It's all going to be about the Appstore and cool, original stuff. The rubber is about to hit the road! Something new and exciting please!!!

altus

@thechansen: No dude, I read that wrong earlier, as you are doing now as well. The new iPhone has improved talk time over the 1st gen iPhone on EDGE. 10 hours of talk time as opposed to 8 hours on the 1st gen iPhone. The sucky talk time comes with 3G on.

TheSonOfKrypton

@tmntjmc: you must have missed the not:apple link posted right on the homepage. Thank you for the insightful comment.

I find it weird that the 2G radio gets less talk time than the 1st gen iPhone. You would think that it would be, well, the same. I see no reason why EDGE voice on the 3g iPhone wouldn't last that long but I'll wait to see what is going on first hand. I obviously haven't touched a 3g iPhone yet but wouldn't exchange have an effect on that, since the data connection is always somewhat active? I have no experince with exchange so correct me if I'm wrong.

thechansen

@tmntjmc: [gizmodo.com]

I just now learned about that and I'm on my way to fix my RSS feed. Try it out, it's awesome.

mhlaxp

@TheSonOfKrypton: I agree that saying "using 3G" to mean browsing the internet over the 3G network is a bit confusing. Actually, Walt doesn't indicate what he was doing on the internet, so he could have been streaming Orb media or reading a novel - not very clear either.

itchytooth

This is what I told Apple GPS is cool but who gives a flying F. 3.2MP camera, voicedial, stereo bluetooth and a built in flask.

mrsalty

@tmntjmc: "fuck the iphone"

I don't think you'd want to do that dude. I mean, physically with my girth, it wouldn't be possible with how tiny that headphone jack is. But if it is for you, and you get off on that type of shit, then, by all means, have at it.

TheSonOfKrypton

Ahhh, okay, I get it. Thanks @itchytooth and @richard8a.

TheSonOfKrypton

fuck the iphone

tmntjmc

@ChristianD: You, sir, fail at life. Walt didn't say the bug was a feature. No. Gizmodo phrased it that way. Walt's comment reads "One drawback: While you can have both personal and Exchange email accounts on the new iPhone, if you synchronize with Exchange calendars and contacts, your personal calendar and contacts are erased." Mmmmmmkkkkk?

TheSonOfKrypton

@TheSonOfKrypton: yeah...doesn't make sense.

Der182

@TheSonOfKrypton: Sounds like you've got that backwards. He got 3 hours less talk time on 3G iPhone than on the original iPhone.

richard8a

i guess that's kinda like how you shouldn't sync your yahoo email accounts AND your regular ones.
yahoo messed up my phone the first and only time i did it, i had to weed it out.

turi319

@TheSonOfKrypton: 4 hours and 27 minutes of talk over 3G, 5 hours and 49 minutes of internet browsing over 3G.

itchytooth

Is he even capable of giving Apple anything other than an excellent grade. Just asking, but has he ever even criticised any decision they've ever made. Since when is a bug a feature. There are a lot of reviewers that I respect for their best efforts at being impartial, unfortunately, he isn't one of them.

ChristianD

I charge my battery every night before I go to bed, so hopefully battery life will never be an issue.

leetXcore

So wait. He got 4 hours and 27 minutes on EDGE and MORE talk time on 3G? What am I missing here?

TheSonOfKrypton

So to summarize...same as last year with faster internet, a GPS that's marginally useful, and crappy battery life.

mobilehavoc

honestly i think the most exciting point is increased phone call quality. the current gen is meh on that point

MrBlahBlah

Looks like I'll leave 3G off unless I need it for surfing instead of leaving it on all the time for no reason heh. Sounds like from the reviews if you had one, it wouldn't be that worth of an upgrade. I don't have one, so it sounds great :D *prays to get one*

SDreamer

@tmntjmc: I've got a new avatar for you:

johnnyabnormal

@ChristianD: Yeah, when he talked about the dell computer that looks like the iMac, he actually said that the Dell version was more powerful and a better built machine. Mossberg is a fanboy though.

Joseph

So does it do A2DP or what?

mullingitover

@TheSonOfKrypton:

Is that with 3G on and actively using it, or just having it enabled? If it's the latter, then I REALLY wish they'd make turning on 3G automatic.

dagamer34

Yyou can only sync Exchange or personal email accounts -- not both.

WHAT...THE...FARK?!?!?!?

