@jenheta: 70 min? I think i would burn that up in a week calling craptacular time warner that my internet is out again, and yes i have rebooted the router, and made sure the coaxial and ethernet cables are firmly plugged in!!!

Dapole

@NetSlut: Apparently so, but expect to pay far more than £150 ($299) for it i reckon, but i really still don't understand why everyone complains about AT&T, why not just unlock it and use it on your current network? Is there another restriction?

Bazil

It will be interesting to see what the pricing in places like India...

sfokevin

Stop whining. Brazilians will pay something between US$1678 (70 min + 30 text + 10MB) and US$5883 (750 min + 200 text + 150MB).

And our gas price is f***ing US$6 per gallon.

Well, at least we do have hot women...

jenheta

Yes, but we european bastards have better phones to look out for.

NightBlade

At last! For once we're not getting screwed over tech prices! Apps from the app store are guaranteed to cost at least 20% more in the uk though, :( Our moment in the sun will soon be over.

Turin

seriously at&t, fuck you.

MrBlahBlah

@jesusdiaz: You got my hopes up. I don't know why that $5 bugs me so much...

itchytooth

It's times like these I thank the weak US economy and the rising oil prices.

What I save by using public transportation is enough to afford an iPhone.

Oh, and the beer here is still cheap :)

Sottren

@Bazil: The iphone for AT&T is not pay as you go. It is only by contract.

innout3x3

Heinekin Light? Wow, that had better be free. Regular Heinekin is turrible, and i haven't met a beer yet where lightening makes it taste better.

drewheyman

Rogers has a sneak peak on the Canadian version of their website (weird tho, as it sends you to the .com version). Rogers offers an unlimited Data plan now for 22$ per month (on top of voice plan). I guess we'll just have to wait and see

cheechitup88

@Bazil: It is going to be offered on PAYG in the UK from O2 -- it's listed on their web site as an option coming soon...

NetSlut

LOL, i'll wait until christmas for my upgrade buy then it should be free here also, wait AT&T might do something similar here also with the high end calling plans, since they look like highway robbery

snitch29

@itchytooth: 200 messages is a $5/month addition. It's factored in the total cost of the AT&T plan, as shown in Jason's post. Otherwise, it's zero SMS.

jesusdiaz

At last the UK isnt left behind with Apple advances. Still, we dont even have iTunes ringtones yet. Im not about to buy them but its the principal. We only got a film service on iTunes last week!

xshortx

Huzzah for the weak US dollar!
First Wii Fit...and now this....where's my bloody passport???

Anubis LG

Oh, yes.. I almost forgot. I officially hate Europeans now. Lucky bastards.

Monty

@se7a7n7: According to Wiki, it can be spelled with a C...

Anks329

I was told that there would not be any math involved in my iPhone plan pricing calculations.

Why can't Apple just sell the phone for what they want to sell it for, and the carriers charge what they are going to charge to activate it - and be done with this convoluted 'what you pay over X months' nonsense?

It is a rhetorical question, of course. I know why they do it, but I just don't know why they do it.

Monty

@DestroyerMTL:

I love how Rogers has the hottest smart phones on the planet (and shit for everything else--but more than Telus) and doesn't even have any information on their website regarding the iPhone. What a bunch of d-bags. Gawd, I wish Telus or Bell would switch to GSM.

sharmanova

FOR FRAK'S SAKE, THERE IS NO "C" IN "FRAK"

se7a7n7

@innout3x3: i dont get it, then surely you could get this thing on pay as you go? does it work the same as the UK? and how come your not offered it on pay as you go?

Bazil

SO basically, I have a reason to hate AT&T more? AWESOME!

Jones91

Free Heineken? Where?

Ireland

Wow....

Speaking of which, I have 3 Heinies in the fridge!

Kaiser-Machead's got LindsayJoy's cookies on the SuperDrive

well well well, guess who's moving to england this summer? thats right, me. ooooohhhh yeah. I KNEW I made the right college choices.

On a different note, my head of school just called this thing an "iPhone G3". shows how much he knows.

Alfonzo

@Bazil: we have pay as you go. It's a real pos in the states.

innout3x3

O2 also have a Pay as you Go option aswell apparently, definitely going to be much cheaper, don't know if the Americans even have pay as you go, but im sure you can simply get this thing unlocked and use any sim in it, theres really no restrictions here.

