

chopstickhero

@Hand_O_Death: I was not aware that the 360's default lack of a HDD prevented it from partaking in firmware updates? Like the bi-annual ones they've been doing since launch, except this Spring that they skipped? Or did you mean something else, and I misunderstood?

Geoffrey

@socalboomer: Do you remember the 90s? Yeah, that was Apple's misstep.

N@tedog

They have stated they will skip number 4 and market the PS5 in the future version of the console.

mrnako

Isn't this "silo" problem the exact same problem that Sony has been completely and explicitly aware of with everything they have done over the last 10 years.

I swear they are worse than government agencies, every two years it's all "The problem is that we can't get the departments to communicate with each other and we are getting ready to restructure in a way to address this more effectively for the future."

I'm surprised they aren't in talks with Michael Chertoff to be their next CEO.

92BuickLeSabre

Was BR that important to Sony as to cripple the next gen gaming system (late and expensive)? I hope BR turns out to be worth the expense. They should offer a non BR system for cheap. BR won't take off until cheaper discs come out. They're hurting PS3 market share for BR sales that will never come.

BiZarRroBALlmeR

geez ps4 already..... anybody remember the company called sega!!!!!!!!! 8 bit system competed with nintendo 8bit then sega had segacd then a few more geez.... you ask me
the best console at one time was the Pansonic 3DO live
1994 and this what 2008 and its still working whats that tell you guys... quality in consoles are no more. so what they are good for 1-3 yrs tops? and how stupid does sony think consumers are.. for example the blueray player sells for at time 399.00 geez buy a ps3 with blueray....da

usntom

@Ariel_Wollinger: Please work on your grammar and then come back when you can think of something better to flame Sony with. The graphics are not usually better on the 360, the PS3 is not a crippled video game (its a video game CONSOLE!), and MGS4 does look "uber game (graphics wise)", or whatever that means.

marm0lade

@jak0b: Yeah, it's potential to suck has not been fully realized. I bet it can suck harder.

Zlevee

@Ariel_Wollinger: correction : releasing it.

Ariel_Wollinger

@robinandtami: I didn't know you could do this! I got to install vista on my pc.

Ariel_Wollinger

@CutePuppyz: The reason the PS3 is so big is because they built the power supply right into the system. The console itself is only a little bigger than the 360, but the 360 has an external power supply.

t7bros

@socalboomer: Apple always believed that the hardware and software are one. Heck, if you can't get a user to work out where hardware stops and software starts, then maybe there is a closer relationship than some people would accept.

twilight-arc

And if you REALLLLY need to hate someone for something stupid, like which console(s) they own, head to icanhascheezburger.com and troll anyone who uses lolspeak. That's a cause at least worth fighting for.

MastaFalse

Oh a bashin' we will go
A bashin' we will go
Hi ho Gizmodo
A bashin' we will go

draconis1492

@MastaFalse: Compared to the 360 and Wii it IS doing poorly.

BostonPimpDaddy

@Agent-199: Sony is too huge to fall like Sega. But the PS3 has definitely failed. Anyone who says otherwise is in denial. Funny when you talk about the PS3 with people it's basically talk of a BR movie player, NOT a videogaming console or even a media center.

BostonPimpDaddy

Speaking of baseball teams, mine's the Cubs. Does that offend you too?

MastaFalse

I love how people think the PS3 is doing so poorly. And, for the record, I love mine. People need to treat their consoles like consoles, and not a fuckin' baseball team.

MastaFalse

The PS3 is failing for the same reasons the PS2 won LOL
During the PS2 timeframe, the PS2 was the least powerful console. The GameCube was better graphically(RE4), and the Xbox was more powerful than both of them. Yet, the PS2 got ALL the great game titles.

Fast forward to today. The 360 has all the best games. Apparently Sony didn't learn anything. People have grown to dislike Sony, see rootkit fiasco and other blunders. The whole BR bullying over HD ticked off some other people as well.