Eff that...that pretty much makes the decision for me--I'll wait for iPhone3 to upgrade.

Hyperplasia

I wish that Apple would have a "video-specific" brightness setting. Setting my brightness to low is fine for everything but that since the contrast is horrible when watching a video at min brightness.

dagamer34

Wow, I guess I shouldn't expect much from these guys anymore. They sound like a few 3 dufas's.

Stacky Botrus

Video Capture and Voice Command (allows voice dialing and voice navigation through apps/menus) will be available through the app store by third party developers. I'm currently using both on an unlocked iPhone through installer.app. Neither application are free but are offered as a trial/demo. I'd still like to see an easy to use app that enables Bluetooth DUN and for Apple to provide a software update to enable Bluetooth AD2P (Stereo Bluetooth). As well for Apple to update App Store to show the actual file size of the applications prior to downloading. After all not every carrier is as generous as AT&T or O2 to provide their customers with unlimited data ;)

imagine-engine

Ed Baig doesn't know too much, he wants Flash, Java and WMV support for the NEXT GENERATION of iphone? Can someone please tell him that those are softwares and can be installed in this generation of the iphone. As a matter a fact, Adobe already have the Flash running on the iphone 2.0 update, all they need now is a special agreement from Apple since the agreement doesn't allow anyone to make plugins or something like that. But yes they made a Flash Version for the iphone already. I'm sure they are already talking to Apple to allow it. They better

alexpr

@johnnyabnormal: I vote that the Giz editors post that pic everytime someone is "'hammered"

The Good Rev. Cordfucious the Black

@Samifumi: lmao.

TheSonOfKrypton

@mobilehavoc: And Sim Ejector Tool! Geez, get it right!

itchytooth

We are now reviewing reviews? Wow.

Samifumi

AWWW! So its official, no flash support in the new firmware???

shorty6049

Sorry Ed Baig, I don't think we'll ever see an Apple product with expandable memory. To me, it's not a big deal, but it would also be nice.

I guess if you don't have the 3G in your area, it kinda defeats the purpose of having an iPhone revolving around the fact that it is 3G capable.

11hawkinst

I still can't believe no copy/paste. WTF is so hard about that? Louder speaker will be nice. An easy 3G/Edge toggle would be cool, rather than having to to into settings. I wanna see the MobileMe push stuff actually work as advertised. Especially when pushed through iCal to/from Entourage.

Tek Elements

Walt also said:

"Third-party software: If things go as Apple hopes, third-party software could be the biggest attraction to the new iPhone 3G, and to upgraded older iPhones. By some estimates, there will be hundreds of these programs, some free and some paid, almost immediately."

Hopefully uSirius will be available without jailbreaking the iPhone and or iTouch.

Walt Mossberg's full review of the new iPhone is available in tomorrow's edition of the Wall Street Journal.

MudmanDude

@Hyperplasia: The USA Today review elaborates that you can sync personal and Exchange contacts and calendars to one iPhone IF you have MobileMe. From the sidebar: "to use Exchange and keep a separate personal calendar or contact list on the iPhone, you will need to use Apple's new $100-a-year MobileMe service."
That really does sort of suck. If it's possible, let everyone do it. Also, where's the push Gmail? Get to it, guys!

Modano

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paperless

@11hawkinst: my thought exactly w/the memory card slot. and flash..and a removable battery.
expandability and a removable battery will never happen.
I have a Cowon D2 which has an SD card slot which is GREAT, considering I can get an 8gb SD-HC card for 30$. And my Moto E815 has a removable batery :P

Tsumi91

Sounds interesting but the service plans in mexico were finally revealed and what we got of monthly bandwidth is 150 MB for around 80 bucks a month wich makes it almost imposibble for using it's real 3G capabilities. But you can always go for unlimited data wich cost $50 more.

Oh and btw if you go for the $80 plan the 16 Gb iPhone costs $200 and the 8GB is $85.

Mike918

I have two questions I haven't seen anyone cover yet.

1. Has the pathetic vibrate mode been improved? I mean does the 3G actually vibrate now or does it still simulate motion?

2. I read that the speaker works better (aka clearer and louder for calls) but does that translate into louder ringing? Not that I like to be bothered by a ringing phone, but that does play a part in me knowing when to answer it.

duffyanneal

I'll hit the snooze button on this one...

