This is hot. But I'd rather see a 5 mpx with optical zoom. What do people actually use camera phone pics for anyway? Blogging, Facebook and perhaps the occasional slideshow and print. Everyone still uses a dedicated camera for "serious" pictures, so 8 mpx is just overkill.

chrstphr

I like it. I've always hated "camera-phones" since their inception and the only reason my cellphone has a camera on it is because it's pretty much impossible to get one with out one anymore. But this isn't a "camera-phone," it's a "camera/phone." Every once in a while, I'd like to have a camera on me, but not often enough to actually warrant buying one and keeping it on me at all times, just in case. My phone is already on me all the time, but the camera on it sucks. There's no way I'll ever take real pictures with that thing. Not to mention, there's no good way to get pictures off of it. Yeah, I know I probably don't need the 8.1 megapixels, but whatever. My main fear is the cost...

Platypus Man

@Kramen loves her MBP: if a camera can completely replace my point and shoot, then sure, i'll take it on my phone. Especially now with point and shoots coming so thin and small, its like just cram a keypad and a phone in there, and voila

MrBlahBlah

@Kaiser-Machead's got LindsayJoy's cookies on the SuperDrive:

I had to come in to the office on a Saturday one time...the security guard at the front was playing COD4 on the PC at the front desk...

...made me want to be a security guard again.

Chromeo

Looks interesting, though i think i'd go for the X1 first. Wish the X1 had a 5 MP camera though, even though i know that megapixels don't affect the quality of the picture. I don't know why, i have this obsession with having my tech have the highest of everything.

Contrast ratio, RAM, everything! I think i have an illness. =(

I want a X1.

@jige: I'm generally all by myself in here on Fridays, so I just watch some episodes of The Office or The Simpsons on Hulu and then run a few laps from end to end before going home.

Kaiser-Machead's got LindsayJoy's cookies on the SuperDrive

@Kramen loves her MBP: I'm just sitting alone in the office. Everyone else went home.

jige

@Kramen loves her MBP: See, thats where a nice camera would come in handy. Myself, I just want decent quality conversations. I'm never far from a computer if I need to ask a general question, and I don't care enough about gps and the rest of that shit because I know my city, or I check google maps beforehand! Plus I don't want to take my phone to the gym, hence I have a small mp3 player, I don't want my brick of a phone attached to my arm.

Given though, when I finally get a new phone, it will probably end up with all this shit on it anyways! I do like the nice pretty screen and graphics though...

Log1c

@Log1c: Yeah I don't do the whole myspace, facebook thing either. I just LOVE LOVE LOVE photography.

Kramen loves her MBP

@Kramen loves her MBP: Yeah but to me a camera is still mostly useless. I don't have that unhealthy relationship with a camera and facebook. Enough people post pictures of me as it is.

Log1c

@Log1c: haha well uh..well thanks! lol
There are tons of phones who have a nice camera on them that are thin, the RZR 2 is pretty damn nice. tons of little phones with ok cameras.

@Kaiser-Machead's got LindsayJoy's cookies on the SuperDrive: I think you jut may be right.

@Kramen loves her MBP: Stop judging other people, you're crazy too!

Kramen loves her MBP

Let's pit this 8.1 MP camera against my Canon 20D (same rez) and take a look at the image 1:1 and see what kind of detail resolution we have. =)

Soundman1402

@Kramen loves her MBP: Maybe he's that two headed monster from Sesame Street.

@Kaiser-Machead's got LindsayJoy's cookies on the SuperDrive: Shuttup n00b you don't know nothin.

Kaiser-Machead's got LindsayJoy's cookies on the SuperDrive

@Kramen loves her MBP: I don't want a camera on my phone. Actually, I don't want half these features on my phone, unless it gets small enough that there isn't a huge brick in my pocket (I'm happy enough to see you thanks).

Log1c

@jige: Are you on any methamphetamine?