As I've stated before
If you want to play video games get a 360
If you want to play BR movies get a PS3
If you want to exercise get a Wii

:)

BostonPimpDaddy

Sounds a lot like what happened with the Sega Saturn -- big hardware changes without the reach around to the software guys to make the best games....and look what happened to Sega after that.

Agent-199

First off: the only people with the audacity to insult Blu-Ray are the people who don't have a home theater system capable of displaying it.
Second: GOW III. Release date is still TBA, but TBA is better than nothing. PS3's game line up is starting to show up. Square Enix is working hard. Final Fantasy XIII will call upon its followers and sales will skyrocket.
Third plays on First: Why do Blu-Ray discs and players cost so much? Not solely because they're trying to recover costs of a format war, but because they're marketing them to a different crowd. They want you to own a PS3 or a Blu-Ray player with a big screen tv, and surround sound, so you can take full potential of it. PSP is Sony's system to saturate the market. PS3 is it's luxury product. You don't buy a new BMW and park it in the projects. And accessories on a BMW aren't cheap either.

mrtallbones

@BostonPimpDaddy: Huh? The pace of sales of the PS3 is the same as PS2. You can't call PS2 a failure. The EXPECTATIONS were higher for the PS3 and has failed to live up to that. Me thinks you are being drama-queen-ish.

berribrand

are they going to build a console whichs SKU lasts more than 6 months and doenst get stripped down?

ibunkun

"...development on the sure-to-be-upcoming PlayStation 4"

ackthbbft

and why is it that the 360 users feel the need to keep telling that they have a better game system? I mean... its not like that makes you cooler. Its been out longer than the ps3 so theres more functionality, and ps3 keeps adding stuff (like the video downloads and in-game XMB)and i've never been playing mine and said "man i wish this were an xbox"

shorty6049

In this case, the hardware guys developed the console fairly independently then dumped it onto the software guy's lap, effectively saying "do something with it."

Like the PS2 was any different. Pure hype helped it sell. Like the second coming.

sxr7171

@oddgit:

the Alpha DSLRs are awesome. I like my ps3 too, but my alpha only takes one button push to take a picture, and the menu system is probably the most intuitive on the market right now.

shorty6049

@mattius: I'm just amazed that Tretton would finally turn around and start being humble, and addressing the HUGE problems that have existed with the PS3.

- It costs too much.
- It touts features like Cell and BluRay which are irrelevant to this generation of gaming.
- It is a pain to develop for
- Sony made 10^2834992348 promises about the PS3 which they could not keep.
- It took a year longer to get to market than X360, with no perceivable gaming benefit.

It's a refreshing change from the usual "Impenetrable Wall of Arrogance" that is Sony's PR.

ludwigk

Nintendo was the only company to make a console this generation and they are reaping the rewards.

Sony and MS both made computers. Hard drive installs,networking and constant updates separate them the previous generation.

I can't believe that MS was willing to hurt the golden goose,windows gaming, for such a poorly performing product as the XBOX.

Techguy1138

i dont understand why companies still dont understand that nearly every tech device relies on good software. if the ui isnt good you wont get any us

zsleek7

@Ariel_Wollinger: It's not just Sony. You had a PS One, so you must remember the 64DD for N64 that was hyped up, then never released in the US, as well as Earthbound 64.

As for Microsoft... There were loads of good games that were in development for XBOX, that were just forced over to 360. Microsoft published it's last XBOX game 6 MONTHS before the 360 even was released. How's that for customer loyalty? They just kicked every XBOX owner in the groin, took their money, and handed them a broken console.