Wake me up when the iPhone has:

_ LANDSCAPE KEYBOARD (All Modes- NOT just Web Surfing)
Why discriminate against us Phat Thumbed Folks?

_ VOICE COMMAND - VoiceDial, GPS, & whatever other apps
that would make sense on [ya say it's avlbl as addon?]

_ VIDEO CAPTURE -If that's available as App-store add-on,
gr8

_ CUT/COPY TEXT

_ STEREO BLUETOOTH

G'nite...

biscuit2001

I'm disgusted that Goatberg got a pre-release phone to review, but not Gizmodo.

bobdobbs

I've been awaiting the report on the speakerphone. Right now I do an unbelievable amount of "cupping" in order to watch videos and talk on speakerphone. Ringtones in your pocket? Fuhgedabowdit.

*squeak!* EXCITED! LOUD-ASS CUSTOMIZED RINGTONES! YES!!!

philbert

i am the last one (or almost) in my friends to not have a cellphone ... the iphone 3g looks nice

but really, 16gb ... i think i can still wait for a 32gb model

(and no video capture ... well i just learned that, disappointing)

waza

The way I read it, and corrcet me if I am wrong, is that you can sync echange and your personal email at the same time, you just cannot sync your contacts and calander from exchange and your personal account at the same time. If that's the case, It makes sense to me, the two accounts would conflict on which contacts and calendar to use, and would constantly be overwriting each other. Am I missing something?

NfMoto

Oh and I have a phone with a $7 unlimited Data Plan... Sweeet

Exist_To_Resist

Another mediocre product from Apple, what a surprise.
No thanks I'll keep my windows mobile phone, got all my 7 email accounts, stream TV, stream XM, download torrents, and synchs flawlessly with exchange.

Thanks Apple, you suck.

MAC: Hey PC what are you doing?
PC: ...oh not much Playing Crysis in windowed mode while encoding MPEG4 in low priority mode, at fraction of the cost.
PC: What are you doing MAC? ...
MAC: Oh editing photos....
PC: Wow thats exciting.. Loser

I'll proally get banned from this site for that comment by an Apple FANBOY moderator.

iPod audio quality sucks, gimme Creative.
iPhone lacks features and community to create software for it, people been going on and on about the iPhone, whooptie doo.
I was excited too about the iPhone before V.1 came out, then I saw it, and touched it, and played with it, and went out and bought a Windows Mobile phone.
Apple is a product that technically unsavvy people buy to make themselves feel superior and cool, youre not.

I vote this product 4.5 out of 5 Lame.

Exist_To_Resist

@Mike918: Man what a rip-off for data usage. The prices for the phones are good, but what use is it if you can only download 1/2 of a donkey show before you run out of bandwidth?

Speaking of Mexico what are the self-respecting kidnappers in Mexico City going to do now that all the wealthy kids are going to have GPS tracking units in their back pockets? The world is going down the shitter in a heartbeat. Good thing the world is going to end in thirty days. Thank you CERN and the Large Hadron Collider.

duffyanneal

@Der182: While I do agree with you in principle, I'd still rather be able to have these features, even for a price.

atuck

@Exist_To_Resist: from what I read the new iPhone syncs flawlessly with exchange and I can listen to XM on my current one AND I can watch live TV. I don't know what torrents you need on your phone but power to you!

thechansen

I could get past the things the iPhone lacks, because none of them matter that much to me. I never use the video recording on my Mogul, I don't really ever do MMS since I have e-mail on the phone, I don't need more than 2MP camera, because its a damn phone, and copy and paste sucks to be missing, but im sure someone will fix it.

What I can't get past is that I would have to go from my $35 a month 500 minute, unlimited data, unlimited text, unlimited everything, and phone insurance, plan to a minimum $85 plan just to use the phone and have text messages and all that.

I will be hoping that they release a 32GB one by the end of the year, and AT&T comes out with better plans.

Or even better, Google releases the Android on some nice spec phones, and its as good as or better than the iPhone OS, and they have it on Sprint, and also, end of the year would be just great.

VulnoX

I am really not happy with the direction cell phones may be turning. Buying applications for simple things that SHOULD be included seem like just another way to F over the customer once again and put in some $$$$ to the pockets of the companies. Even if it is another $5 application for copy and paste....seriously. WTF. It should have been there in the first place. Just a lousy stunt to pull on customers in my opinion.

