Entertainment
State of The Infinite Format War: Get Ready for Five Long Years of Set-Top Battle Royale
Posted by Matt Buchanan at 3:00 AM on June 14, 2008
One year ago, we predicted that the infinite format war would rise from the ashes of the HD DVD/Blu-ray format war--that a million online services and set-top boxes would suddenly promise to deliver movies and video to your computer or TV. And that each one would essentially be their own format, since none of them are compatible, and each would promise only a fraction of available movies. We were right about our fears, but we also have a solution to a decent download collection.
Today, as new boxes and services are announced, there has yet to appear one that can give you every movie, let alone a single format you can use on your various everyday devices. Thankfully, what we're hearing now is that while this infinite format war may not go on forever, the state of video will suck for the next five years until every service has the same baseline catalog. If you believe the studios. In the meantime, you'll be looking for the set-top box with the best catalog, and the one that can deliver you your films in the best way possible.
If you thought the HD DVD/Blu-ray split was bad, at least there was an easy order to it, an alignment by studios. Warner, Universal and Paramount were on HD DVD, everyone else (plus Warner) put their movies on Blu-ray. Sure, no Big Lebowski on Blu-ray, but at least you knew why. There is nothing even approaching logic when it comes to the movie options from VOD set-top box to the next, at least not from the user perspective. Warner Bros. put out Ocean's Thirteen. You can watch it on Vudu and Amazon Unbox, but not iTunes. Warner also put out I Am Legend, which is on all three, and Xbox Live Marketplace. Paramount's Shooter is on all three, but only for purchase, not rental (and totally MIA from Xbox). And you could rent Disney/Pixar's Ratatouille a few months ago, but now it's only for purchase. "WTF?" is a natural response. (On a side note, it's a bitch to really search or go through any of the catalogs, so it's even harder to tell if it's an accidental or intentional roadblock.)
To explain our current clusterfuck, you need a quick trip back to 1999. Remember the state of digital music back then? It was messy and ugly. The music industry had no idea what to do with this whole internet thing, and they were involved in assorted, competing ventures. Then along came iTunes, which basically organised the music universe and, to the chagrin of the RIAA, set up a sane pricing structure, too. It's not a complete catalog of all music ever (Beatles, hello?), but it's the closest thing there is, and it's pretty damn good. It brought order to the chaos, and now claims 85 percent of the legal download market. So it has the music industry by the balls, enough to speed their efforts to fortify a worthy number 2--Amazon, which was the first store to boast a catalog exclusively made up of DRM-free music from all four majors as a result, a perk deliberately withheld from iTunes to curb its power.
We're basically at that same, nebulous 1999 point with video, though Hollywood has learned from the music industry's mistakes—and iTunes is not the guaranteed champion in the case of online movie sales. The industry is eagerly putting stuff out there, and on as many services as it can--we're at the point now that most of the major studios release movies on online services on the same day they release them on disc.
A problem gumming up our dream of the one box is that each service requires a different format--one studio told us that a big issue is digitising and formatting a film to meet each service's specs. It just takes time, though they're going as fast as they can. And new releases are gonna take priority, obviously. We are at least a little skeptical of this claim--we don't think it takes that long to digitise a flick
From what we were told, there's surprisingly little worry of a single company dominating digital distribution. A studio we talked to said that it's all so new, the fear of a monopoly (by Apple or otherwise) is at worst simply a thought skulking around in the back of their mind, not an actual concern. So no service is getting any favours to promote one over the other, or keep another in check. (At least not yet, though Blu-ray-happy Sony may well have the most incentive to keep the online space anemic.) Again, here, we're a little suspicious--obviously they wouldn't come right out and tell us they're afraid of iTunes, but when you look at the measly catalog and consider the studios' close study of how the music industry complete botched online music, the idea of Apple becoming the single biggest distributor of most digital media and holding serious sway over the entire entertainment industry has to weigh on their minds.
I mean, if you were in their shoes, and could prevent making iTunes into the all-powerful Walmart of the digital video generation, wouldn't you?