Bazil

@itchytooth: I meant the US AT&T plan.

itchytooth

Just wait for Canada's pricing.

It'll be $200 a month for an "unlimited" and "generous" 20MB of data and 150 voice minutes. Oh and evenings and weekends start at 9pm.

Fuck you Ted Rogers. Fuck you.

DestroyerMTL

Dang it, I hate ATT.. If it wasn't for the iPhone, I would have left them a LONG time ago. I'm like a moth to a flame.

GiantEnemyCrab

Wait, do we know that the iPhone 3G plan includes 200 text messages? I thought we were going to have to buy those in addition.

itchytooth

Okay, but where are they getting the free beer?

92BuickLeSabre

@ drewhyman: Heineken only tastes decent in Europe. So: fly to Europe.

nuclearlove

For once it is good to be in Europe! Shame I don't want to go to O2 or use monthly subscriptions (Pay as You Go and iPod Touch all the way!)

Yeebles

Does O2 and Telefonica have the concept of rollover minutes? And...has AT&T confirmed the pricing for text messages? I have the existing AT&T customer plan on my current iPhone. Its essentially an iPhone adder to an existing voice plan. I have 450 rollover minutes, 5000 night and weekends, unlimited mobile to mobile for $39.99, unlimited data and 1500 text messages for a $30 adder. With rollover, 450 minutes is fine for me. I'm slowly building up a hefty reserve of talk time. After all the tax and crud the monthly bill is $82.

Rand

Two things Jesús:

First: why there is no info at all in Gizmodo's Spain page??
Second: Where can I find the info telling that we are getting the iPhone for free in Spain, Ok, there is a press release for O2 in the UK, and Ok, O2 is Telefónica, but, Movistar and O2 doesn't have to have the same tariffs. I not saying you are wrong, but the info concearning Movistar (Telefónica mobile division in Spain) is missing, did you just believe it, or you know it??

valis

@Dapole: and 70 min is not the worst plan available for Brazilians.

When Steve Jobs mentioned that 90%+ users were satisfied with their iPhones, it made me wonder if he was holding his tongue to avoid mentioning cellphone providers.

jenheta

@Bazil: Basically, the iPhone isn't offered on pay-as-you-go in the US because AT&T says so. There's no technical reason why it wouldn't work; just AT&T won't activate it for that.

HeartBurnKid

I just bought a new BMW for the equivalent of what Brits pay for a Honda Civic. They're the ones getting screwed.

bobdobbs' MBA misses LindsayJoy's MBP

that's great. the folks in the UK get a free iphone . . . but they pay $15 a gallon for gas. let's calculate the cost of that for 2 years.

doodoostain

Buuuuuut and a very big but (haha) we have to pay £1.20 for a litre of petrol here , and everything cost double what it does in america so just count ure selves lucky jahhh

jmzwheadon

yeah, they may have better iPhone plans, but do those European countries have a kickass President like we do?

...

fuck.

Parapraxis

Oh, and don't forget that we're *paying* for incoming calls and texts in the USA too. The Third World has a better mobile-phone ecosystem than us.

AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!!!!!

(facepalm)

Donk In A Box

the Spaniard i just sold my iphone to wont be happy. :(

untitledjL

@valis: I don't have anything to do with Gizmodo Spain anymore, sorry. The information comes straight from an internal Telefonica note. It also adds the following:

"En España, además, el nuevo iPhone 3G se venderá desde el principio en los
1.000 puntos de ventas más significativos de Telefónica. Así, el estreno
de la Flagship de Gran Vía, 28, en Madrid, que tiene prevista su apertura
para los primeros días de julio, coincidirá con la puesta en el mercado
del dispositivo más esperado en el panorama de la telefonía móvil."

jesusdiaz

Lucky bastards indeed. In Germany, T-Mobile still tries to sell 1st gen iPhones for up to 499 Euros - that's 775 US-$, mind you, and in addition to that you still have to pay up to 89 Euros per month for 2 years. And you're not allowed to use VoIP or IM.

hanswurst0815

@HeartBurnKid: can see why you guys really hate AT&T then. Although i really do think the iPhone is sold at ridiculous prices in the US then, $300 and then u gotta pay for the contract on top of that! Daylight robbery from Apple i tell you!

Bazil

So the UK gets one thing cheaper for a change and everyone is all over their back? Just compare the price of everything else, it's not really fair to complain.