Der182

I was in San Francisco last weekend and EDGE was super fast! Honesty... it was almost as fast as wifi. EDGE is plenty fast as long as ATT pumps enough bandwidth into each sector. Or there's not 1000 people using edge within a mile of you. (like in LA)

jjspafford

@Exist_To_Resist: "PC: ...oh not much Playing Crysis in windowed mode while encoding MPEG4 in low priority mode, at fraction of the cost."

Ding ding ding, we have a winner for unintentional comedy PC-user comment for this posting. Please contact me for your prize of tube socks to wear under your sandals and XXL Excite@Home t-shirt given away in 1999.

doubletrouble

@leetXcore: I can go 2-3 days on 1 charge. And I usually do.

baristabrawl

@NfMoto: Why would that make sense? It makes no sense. It's so easy to implement. Having multiple calendars, (business, personal) is a big deal. Some people like to classify their appointments that way. Not to mention it's nice having <insert favorite sports team>'s schedule. Having business and personal contacts, and/or caller groups is something almost every single one of my phones has had.

Oh yeah, that's right. Someone in Cupertino thinks they know what's best for everyone. Although, it likely has more to do with getting that someone's hands deeper into your back pocket. And, that statement explains every detail that has been "left out": AD2P, Cut&Paste, user serviceable battery, expansion card slots, yadda, yadda yadda.

The situation is magnified with the iPod Touch.

The only thing the iPhone does exceptionally well is display web pages. Mobile Safari IS the iPhone's killer app. I don't even find it feature complete, but it's far and away the most useful feature. The iPhone also does a lot of things well. But, for each of those things, there is another that it is woefully substandard, or even lacking.

It's nice to see a set of comments that isn't blinded by the hype.

I might get one. But, only because, I'm in the market for a new phone, and I'm already an AT&T customer.

soggy_cheerio

@tmntjmc:

You will have to buy a $10 adaptor to do that.

keithhat

@Der182: Even if it is another $5 application for copy and paste....seriously. WTF. It should have been there in the first place.

someToast

@alexpr: I'm curious as how those talks would go over with MS and their silver light lol

Tohe

@Der182: I couldn't agree more with you.

@someToast: Der182 was giving you a hypothetical example of the new iPhone business model

It is clear Apple is the most excited about the iPhone's App Store, "why you say so?" I hear you ask! Well they see dollar signs written all over it :)

If you look closely, both Apple and Google are looking forward to making their platforms the new Linux. It is all about community and universalism. But Apple is in it with a tight grip! Google's plan is more vague at this point.

Walt Mossberg hit it on right the nail, when he spoke of "hidden costs" Apple and ATT have implemented a trickier profit model, where their gains come from higher priced data plans and the App Store.

Tohe

Draiko: Not of either of those services were built-in to this new OS or another soon.

loslosbaby

wait... a copy/cut/paste app would have to run in the background, wouldn't it? Isn't that against Apple's iPhone SDK holy bible?

Same thing with voice command... otherwise it would have to quit any running application before taking a command, no?

looks like no Copy/cut/paste or voice command soup for you, iPhone!

The iPhone sucks because Apple is making it suck.

draiko

So what happens if you buy a 3G Iphone, with 2 year contract, and then sell it? Will AT@T let you take the 3G iphone package off of your phone? I only ask because technically the 3G package is a "feature". has anyone had an iphone package removed from their plan?

BigSlide

can we please collectively dethrone mossyface as a gadget reviewer? please???

discounteggroll

Getting mine sent to me directly by o2UK :D

Dear XXXXXXX,

Thanks for your upgrade order. We're currently processing your request and will update you shortly on its progress.

Your order number is: on-011110XXX

Order Details
-------------------------------------------------
consumer:Bundle Apple iPhone 8GB Black Postpay SKU,Q1 08 Online GBP45 18M
consumer:Delivery:DeliveryFree Next Day Delivery

Please note that iPhone 3G comes with a 12 month warranty period.
-------------------------------------------------

UK review when it arrives :D

Daemonstalker

Someone should nut-punch Mossberg until he dies. I'll personally buy the first person to do so an iPhone just for helping humanity.

Dook_In_The_Urinal

Er, Mossberg reviewed the second generation iPhone weeks ago, here:

[online.wsj.com]

Of course, at the time of writing he'd never touched one - let alone used one - and he was supposed to be reviewing Samsung's latest LG Prada-clone, but who cares?