Reiji

@Ariel_Wollinger: complete BS.... youre referring to the game display screen??....and not the actual gameplay, which is quite impressive. Also try MGO with multiple players it looks as good if not better than GOW. I liked gears dont get me wrong, but very few xbox games reach this level of quality. Also as someone who plays UT3, which shares some similarity with Gears... I dont see how your idea has any merit. Gears would work on PS3...the graphical differences between the 2 systems are minor at best.

smitherssocal

I agree with people who have said that Sony's software is generally poor. I was given a Sony camcorder and the UI is terrible and the bundled software was some of the worst I've ever used (install - try - uninstall).

I think this obviously comes from their hardware-centric nature. This needs to change if they're going to provide a better customer experience. It might require some overhaul of their management with some younger blood coming in to replace people whose formative period was in the days when software was an after-thought.

LittleJon

@mrtallbones:
First - WHATEVER. Keep your elitest attitude to yourself. The regular Joe could care less about the differences between 720p and 1080p. HD TVs may be selling like hotcakes, but you don't see that happening with the medium.
Second - You can't be serious? You Sony fanboys have been saying this for how long now? By the time Sony has a wealth of library games for the PS3, the 360 and even the Wii will have wiped the floor in game sales. Already the 360 games sales are way ahead of the PS3. The PS3 is just TOO FAR BEHIND. Also last I checked FFXIII will be on the 360. OUch that has to hurt you Sony fanboys.
Third - Why are sales of BR movies so slim? Because no one is buying them and no one cares about your elitest mentality. Ask Sony if they want to target the masses or the elitest videophiles.

BostonPimpDaddy

@berribrand: No you mistook what I said. The PS2 was a SUCCESS. Sony didn't follow the same path the PS2, which was games games games.

BostonPimpDaddy

Of course there will be a PS4, and more for any product people are willing to wait for a week in a big box parking lot for a chance to buy. Sony was going to win Blueray, it was a sure bet. They lost the format wars with Beta to VHS and you know they were not going to lose it a second time.

Hello_Newman

wait, so this miscommunication btween hardware and software is just getting written off to the next gen?! by then people will laugh at the idea of console-exclusive material anyway...

dedalus987

@Techguy1138: "I can't believe that MS was willing to hurt the golden goose,windows gaming, for such a poorly performing product as the XBOX."

Poorly performing? The 360 has already sold ALMOST as many units as the XBox sold in the entirety of it's lifespan, and the 360 is only halfway through it's lifespan. That's hardly poor performance. Nobody, including MS probably, ever expected for the 360 to actually exceed the PS3 in total sales at the end of this generation; but they have definitely made up more ground this gen. I sincerely doubt Sony comes away with anywhere NEAR the 80% marketshare they had last gen.

robinandtami

BostonPimpDaddy, Nice things cost money, just because someone is willing to work hard and do what it takes to have nice thing's dose not make them an elitist, Sony see's itself as more like apple then dell, not to say one is better then the other but there are clear differences that are not easily explained to someone who has not truly experienced them, It's like trying to explain to someone years ago, About satellite, cable or even Tivo, Now Its blue ray, surround sound, and HDTV, Some People will always criticize others to justify denying themselves the things they desire, while others enjoy them, Like the PS3.

matt360

Sony has made software for years and years, they've just kinda sucked at it.

Well except for what they did with Palm OS. Clie's generally rocked.

strider_mt2k

Clearly the problem was backward compatibility. This is why Sonly is correcting their mistake by taking it out.

auroragb

Too address an Apple comment made earlier, Apple makes it its mission to insure that the software runs the way it should on the hardware it uses it on. It's well known that Apple Hardware and Apple Software are like two peas in a pod.

Now don't call me a Apple/Mac Fanboy because I run XP SP2 (haven't even updated to SP3 yet) and Ubuntu on a seperate partition, the only Apple product I have is a 2G iPod Nano . But I definitely will say OSX is extremely stable and definitely less error prone than Windows because of the fact that the software and hardware are both controlled.