The one bit of protectionism going on that was copped to is the push to purchase, rather than rent. It makes sense that a studio gets more money when you buy a movie than rent it, since it's the same set of bits headed to your hard drive, and both are guaranteed you'll watch the movie at least once, but one costs three to four times as much as the other. So you are going to see a lot of them not open a flick up to online rentals until a month after it's available for purchase, and even see rental options disappear, as recently happened across the board with Pixar movies.
Ultimately, and somewhat shockingly, Hollywood does have the same vision we do--a single god box that'll deliver the entire catalogs of all the studios. Only, unlike in the iTunes hegemony, every home could have a different god box, be it Xbox, TiVo, Vudu or Roku.
Forgive the buried service journalism. Enough of this theoretical talk. So, what does it take to get a decent download collection? Until the god box, you will need several, two at least. Right now, Vudu is good for latest and greatest plus some older favorites; Netflix Roku has better TV options and some interesting deep cuts (plus a US$99 box price and unlimited streaming for 10,000 so-so titles for any plan over US$9 with discs by mail as a backup); Xbox 360 has a surprisingly large amount of HD movies, and a nice catalog geared towards the gaming demographic; Apple TV has its own legion of fans for its ability to move movies to iPods and computers, though it still has a lot to prove in the catalog section. That's not even counting the TiVo with Amazon Unbox or the cable box you likely already have, each with their own assorted VOD options. Even if you owned all of 'em, you still might not find what you want, even if it's something that should be slapping you in the face. Take Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle, for instance. We could not legally find it on any service, even though the sequel hit theatres just a few weeks ago—and got a surprisingly good buzz from usually snooty critics. Did Warner miss the perfect opportunity? They wouldn't say.
The other major issue is the state of broadband and the guys controlling the pipes. For the online video revolution to fully take off in HD, we need bigger pipes. For most people, that's years away. This is deeply threatening to the cable companies, and they're pretty clear that they're not happy about content moving online--you can see the fear in the recent moves to limit all kinds of data consumption (most of which is already video), not just the supposed protocol of pirates. What if limits or overage charges were put in place for people who were simply doing their best to buy copyrighted video? Why would someone give up DVD and Blu-ray rentals from Netflix in order to pay twice—for both the bandwidth and the content—and have to wait somewhat impatiently for the download, too?
So friends, while all of this gets ironed out, the infinite format war rages on: Lots of boxes, lots of online services, none of them complete, none of them that'll fully satisfy your wife's desire to rid the shelves of DVDs. Hollywood just can't move fast enough for this revolution, as arguably eager as it is, and the ISPs may not clear the way when the show does get on the road. From what we can tell, the stuff will all get sorted out in time. How much time? Give it five more years. If you believe the studios. [Insert groan of impatience here.]

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DrXym
Posted 6:01 AM 14/6/08
This is all very predictable and obvious. While the likes of Amazon, Apple, Sony, Netflix, Microsoft etc. fight over their proprietary formats they'll all suffer. Look at what happened to ebooks - everyone fought with their own stupid proprietary readers and formats and the whole market fragmented and collapsed. The same will happen with movies.
Frankly you would have to be STUPID to buy a movie from one of these vendors. Why lock yourself to a vendor when the movies cost almost the same as DVDs? Renting is fine because who cares what format the rental is in, but ownership is another matter. If you buy a movie that only plays on Microsoft, or Sony or Apple devices, or requires some proprietary viewer you need your head examined. Either vendors will have to dump DRM (e.g. use watermarking instead), or adopt a common DRM with appopriate safeguards for key escrow etc. Otherwise they'll all suffer. And frankly they deserve everything they get.