Kramen loves her MBP

@sonar_un: They don't need them, people just like the numbers. 12 megapixel Crapola Brand Chinatown street corner cameras take shitty pictures, but look, THEY HAVE 12 FRAKKIN MEGAPIXELS! That said, many of the better phones made now, like the iPhone and its 2MP camera take very passable shots for every day phone-shooting. They're not going to be frameworthy by any stretch of the imagination, but they get the job done. It matters more to me that it can handle more light conditions than take super clear shots. If it looks good on the phone's display, that's all that really matters.

Kaiser-Machead's got LindsayJoy's cookies on the SuperDrive

@jige: Yes, something like that.

jige

@jige: So what you're saying is that "someone" needs a 8.1 Mp cam-cell?

jige

@Kramen loves her MBP: I don't think they do. Me on the other hand: I want it to be able to travel lightly. If I pack a DSLR on the bike it will only be used when I stop for lunch or so. A cell-cam I can popup anytime.

jige

@sonar_un: Most people don't need 8MP, at most average camera users need is 3 maybe even 5. The industry knows how naive most consumers are and they think the higher the megapixel the higher the quality and the better it is, that is NOT the case.

Kramen loves her MBP

It's a Camera!
It's a Phone!
Camera!
Phone!
Camera-Phone!

W/Sony-proprietary memorystick pro dou too!

SigmundTheSeaMonster

@Kramen loves her MBP: I disagree, I think all cell phones need an 8MP camera. Regardless of weather or not 8MP really makes a difference in image quality.

The fact is, eventually your cell phone won't be a cell phone so much as a personal communication / entertainment device. In that regard, 8MB is great! 8GB of memory would be better, 3D video would be better...

Eventually it will all come, any innovation is just one step further in creating a do all / everything in your pocket device.

sonar_un

Hmm, looking at the sides, the design reminds me of some of the 1920's folding cameras from my collection. Nice.

I'll pray that it will not have Symbian...

jige

Still not the time to do cellphone announcements.

The Incredible OMG! Ponies!

I've gotta say, I would rather see pictures from the phone than pictures of the phone.

Munch

Does anyone not get that no one needs a damn 8.1 megapixel camera on their cell phones?

Kramen loves her MBP

Yeah, this should tide me over nicely until the 5th Generation iPhone (aka iTaser).

ctthoqqua

Hey, that's more like it. I'm 100% sure it has MMS! Hope the lens justifies the 8.1 Mp camera.

jige

@ichi1: Yeah, it's the same with crap technology, crap cameras, crap musical instruments, crap whatever ... you're far better off spending more to buy exactly what you really want because otherwise you end up spending even more because you have to buy the item twice.

GeekyNerdGuy

@Kramen loves her MBP: From what I've seen, Nokia is using this spiel more, but from personal experience most high end SE phone have good cameras, not matter the pixel count. Apple...well at least they have one.

A word of warning: Slim phone + Billion pixel camera = crap, but in big resolution. This thing looks chunky, so maybe it's a good thing

Groggy Banana

@ichi1: You drink a lot... don't you?

Kramen loves her MBP

@Platypus Man: You don't have to buy a camera phone there are phones without cameras, Then you have the nerve to complain about the camera on the phone just because you bought a crap cameraphone. You don't have to use it , its not compulsory and as you pointed out if you only want to take the odd picture it is great especially if you buy a decent camera maybe a cyber shot 5mp model

"Not to mention, there's no good way to get pictures off of it. "<<< Thats because you got a crap phone ffs. It is as easy to transfer photos off a phone as a camera it called a f'ing usb cable

"Yeah, I know I probably don't need the 8.1 megapixels, but whatever. My main fear is the cost..."<<< if you had not wasted your money on a crap phone in the first place you would not need to buy a new one.

I have always had a hatred of people who buy crap technology and moan when it does not work as well as more expensive tech, we have a word for people like you...... wankers

ichi1

@MrBlahBlah: I highly doubt that they will make a good cell phone camera that comes with optical zoom. I don't even think the chinese have done it!

@Groggy Banana: Right, all I am saying is, is that these companies are playing smart by probably putting a shitty high megapixel camera on a cell phone and making people spend a few hundred bucks on it. Most users are so naive and they figure the higher something is on a product the better.