Now onto the topic of the PS3, Sony has a track record of using new hardware for consoles that programmers are not familiar with and it started with the PS2 and it's "Emotion Engine" and don't give me no guff (lol I like that word) about the PS2 being all great and mighty because we didn't see it's true potential til very late in its life like God of War, MGS: 3 Snake Eater ect. it took programmers a VERY long time to perfect it, while other programmers saw how easy it was to develop games on the Xbox (which used an intel processor and an nvidia GPU, familar stuff none of this "emotion engine" shit.

Now here we are years later and back in a similar situation PS3 and it's "Cell" technology which is still very unfamiliar to programmers which probably makes it a bitch to develop games on. The Xbox 360 uses IBM PPC CPU and an ATI GPU (pretty run of the mill stuff). Sony needs to cut their shit and stop using newly developed, untested, technology and use stuff that programmers are familiar with and easy to develop games on.

For the record I had a PS3 for about 4 months and eventually sold it to a friend, great system, too many shortcomings for me. I'll probably buy it again when things finally smooth out and they come out with everything that my Xbox 360 already does.

Ricorich196

@Playstation: TRUE

kertesd

Remind me again why Sony won the HD format war...? Why did we trust this company at all after the CD root kit fiasco? We had HD-DVD in the palm of our collective hand, and we tossed it away why?

Oh yeah, because the PS3 was gonna be so awesome at games on top of HD movies; well, the movies would eventually be awesome after Sony introduced the final spec to match what HD-DVD had to begin with. Oh, and because of disk capacity. Yeah, that sweet, sweet disk capacity, because those multi-disk sets were sooo cumbersome, we had to have 50 gig disks.

Anybody who thinks PS3s are really great for playing movies in high-end theaters doesn't understand how a shelf-mounted PS3's turbine fan ruins the mise en scene.

Tysto

@ProSeven: Damn right buddy...
@Tysto: "Remind me again why Sony won the HD format war...?" mmm i think they won just a little battle... the actual war is not over and imo they will lose it against video streaming on demand...

Edi_bOMB

@Ariel_Wollinger: Of course :)

ProSeven

@Ariel_Wollinger: Actually, you still BUY the normal console, you just get it modded (read: Wii, Xbox 360, DS, PSP, PS2) hmmmm?

side

Don't forget using premature tech such as blu-ray speed X2.

cheesenuggets

"In short, they know what's wrong with the way they made the PS3, and they know how to fix it."

So does everyone else. MAKE SOME GODDAMN GAMES!!!

Cupajo

@Ricorich196:

WRONG!!!! That's why the PS2 lasted for so long. New technology. As far as I'm concerned, anyone that bought an Xbox was ripped off, as it was only an underpowered and non-upgradable PC in a box. The fact that SOny took a swing with new hardware in PS3 means, 1) they tooka risk, and risk takers are either big losers, or big winners (like the PS2), 2) that the PS3 will shine right about now when the 2nd and third 3rd generation games start coming out, and 3) I won't be worried about the PS3 being obsolete as fast as the Xbox-360 (which as far as I'm concerned, IS already obsolete, as it's again based on PC architecture that's already obsolete in it's PC counterparts).

"Now here we are years later and back in a similar situation PS3 and it's "Cell" technology which is still very unfamiliar to programmers which probably makes it a bitch to develop games on. The Xbox 360 uses IBM PPC CPU and an ATI GPU (pretty run of the mill stuff). Sony needs to cut their shit and stop using newly developed, untested, technology and use stuff that programmers are familiar with and easy to develop games on."

Gervy

Oh sure, blame the hardware guys... Its not their fault software teams across the globe are struggling to implement efficient multi-core architectures.

takoattack

@Tysto:

You're a bonehead. Yes, multi-disk sets were a pain in the ass (who wants to change a disc in middle of a movie?). Not to mention, PS3's are not that loud. Anyone setting up a decent home theater doesn't have the rack components right near the seating anyhow, or can sound proof with minimal effort and materials. Weak arguments dude.