DrXym
ianmac47
Posted 5:56 AM 14/6/08
While they figure this out, 7 billion files will be streamed from some random Chinese site.
ianmac47
shalegac
Posted 5:47 AM 14/6/08
@Hiphopopotamus: I download only because at this point its faster than ripping my dvd's and putting them in the correct format. If I own a disc I will download a copy and put it on my PS3. that is becoming my media center of choice at this time. I have a ton of HD content on there and love it more with each passing day. It's all about knowing what you need. Most of my movie files are in .vob which is perfect for the PS3. very fast conversions.
shalegac
aec007
Posted 5:35 AM 14/6/08
At this time regular DVDs at rock bottom price seem to look mighty fine!...
I normally buy mine about 2~3 weeks after they show up at the rental outlet and buy them from the guy at $9.99 used, but without almost no scratches while they are still $18 ~ $20 at Target...
aec007
Khamel
Posted 5:33 AM 14/6/08
its sad that its easier to bittorrent most popular movies than trying to get them legally. im sure you would have had no problem getting harold and kumar off bittorrent. not that i know how to use bittorrent that is ...
Khamel
rexplex
Posted 5:31 AM 14/6/08
I really don't understand the folks who brag about stealing movies & music. How would you feel if I came to your house & took your property away? Don't you think that people should get paid for their efforts?
DRM when done properly (FairPlay is the best example so far) is not onerous. It is a necessary evil (as was stated earlier).
In an effective capitalist system, the DRM schema that best balances the needs of the content originators and consumers will win. Hence iTunes 85% market share.
rexplex
ottermann
Posted 5:11 AM 14/6/08
Moot point for some of us, who are forced to live in the dark ages.
The fastest internet I can get is 1mb, at a cost of $80 a month. And, it's not even 1mb, the phone company just calls it that. If I get downloads of 30kbps, I'm lucky.
It takes me about 3 hours to download a 1/2 hour show from iTunes. A movie, well, I start it, go to bed, and it's usually still going when I get up.
If anyone has any ideas how to force a phone company to upgrade it's service, I'd love to hear them.
Oh, and so people know, The owner of the phone co. also owns the phone lines. And the cable station. And, I live on a wooded lot and am not chopping down a 1/2 dozen 100 year old pines for satellite internet.
ottermann
Monty
Posted 5:10 AM 14/6/08
First, amazing work, Matt. I am required by the Giz Gods to write awful comments, but ultimately I can not sully the amazing work you have done in this post.
Now for the obnoxious words:
You can get just about any movie you want with Netflix, but, yes, you have to wait a day or two for it to show up. But, what we want is the 'magical box' that can give us anything at the press of a button right?
My problem with the 'magical box' is not the selection of movies, it is that the movies look worse than a DVD despite having an 'HD' label. If I need a movie, waiting a day to get a version in DVD or Blu-ray is worth every extra moment.
Monty
N@tedog
Posted 5:07 AM 14/6/08
@Hiphopopotamus: Then ur doin it wrong! [www.dailyhaha.com]
N@tedog
Enochrewt
Posted 5:05 AM 14/6/08
@VakeroRokero: Bittorrent should get an aircraft carrier that in the the next picture in the sequence turns those puny little boats into toothpicks.
Really, do they expect the consumer to wait and/or suffer through anemic services and set top boxes for the next 5 years? They won't. As more people desire digital download movies, They'll find they can either pay a monthly fee for something like netflix's 10,000 movie selection (with probably 500 they actually want to see) or they'll find a site like The Pirate Bay, take a half an hour to read the instructions on how to download and set up a bittorrent client and download tens of thousands of movies for free. How do you get those people to switch back to a pay service after a few years of enjoying whatever they want to see? You might now. Because these companies keep bickering and greed about this stuff, they'll force a whole slew of people to get used to using the exact service and technology that they're trying to replace.
Enochrewt
N@tedog
Posted 5:02 AM 14/6/08
Shouldn't it be BR smashing through HD DVD?
N@tedog
DisposableInterloper
Posted 4:53 AM 14/6/08
If only there were a new law that would repeal the DMCA, make placing DRM on digitally distributed content illegal, and force all content providers to open their devices and protocols such that end users could access any given service on any given system with nothing more than a plugin, third-party or otherwise.