DelSource

Im holding out for 80Gb of storage and universal inbox. Not being able to support mulktiple e-mail/exchange/vvm in one view is a deal breaker. I figure the 3G network will be ubiquitous by then. Obviouly I'm in no rush and neither should you be. Let Moore's law work for you people.

Mish80921

@biscuit2001: _ VOICE COMMAND - VoiceDial, GPS, & whatever other apps
that would make sense on [ya say it's avlbl as addon?

WHO USES VOICE COMMAND, REALLY?

theshortguy

But on a more constructive note, I will be waiting in line for this one if the whole 50-75 units thing is true. Even though, like one of our reviewers, I don't have 3G in my area.

I think, more than anything, it's about the reception. I don't know about you guys, but my first gen iPhone had what could be described as the worst reception of any phone, ever. This will be a welcome change... and it's purrdy, too.

mcdonnr

@tmntjmc: But then, all I did was grant you the attention you so desperately needed... so, I guess I'm just as much an asshole as you are. There, I've gone and made myself sad.

mcdonnr

@tmntjmc: So, did you miss the part where we, as a community, discussed what posts do and don't go here? Yours is a garbage post, and serves only to irritate everyone around you without contributing anything positive or constructive. With that in mind, I say to you, "fuck off".

mcdonnr

Short version of all 3G iPhone reviews:

Same as the old one, but faster.

Anyone surprised?

Evil J

@Modano: Can't say I'm surprised that they're requiring mobileme for personal data sync if you use exchange. So if I want to use the new free feature, I have to pay to continue to use the old free feature. Typical.

I happen to have .mac/mobileme, so this limitation won't affect me, but I can't think of any reason for imposing this limitation (besides the obvious one). There is no technical reason that synching with two clouds is any more difficult or complex than synching with one cloud and periodic synching with another computer.

The one thing my old palm always did right was two way sync of calendars and contacts between multiple computers with no data loss or duplication. That was in 1998, ten years ago. In fact, I continued to use my palm for this function long after I stopped using it otherwise because apple never got isync right, and still hasn't.

lhutz34

@jjspafford:
The key word being "if". Unfortunatley I am stuck in Nebraska where apparently AT&T has decided that we dont need 3g until later this year. The best thing is that later this could mean December and knowing the way things work here that is probably the earliest it would be ready. EPIC FAILURE!

PHILZY21

doesn't seem THAT much difference than the original. probably the most notable difference is that APPLE, AT&T, and part vendors will be making a killing.

wasabi2k

@PHILZY21: But that's just smart buying/research. Different technologies will be of different worth in different areas at different times.

For example, I live in Manhattan and DirectTV could create a system with 400 HD channels, HD DVR, and on-demand HD movies while doubling as a next generation Roomba and it wouldn't do me a lick of good.

The question is whether this is something that will eventually bring you a benefit, either directly through the product or indirectly through a competitor or another generation. In this case the answer is likely yes.

92BuickLeSabre

No word on whether we can just swap out sim cards from our current 3g phones?

EditorinChief

This is the same phone people. Do you really need a review?

newtype2011

The back is plastic! I love the substantial feel of the aluminium in my hand. LOL. This is a very big minus for me. Anyone else?

Hars

Would love to know how many shares of AAPL each reviewer owns. I can't remember when Mossberg did not recommend an Apple product, no matter how inferior it was to superior products.

lguser

Well, I am an iPhone owner and still a little unsure. I would love a shiny new phone, don't get me wrong, and frankly the price for the upgrade is not to horrible or frightening... however, at the risk of sounding like a broken record:

COPY/PASTE
MMS
VID RECORD

I could even live without flash and stereo bluetooth for a bit (with the new Jack I can do away with all these god-awful adaptors that always suck)... it's like brand new headphones!

djozone13

@92BuickLeSabre
You are correct, however I currently have a 16gb iPhone and want to upgrade yet I cant justify spending another $300 after I just spend $500 in February without the instant gratification of 3g. I guess I am just impaitent and want it now.

PHILZY21

Hi-

If the 2.0 firmware doesn't tell you how long a call was, I'm going to go fucking nuts!!!!!

th3gh05t

i use the locator in google maps lots on my iphone and i have to say its sooo useful for finding quick directions.. the only thing missing is turn-by turn directions

malcs