Gervy

@BostonPimpDaddy:

I think this coming year is the year of the PS3. Right now, out of the entire library, there is about 5-7 games I'm actually interested in. But after watching demo's from E3, there are about 10 games I've added to my watch/wish list.

Between 1) programmers learning PS3, 2) programming getting easier for PS3 (I forgot the reason listed in a past article), and 3) programmers getting away from dark gritty uber-realistic (and thus, not fun) graphics, there are now some games out there to be released that look sick sick sick.

Gervy

@BostonPimpDaddy: The regular joe could care less about the differences between 720p and 1080p because they don't know the difference. HDTV's are selling like hotcakes because joe wants to keep up with fred down the street. Anyone that does their research will know what they need depending on how they intend to use it.
When sony has a wealth of library games for the PS3, I'll agree that the 360 will be way ahead in game sales. However, everyone with a 360 will be real happy with their copies of NBA, NFL, and NHL 2007, 2008, and 2009 that will have the amazing resale value of $5. Sony will have games that take the average player 60-100 hours to play through, and will have enough material in them to replay and replay and have entirely different experiences.
BR sales are so slim because theres still a format war going on, and the competition is cutting their prices to copmlete.
Finally, I think it's funny that your a 360 fan and calling ME an elite-ist. I don't see an "elite" version of the PS3 getting released because all the other versions suck.

mrtallbones

@Ariel_Wollinger: damm, stands...

Ariel_Wollinger

@marm0lade: you should work on your general culture for no knowing what über stads for.

Ariel_Wollinger

@Reiji: you are right, they all think about making money first. Now that Blue Ray won the HD video wars, I am actually considering getting one, although games cost upwards 130 dollars here in brasil ... Well, I could save and buy games when I go to the US, which is usually twice a year too...

@smitherssocal: I am refering to the graphics. I've played MGS4 in a full hd bravia tv and I wasn't impressed by the graphics. The gameplay is awesome, even though there are far too many cut-scenes and load times sucks ass. The aliasing is really an issue here. Lot's of jaggies. But the textures are not as good as those on Gears. The skin on the characters on MGS are not as good as on GOW, but maybe that is just an artistic decision, to make them smoother.
You guys remember when sony released the videos for PS3? Motorstorm for example, was all pre-rendered. It makes no sense using pre-rendered video to promote a game. We want to see how the game really looks like. And from what I remember and compared about multiplatform games , they looked better and the frame rate is usually higher on the 360. Well, it is not a perfect machine, far from it. Not having a native High def drive, RRoD in a considerable percentage of machines ( count mine on ) are just some of it's defects. But even that way I think it is better than promoting ficticious games ( GT mobile for example ) and promoting pre-rendered videos as in-game footage.
You guys remember Gothan Racing graphics being used by sony?

Ariel_Wollinger

@Gervy: i completely agree, think about it this way. While the xbox owners basically got shafted HALF A YEAR before the 360 came out, ps2 owners are still enjoying there system and making a gradual transition to the ps3. Sony thinks about the longevity of their products. And for u xbox fanboys, Final fantasy has never been "exclusive" to sony, remember the first games were on Nintendo systems, and they continuously make games for nintendo systems(man square enix gotta make their money too lol) Sony has the best hardware HANDS DOWN. and now that developers aren't so scared of the damn thing, or actually put effort into making games, the library will expand. We won't be having this discussion in 3 years when the 360 falls to the same fate as original xbox

So for all of you microsoft fanboys who says sony has no library... While you are getting pumped full of First Person Shooters i'll be playing LittleBigPlanet, InFamous, God of War 3, and DC universe Online.....have fun.

Bushido8

@marm0lade: And furthermore I'm not american, so bear with my minor grammar mistakes.

Ariel_Wollinger

@marm0lade: uuuu! she got pissed!

Ariel_Wollinger

Hardware matters some. I know three people who own 360s and combined they have had 5 RRODs. One of them broke down and bought a PS3 just so he knew he'd have a working system while his 360 was in the shop.