If such a law would come to pass, this mess would evaporate overnight. Alas, something tells me not even Obama would have the balls to pull something like this off, so that would be a long-ass way away. Until then, we can P2P to fight the Man.
DisposableInterloper
Thunderdome
Posted 4:38 AM 14/6/08
I don't think it'll take 5 years for the movie studios to get it together. They saw the mp3 shakedown. They still can't stop piracy. They have everything to gain by getting this shit goin asap. The ones who'll be draggin their feet are the ISPs. Those rat-bastards are gonna replace cell-phone companies as the love-to-hate villians in the tech world if they keep acting like greedy children.
Thunderdome
kaneshadow
Posted 4:38 AM 14/6/08
It's a corporate problem we're looking at. They're entrenched in the old ways and obsessed with "risk managing" their involvement in the new stuff. They won't take a step unless they're completely covered against all possible problems: piracy, selling advertising, competition... It's not going to get done right unless someone just goes whole hog and makes a service that's quick and easy and has a decent selection.
kaneshadow
Hiphopopotamus
Posted 4:18 AM 14/6/08
@praevalesco: Are you kidding? Every movie I download via torrent involves a 15 minute search for whatever random codec/decompression tool/player/media converter the seeder decided to make us use.
Hiphopopotamus
mikeg916
Posted 4:18 AM 14/6/08
dvd's on the shelves?
Seriously?
and you call yourself a techophile?
rip those bitches to computer and stop complaining.
I've got over 1200 dvd's (and over 1600 in my collection) and havent looked in a dvd box for years.
300 disc sony changer + Computer hooked to TV + MyMovies plug in for media center = less than 2 minutes to find and start a movie.
i've actually stopped watching all the mindless drivel on tv and instead simply buy the shows i want when they come out on DVD. No commercials, no fast forwarding through them, no "in place" advertising by the tv stations or networks.
just simply a pleasurable viewing experience on my schedule and on my equipment.
throw in netflix streaming for a little variety and the money i save on cable/satellite is better spent.
mikeg916
jrghoull
Posted 4:17 AM 14/6/08
personally i just use my on demand from comcast. it sure as hell doesnt have everything, but it gets the newest stuff which is all i really care about.
the whole entertainment over the net will get ironed out as it makes money and that is what its all about bottom line. Personally when it comes to the evolution of the internet as we seem to be talking about here, my greatest fear is that the companies such as comcast start limiting which websites you can visit (shudders). Theres alot of talk of it...i have no idea how true it is...but it certainly seems pretty plausible.
screw worrying how you will access your movies, worry about about only being able to get information from aol.com!
jrghoull
praevalesco
Posted 4:15 AM 14/6/08
"Today, as new boxes and services are announced, there has yet to appear one that can give you every movie, let alone a single format you can use on your various everyday devices."
Mediacenter, Bittorrent, ISO... I think that sums up your problems.
praevalesco
michaelcalcagno
Posted 4:09 AM 14/6/08
Don't forget the online STREAMING video services. Hulu, ABC.com, etc - all supported by adverting rather than a purchase model. I would rather watch a few minute of ads dispersed throughout my movie than pay $15 for it.
Add to the clusterf**k!!
michaelcalcagno
lilaliendog
Posted 4:04 AM 14/6/08
none of the other set top boxes offer to me what bluray does in terms of quality for my investment so none of the other option will get my money
lilaliendog
Brian Lam
Posted 3:57 AM 14/6/08
@Hiphopopotamus: Bwhahahaha!
Brian Lam
Hiphopopotamus
Posted 3:54 AM 14/6/08
I don't think its fair that the HD-DVD team has two ships. There's no way they can lose with that kind of manpower!
Hiphopopotamus
KirePDX
Posted 3:54 AM 14/6/08
I registered an account just to say thanks for a great article. It's great to have a simple, presentable overview of the market right now. Much appreciated, Matt.