Kramen loves her MBP

Looks like a k800, but with rims and suicide doors. At least SE didn't forget to make almost decent looking phones.
@Kramen loves her MBP: 2mp would be fine too, but what makes the difference is auto-focus, some kind of flash and better sensors. SE was at least the first to understand this. My old k750 still makes better pictures than most of today's point and shoots.

Groggy Banana

I think what they're trying to do with this one is instead of having a phone with a camera addon, they are working to make a truly hybrid device. One that has a camera capable of taking pictures that compete with other compact digital cameras and that has a phone that completes with the best cell phones on the market.

Of all the cell phone cameras I have seen, I have not met one capable or capturing an image as well as any of my compact digitals.

Amsterdaam - KEEP SMILING

@Kramen loves her MBP: Your comment about higher megapixels not necessarily being better is absolutely right, especially on a camera phone. They just aren't up to digicam standards, yet. My son has an HTC 6800 and I think it's just a 2 megapixel and it takes really nice pics, for a phone, that is.

maven2k

@Groggy Banana: I just don't buy it. I highly doubt anyone who is serious about their photography would use THIS as their camera. Most cell phone users probably wouldn't know the difference between a 5MP and a 8MP photo. This is just part of the myth that more megapixels are better.

Kramen loves her MBP

@Simpsons-Movie-ruled: Buy a Nokia N____of your choice.

Groggy Banana

@Kramen loves her MBP: That's the thing. Most users don't want or don't even care about a dslr. They just want to make a decent photo anytime and anywhere, without hassle and same goes for me. For a camera, it's easy, but for a phone, yeah, it's surprisingly hard to do just even that.

Once you have good camera phone, you don't even realize you need it. After all the shit phones SE been craping, this one might be a better alternative instead of the iphone's touchy goodness, at least for what I need.

Groggy Banana

I sell mobile phones for O2 and i must say this is going to be a best seller

S.E K-series and W-series has a cult following in the UK,

because people in the U.K love sending pictures and videos to each other vis bluetooth, in school, after a good night out etc...

Looking forwards to getting my hands on the following phones in the next few months

N96
X1
iPhone 3G
HTC Diamond...

just had the S.E C902 in 2 days ego.. sick sick phone, the built quality is solid and the camera quality is better than the N82 and the 95 8GB (which after testing all the 5mp cam/phones is the best so far.

sold 15 in two days (my store in based in a little town in Wales in the U.K)

last note: If 100% of the UK iphone buying population was to be made aware of the bluetooth been crippled in the iPhone the sale will drop 50% guaranteed. bluetooth is HUGE here

(the U.K population love sharing pictures and videos i guess)

The Full English Please!!

@maven2k: My blackberry curve takes decent photos too. I use that when I don't think the picture is necessarily worth my time and effort to take out and turn my camera on, set up the right features and take a picture. People are getting jipped, losers.

Kramen loves her MBP

All I want is a camera phone that takes awesome video. Oh and actually captures the BADASS sound.

+ Watch video

Simpsons-Movie-ruled

@ichi1: OK, I suppose it's possible to buy a phone without a camera, but at least where I am, that also means the lack of a color screen, so yeah, my phone has a camera. Thing is, though, when I bought it, I knew the camera would suck and I didn't care. Still don't. I don't use it to take pictures because it has a terrible camera. I do think that there might be some situations where I would take pictures, but not enough to carry around a decent camera with me just in case.

And my phone is a phone with a tacked on camera. The reason there's no USB port or anything like that is because it's... a phone. And it's not a crap phone. It works well for making calls. The crappy camera does not make it a crappy phone. I did not waste my money.

I didn't buy crap technology and I'm not moaning about how it doesn't work as well. This, I think, looks like it has a camera decent enough to be a "real" camera, and there's a phone there too, so I only need one device. I never expected my phone to take brilliant pictures. I don't want it to and I'm not dissapointed that it doesn't, you wanker.

Platypus Man

@Platypus Man: What phone is it?? so we can laugh at a phone with a crap tacked on camera with no usb port or any port that can not connect a usb cable to.

ichi1

Nice to see some more photos of this beast.