I think all of this "my console is better than your console" competition is kind of funny. I think it comes down to people hoping that the system they spent their hard earned money on doesn't end up getting left behind. News Flash - none of the current consoles are going to lose game support and development. In case you haven't noticed, console gaming is growing like crazy and is big money for everyone involved. There is plenty of room for shared love.

jcouvret

@jcouvret: I think most of these claims on the internets of RROD on the 360 are either by Sony fanbois who don't even own an XBox or by people who don't know how to take care of their hardware. If you stick your console on it's end in a bookshelf next to a big stack of D&D manuals with a couple empty pizza boxes on top well guess what? You're going to have heat management issues and you might get a hardware failure. I've had a 360 since shortly after launch and never had a single problem with it. Traded in a last year for an Arcade with the HDMI and haven't had a single problem out of that one either. Take care of your stuff like a grown up and you won't have any problems.

Cupajo

I just want my media streaming to work properly again, I haven't been able to view .avi files since I updated 2.41

AndriaEuryclea

@AndriaEuryclea:

Use a Media Server that supports transcoding.
I use Nero. WHich is ok, but not great.

Gervy

well this just stopped me from buying a PS3 as a BRDVD player...I guess I will buy it as a stand alone.

g2drummman

I think they should continue to fess up and eat another slice of humble pie too. They come across as exceedingly arrogant and unapologetic. (Still supporting DRM and what-not.)

jwt

The hardware team dumped the PS3 to the software team, which is why 360 is owning the PS3?

I have to disagree. I myself, wanted to wait to get a PS3, but not because of a hardware / software team mix up with Sony, but because, first, it got a delayed couple of times, and two, it came out with a $600 price tag.

Yeah, software had to do with it, but not dramatically.

That's what went wrong with the PS3. I'm now a Xbox 360 owner, which was a better decision in the long run.

LilTmac2004

I love how quick the xbots are to chime with "PS3 is dead long live 360!". Ok ps3 has roughly around 12 million console sales world wide with in it's life time of roughly two years. 360 has 19 million sales world wide in it's life time of roughly 3 years. Umm... I didn't know a system was failing if it was selling just as well if not better what do I know I must of been born in Bizarro land.

Also the 360 may be winning in the US, but in EU it's a stale mate but Sony has the edge, and in Japan 360 could crap out sex bots and it wouldn't sell better.

Considering Sony's catching up on MS after a years head start, winning two other territories.. yah i'd say the ps3 is done for alright. Now if you don't mind i'm going to play some CoD4 with people who didn't grow up watching teletubbies :P (sips from his wine glass full of milk)

Ninja-Mage

@Gervy: BS. The only movies I own that require you to change disks in the middle of the movie are the extended edition LOTR. Multi-disk sets are movies plus bonus disks or else television episodes; the number of two- and four-disk sets sold proves that it's NOT a big deal. And regarding noise; just Google "PS3 noise". When it's mounted on a shelf--as it is for many people with normal (non-million-dollar) home theaters--it gets very hot and very loud. None of my three DVD players made more than a gentle whirring noise in the same location.

Tysto

@Shifty203: Wow do you seriously not have enough time to wait less than a second more each time? Come on it's not like it takes 5 mins or something.

Hmm in all honesty I think thewy've known what they were doing to whole time, I def think the PS3 will pick up eventually and it'll be like a kite lifting off it'll jump leaps then gradually just raise higer...

Or the kite could never take flight you never know, maybe it got struck by lightning because it had a key, who knows.

DJTripleRRR

Will they ever make a Playstation tablet laptop/ tough book computer and gaming console with a Blueray disc rw and player and dvdrw, cdrw and wifi and a wireless modem, and bluetooth and an IR portel etc... oh, yeah and with like 500gb harddrive or a terabyt hdd for mobile computing and gaming?

StealthNinja