KirePDX
thechansen
Posted 3:44 AM 14/6/08
@jnemesh: By that logic: I could buy your car if you put it up for sale, but I would rather just steal it from you because I can. I don't think DRM is all that bad if done fairly, DRM is an evil we have to put up with and I think companies have the right to protect their product from theft.
thechansen
LindsayJoy's MBP is into S+M
Posted 3:44 AM 14/6/08
I had a friend that got V1 of the Apple TV for 300. Then, he didn't like it and wanted a PS3, and told me he'd sell it to me for 150 when it was 2 weeks old. Needless to say I've been quite happy with V2 software.
Also, I have a Comcast HD DVR and like 500 channels so I think I'm gonna wait this one out. I have so much I can get for free on the computer or on On Demand via Comcast for now. Not to say I don't want one more, I always want one more....*always*.
LindsayJoy's MBP is into S+M
snitch29
Posted 3:44 AM 14/6/08
This long battle will be between the Apple TV & Vudu, i gave the netflix box a try & my god how can they have the balls to say they have over 10,000 titles, well they do but it's of stuff no one has even heard of before even the westerns are pretty bad.
snitch29
Anks329
Posted 3:42 AM 14/6/08
@greatpear411: I agree, ISP are going to be a huge sticking point to getting media distributed over the internet in a fast, cheap and effective manner.
Anks329
Jordan Lund
Posted 3:39 AM 14/6/08
We've been through the set-top box fiasco once before though... remember the early 90s?
Phillips CD-i
3DO (Panasonic and Goldstar varieties)
Pioneer Laseractive
Commodore CD-32
Apple Pippin
Tandy Viz
And that was with a robust economy...
Jordan Lund
VakeroRokero
Posted 3:39 AM 14/6/08
shouldn't bittorrent get a flag there too?
VakeroRokero
snitch
Posted 3:37 AM 14/6/08
This long battle will be between the Apple TV & Vudu, i gave the netflix box a try & my god how can they have the balls to say they have over 10,000 titles, well they do but it's of stuff no one has even heard of before even the westerns are pretty bad. DVD by mail from them rocks though but i don't want there box not even for free
snitch
sonburn
Posted 3:35 AM 14/6/08
don't care who wins.... as long as they bring a great service to canada. We can get movies on Itunes at the moment... but really limited.
sonburn
Siegeman
Posted 3:35 AM 14/6/08
@NightElfMohawk: I agree, with Netflix around, there's no reason why anyone would jump ship on physical media, yet. After a few years of using the service, I only recently tried to add a title to my queue which was unavailable.
Siegeman
thechansen
Posted 3:32 AM 14/6/08
Since AppleTV take 2 was released I found that I stopped buying DVDs. And I was a serious collector, I have about 250-300 movies and TV shows on DVD. They are now all in cardboard boxes in my basement. They are all now streamed to my TV and if I need to bring a movie over someone's house: iPod + AV cables. I used to hate renting movies (and I hated netflix when I had it) because I would much rather just own the movie but then I thought of how often I actually watch movies over again and just said fuck it. I think I've saved money since I got appleTV (money that would have gone towards buying vs renting). And I have no plans on getting bluray. Ever. I hope netflix gets it's library of streaming movies together because the service intrigues me but it would have to have a better selection in order to get me to pay.
thechansen
jayhawk11
Posted 3:32 AM 14/6/08
One word: Clusterfuck.
jayhawk11
jnemesh
Posted 3:31 AM 14/6/08
Just steal all of their content until they wise up. Boycott any purchase of physical media and don;t buy anything you can steal.
jnemesh
greatpear411
Posted 3:29 AM 14/6/08
@NightElfMohawk: Didn't notice that "boom" the first time. But now that you point it out, i laugh with mild glee. Thank you.
greatpear411
92BuickLeSabre
Posted 3:29 AM 14/6/08
Five years works for me, shoot, take six if you need it.
Until I need immediate, real-time, 24/7, digital access to the entire 5-Part Hobbit/LOTR series in HD, I'll just keep watching whatever's on.