@jige: try not to be so obvious the next time you pat yourself on the back.

mcknn

@ichi1: It's the Nokia 6215i. It's nothing special, like I said, but it works well as a telephone. Any review you find (which I read before buying) will tell you it's camera sucks, which I knew going in.

And my apologies, you can apparently connect it to a USB port, but it requires an adaptor cord that wouldn't be worth it if it were free.

Oh, and by the way, "we" is clearly just you. No one else cares.

Platypus Man

@Platypus Man: "its camera," not "it's camera." My bad.

Platypus Man

@Kramen loves her MBP: I'm glad you told me that because that might be my next phone.

maven2k

@Kramen loves her MBP:

I do. I would love to have my backup camera combined with my cell for those times I don't have my SLR handy.

groovyone

@Carmen is VERY sick: So an 8 mega-pixel camera is NOT better than a 3 mega-pixel camera? My world was just flipped upside down.

Tastic7

@Tastic7: Carmen is better than your 3 megapixel camera :-)

ichi1

@Platypus Man: That phone is a style phone , (by style phone I mean a badly specced phone that looks pretty) although the Nokia 6215i has no style it is like a try hard emo kid just look at that ugly antenna , yes its small and has an oled screen. Oh yeah the camera VGA yes people VGA and from all accounts it a big pile of stinking crap.

Yeah I guess everyone was so discusted with your choice of gadgets they were physically sick at your bad gadget choice.

ichi1

@ichi1: I don't care if you want to call it a "style phone" or anything like that. I like the way it looks and I don't give two craps what other people think about it. When it comes down to it, it's a friggin phone. It makes and receives telephone calls. That's the important part and that's why I bought it. Its specs? Let's see... it makes telephone calls! Check! It also receives them. Check! Color screen (I don't care that it's OLED). Check!

You put way too much care into what a phone looks like. Yeah, it's nice if it looks good (and I think this one does, but not excessively so), and even if it didn't, it wouldn't matter. Function far over form. It. is. a. phone. The rest is completely inconsequential.

And this isn't "bad gadget choice." It's not even a gadget. It's a phone. I sought out to buy a phone that did what a phone does, not a sleek super-expensive do-everything gadget. Guess what? I got one. Maybe if I were trying to pass this thing off as an awesome gadget, but I'm clearly not.

Oh, and with "big pile of stinking crap" and people getting "physically sick," I could've sworn we were talking about... your mom!! Ha ha ha. No, I'm done now. I've made my thoughts clear.

Platypus Man

@Platypus Man: haha , your retorts are sooo lame , first your call me a wanker, which I called you first , and then the old 'your mom' gag.

If you change your phone any time soon ie before your phone dies, you will relise that you have just proved how bad your phone is and think 'that ichi he is not bad after all, he just wants to help people buy gadgets they truly deserve" and I have the smug satifaction that I am right and you were wrong. So keep your big pile of stinking crap phone and don't shoot the ichi.

ichi1

@Kramen loves her MBP: Carmen, I do understand your point, and I am sure that the lense does not justify the 8MP, but fact of the matter is we need upgrades to warrant new purchases and in the end if I want to have the ability to take a wide shot and the crop the hell out of my pictures, I should have that.

As you have stated before you do keep your canon in your purse, well unfortunately being a straight man I do not have a purse and I do not want to carry around all of my gadgets. My k790 is starting to get long in the tooth and I can not wait for a better camera phone.

Canuck.Viking

Regardless of most aspects, an 8 mega-pixel camera inside a cell phone is better than a 3 mega-pixel camera inside a cell phone. Perhaps not by much, but if mega-pixels made as little difference as everyone here is saying, then it's logical that they wouldn't be advertised at all by any camera manufacturer. Yes, there are other factors which increase image clarity and photo quality, but it's a fucking cell phone.

An 8.1 mega-pixel camera in a cell phone this size is fairly impressive. I'm not one who flips out about this kind of thing, but I'm also not sitting on the fence waiting for a digital single-lens reflex camera to be slapped onto my iPhone.

I don't know why I'm defending Sony Ericsson; I've had nothing but bad experiences with their products.

Tastic7