92BuickLeSabre
kibets
Posted 3:28 AM 14/6/08
You really put a lot into that post Matt.
kibets
greatpear411
Posted 3:28 AM 14/6/08
Very, Very good article.
Not looking forward to the wait, but I am excited that hopefully in a few years we'll have a true digital entertainment system that we can rely on.
I see the biggest issue to hold this back being the ISPs, rather than any format or hardware issues. Until they can start using the money they (gouge) get from us to improve the networks, we'll all just be idling in another traffic jam.
FiOS please :]
greatpear411
leuch3rd
Posted 3:28 AM 14/6/08
go supreme commander reference!
leuch3rd
NightElfMohawk
Posted 3:22 AM 14/6/08
*Netflix mail service, that is.
NightElfMohawk
NightElfMohawk
Posted 3:21 AM 14/6/08
"Boom!" on the Good Ship Apple is just a brilliant touch to that picture. I'll be happy with Netflix & my DVD collection while this set-top war wages, thankyouverymuch.
NightElfMohawk
Chromeo
Posted 3:19 AM 14/6/08
Poor HD-DVD ship...never saw that cannonball coming...
Chromeo
mlmmt3
Posted 6:49 AM 14/6/08
Great Article!
The single largest thing i see holding this whole thing back is going to be the ISPs, who charge us too much already and sudden figure out they cant handle all the bandwidth usage we have already, something that will only increase with time.
And on another note.. Go FIOS!!!
mlmmt3
mathew
Posted 6:47 AM 14/6/08
"We're basically at that same, nebulous 1999 point with video, though Hollywood has learned from the music industry's mistakes..."
They have? Great! Where can I go to buy DRM-free movie downloads?
mathew
Kaiser-Machead's got LindsayJoy's cookies on the SuperDrive
Posted 6:21 AM 14/6/08
@makanai: He can't be attributed to the bulk of the picture, but can be for the sake of the comedic angle and how it relates to the article. Just sayin' :)
Kaiser-Machead's got LindsayJoy's cookies on the SuperDrive
makanai
Posted 6:14 AM 14/6/08
Did Jesus Diaz paint the entire pic, or just Paint the flags and Arrs? Seems like improper attribution, if the later.
Arr.
makanai
woahbaby
Posted 6:13 AM 14/6/08
@Chromeo: @Chromeo: wow.thats really cool
woahbaby
Omen
Posted 7:28 AM 14/6/08
There is already a solution for price gouging and format media raping restrictions:
Piracy.
Omen
SushamaDandradeine
Posted 8:29 AM 14/6/08
The idea that the studios have to digitize for each service is bunk. Whoever stated that is wrong. The studios provide a digital master to each service and then each service converts that into their own format. I know for a fact that this is what Vudu does. Also, it's not entirely correct to say that each service has a different format. Both Vudu and AppleTV use H.264 which is really the gold standard for downloaded video. So theoretically each box could play the other's material. But since each is somewhat of a closed system, it is moot. The bottom line is that the studios just need to release all the material they can to each of the providers and then let the free market determine who wins or who loses. The playing games like they do right now is just aggravating to the consumer and drives everyone crazy. But this is the same industry that almost succeeded in making the VCR illegal (it was a 5-4 Supreme Court decision that kept the VCR legal) and it's the same industry that has historically resisted every new technology that has come its way.
SushamaDandradeine
JacquesAss
Posted 9:19 AM 14/6/08
Great post. In-depth, clearly written - that's why Giz rocks.
Personally, I went with AppleTV + Netflix (old-school DVD's). After ripping 3 discs at a time - and flipping them every 3 days - I quickly had more movies than I had time to watch.
It's not everything, but it's everything I want to watch anytime soon.
JacquesAss
Brian Lam
Posted 9:18 AM 14/6/08
@SushamaDandradeine: Thanks for the input, Sushama. Great comment.
Brian Lam
cafenitro
Posted 11:18 AM 14/6/08
I knew a guy who hooked up his hi-def camcorder to his dvd recorder and his headphone jack on his computer to his dvd recorder pointed the camcorder at the screen and dubbed his entire computer movie collection onto DVD. His dubs looked and sounded fantastic but that's illegal so I told him to stop doing that right away or I would turn him in. You thieving bastard.
cafenitro
mcknn
Posted 12:57 PM 14/6/08
What we really need is:
mcknn
drgonzo2k2
Posted 2:04 PM 14/6/08
@SushamaDandradeine:
Well you're right and you're wrong there. I deliver to video DSPs (digital service providers) for a living. It's a mess! Yes, for the most part we provide them with a "digital master" which they then convert to whatever their consumer delivery format is. The problem is that each DSP requires a different digital master format. Some of them require delivery in the consumer delivery format. Then there is the whole delivery chain that it takes to make this happen. For example, we receive masters on professional tape formats (DigiBeta, HDCAM, etc). These are then captured to uncompressed QT and then converted to MXF files for storage in the archive. The client then specifies which DSP they want to deliver to. This then requires another conversion to the DSP digital master or consumer delivery specification. If we deliver a digital master then another conversion is required by the DSP to their consumer delivery format. None of the DSPs are the same, and there are absolutely no standards. It's a ton of data, a ton of conversions/computer cycles, and a ton of transfer over the public Internet. This all takes a lot of time! Don't even get into someone like Netflix which still prefers masters delivered to them on tape! This means that the MXF file stored in the archive must be pulled and then played back out to tape, then FedEx'd to Netflix. Don't forget QC. Of course the file must be checked for quality every step of the way. There are automated QC tools, but they take time and computer cycles too. You don't want to get 1/2 way through an iTunes rental only to find out some moron encoded it wrong somewhere along the way, right?
Oh yeah, don't get me started on metdata - you know the stuff that has all the details about the content, so that Simpsons Season 1 Episode 3 on iTunes really is that particular episode? Well all the clients have their own formats that they store it in, we have our own format which has to be much more robust to store all the data types and values for ALL of the DSPs, and of course EVERY DSP has their own proprietary metadata delivery specification. Some want Excel sheets, some are smart and take xml, some are living in the dark ages and want TEXT FILES!
Trust me, the person that said digitizing for all of the various DSPs took a lot of time knew EXACTLY what they were talking about.
Wanna talk audio? Well all those different quality streaming versions, 30 second preview samples, download versions etc., of course require additional conversions. Some audio DSPs require up to 10 different audio conversions on their incoming spec. Metadata? Even worse. Not only are there more fields to store, but there's much more of it as we're talking albums with multiple tracks, not just a single movie!
drgonzo2k2
Kaiser-Machead's got LindsayJoy's cookies on the SuperDrive
Posted 3:58 PM 14/6/08
@drgonzo2k2:
Too bad that the Simpsons isn't on iTunes.
Kaiser-Machead's got LindsayJoy's cookies on the SuperDrive
ringsting
Posted 7:00 PM 14/6/08
Great Article
I want to pay for my media, I really do, but there is not a chance in hell of me spending any more money on a film that I am going to have to buy again when the next format comes out.
When the universal format that I can watch on all my devices and share with my friends(even if it means some kind of universal DRM) comes out, then and only then will I start buying stuff again.
In the meanwhile it's uTorrent, Media Portal, EZTV and mininova.
Wish the companies could learn something from these wonderful technologies.
ringsting
Vastad
Posted 8:28 PM 14/6/08
@Hiphopopotamus: Obvious troll is obvious.
There is CCCP, there is k-lite and there is Matroska which you get automatically if you install Core Media Player. You spend 10 minutes on each of these only on the first time you require the codec and then even Windows Media Player will play those exotic anime avi's. Then it's on your system forever unless you do a reinstall of your OS. At most, you've lost half an hour in your entire video-watching experience.
Your hyperbole and ignorance are irritating. Please get it fixed.
Vastad
thechansen
Posted 12:26 AM 15/6/08
I do have a complaint about how apple compresses their video. I have the first season of flight of the conchords which I ripped from the DVDs at about 175-200mb per episode. The average lesser quality TV shows seem to take up nearly double the space. Movies are the same; about 650mb when I rip them to mp4/h.264 (pretty much the appleTV normal setting on Visual Hub) and they are about 1.3gb on iTunes.
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drgonzo2k2
Posted 4:20 AM 15/6/08
@Kaiser-Machead's got LindsayJoy's cookies on the SuperDrive:
Just an example off the top of my head. It's completely up to the content owner what gets delivered there. We just archive it for them and enable conversion/delivery for any DSP they specify. It doesn't make any sense to me either. I don't understand why they just don't "deliver to all DSPs." We DO offer that option.
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Narfmaster
Posted 9:02 AM 15/6/08
I demand a high quality version of this image as a wallpaper. It's fucking awesome. Props to your art guy!
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skulldriveshaft
Posted 6:30 PM 15/6/08
Basically you require a node in each subscriber's home to access the NAS farm sitting in your part of the city.
The copper wire is already there, but it's being used in a new fashion. Before it was a river flowing freely, and everyone showed up at the banks to watch the same event at the same time. Now we have faucets that let us turn on the flow whenever we want, some of us pour it into a container to use later. This brought the bonus of exponential complexity to the delivery method.
Enter the HD-PVR systems from your tv company (cable, phone, whatever) these are the systems that need the most attention. These base systems are getting better, but no local ability to download content for later viewing, just that whole VOD thing (which they invested lots of cash for nothing).
A Netflix set top box type solution just needs one addition:
Attaching a USB 2.0, Firewire, or networked drive should bring up a menu asking you if you want the drive to be initialized as a NAS for the Netflix Set Top Box (allowing you to maintain a movie collection even though you have been forced to rid your home of DVD cases & box sets).
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skulldriveshaft
Posted 6:31 PM 15/6/08
@drgonzo2k2: stick around will ya?
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Dapole
Posted 4:07 AM 16/6/08
I always wondered about the amazon getting all of the DRM free music, it looks like a refusal to deal situation, which would fall under anti-competitive practices. Of course since all anti-competitive practices are hard to prove, it falls into the grey area, and would really depend on the judge. Secondly it looks like the same thing is happening to the movie system, but its seems less like collusion, and more like pure and utter confusion.
P.S. to every one that will bitch, or does bitch about the "anti-competitive practices" of apple and itunes, there is no Product Tying. Itunes is designed to work with the ipod and is not some completely random item tied to the ipod, like a browser to an os....
Dapole
Pyao lyang shen
Posted 5:24 AM 16/6/08
ARRR
Pyao lyang shen
aznplayer213
Posted 2:56 PM 16/6/08
long live HD-DVD?
aznplayer213
skierpage
Posted 4:03 PM 16/6/08
@thechansen, @rexplex: You're wrong, DRM is absolutely the WORST evil for anything you buy to own.
Inevitably you will find you can't use what you bought. It may work OK today, maybe it'll still work in 5 years, but 10 years from now you I guarantee won't be able to use a DRM'd file on your latest shiny hardware. Media companies love this reality, they look forward to making you buy new digital files of stuff you already purchased.
That said, unlike music I watch most movies once and then never again. So rental for a few days is appealing, and DRM for rentals doesn't seem so bad. There are a few cases I care about (start watching on my TV and finish watching a movie on my phone, or save the best naughty bits to my computer), but they rarely come up with DVD rentals.
The article is nice background, but short on details. Which provider has the best rental system? Which ones let you make a low-def clip of your favorite scene? Does any let you choose a resolution? Which uses the best codec? Do you get the kiss-ass "Making of" featurettes? (I've got no idea, I just pedal to Blockbuster for another DVD box and hope its contents aren't scratched.)
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drgonzo2k2
Posted 2:43 PM 19/6/08
@skulldriveshaft:
I'm still here. What's up? E-mail me if you need something, cuz I'm probably not gonna check up on this post. drgonzo2k2 at gmail
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