Itsuru

1200 minutes and 500 texts for £45 is a rip-off, especially since in most countries but the US, people tend to text far more than call.

T-Mobile offers a tariff in the UK which gives you 600 minutes and unlimited texts for £30/month and there's a pretty large range of handsets available free on it.

The problem Apple have in the UK is that even if you want the iPhone, O2's tariffs are wank - they just don't have enough texts.

Step666

I didn't see anything about unlimited nights and weekends. Which. Is. Standard. on ATT. And, at least for me, those minutes contribute considerably to the value of the plan. Just sayin'...

letmebe

For everyone who is saying, "fuck my country, blah blah blah", I have a better idea: how about, fuck the world? Who needs it? I mean, seriously, there are 8 - oops, I mean, 7 - other planets out there for us to go over and fuck up on, so you know what? Who's with me? Let's go to Mars, or Jupiter! Or Uranus!

mbrydges

how the heck can you sell a phone with a keyboard with 0 text messages? and 200 is incredibly insufficient.

johcagaorl

I need to know - can I go to the UK and temporarily swap out the SIM for another carrier? As this would no doubt then require unlocking, would I have any issues when I get back to the US and stick AT&T's back in?

jfj

Heineken?

PABST BLUE RIBBON!!!

David Hildreth

sick and tired of this iphone crap...Give it a rest already. Shit!!!

stingray

I'll just sell my old iphone since they're going for over $400 dollars on ebay cause there not available anymore & subsidy the cost of the new model myself with the $400 am getting for the old one

snitch29

@sharmanova: I walked past a rogers wireless store today and outside they had a hanging banner which read "something big is coming to rogers" and had a picture of a black rectangle. Leads me to believe they are talking about the iPhone.

and actually, I believe somebody recently voiced their opinion to me in another giz post that there's no way that Apple would POSSIBLY allow their precious baby to be sold for less than $200...

*awaits apology*

ascurtis

Boy, I am going to love my 1st gen hacked phone with 1000 anytime min, ulimited data and text! What the hell do I need gps for? I have a gps mobile unit.

teamrev

@DestroyerMTL: So true man. And i was thinking of leaving Bell for this beauty but Rogers plans suck so much i can't imagine it being any better for the iPhone. I'll wait and see but i doubt i'll be getting one for that reason :'(

lmulaire

What the fuck, over!!! Nice to see the over-taxation and hatred towards capitalism has paid off somehow over there.

apeguero

The worst thing is that in Mexico we gonna pay something like that:

Iphone 3G 500 USD ( with all taxes included) with 2 year contract and oh yeah-.... only 20 SMS and 50 min and oh hell 20 MB for 3G...WTF!!... all this for only 50 bucks a month..... damn it!!

iscangel

Look at the bright side. Android will be here soon. I'd love to have an IPhone but fuck AT&T and their sky high rates. I'll wait and look forward to 2012 when Apple is free from the clutches of ma bell. There's bound to be an Android based phone I like if they ever get the damn thing out of beta.

Thrillcekr

Ted Rogers is a total oldschool asshole who carts around briefcases off crap because he doesn't want to learn how to use a computer. This is the guy who owns the largest
"hi-tech" network in canada.

This is why we r in the stone ages.

Silverback

@Thrillcekr: If the ancient Mayan's are anybody to go by, 2012 isn't exactly a year to look forward to.. Didn't they predict the lunar cycle down to something like 32 seconds off what it really is? Clever mamma-jammas.

Just a question for those in the know: Does anybody think the iPhone will get special treatment by Rogers like a special plan or something? And if so, will hardware upgrades apply for the iPhone? Thats the only saving grace to Rogers.

ascurtis

do the european plans include unlimited mobile-to-mobile, free nights, free weekends?

snapplez

I don't know how ubiquitous The Cloud and BT OpenZone are in the UK, but that could end up being the best part of this deal. Wifi > 3G in so many ways. What do we get, Starbucks wifi? Blech.

isoSasquatch

does anywhere in EU have rollover?

noservice2001

im more interested in the monthly plans for denmark. Here, the phone companies are forced by law to only have you pay for 6 months, after that you can choose to get it cheaper from then on or change company and keep the phone.

there's no way in hell they are gonna keep me for over one year.

Rexter

@Sottren: Sorry to say that the best place in the world to drink beer, wine or any other alcoholic drink is in Europe, and it´s called Spain. Go and ask our neighbours from UK, Netherlands, Germany or Sweden...

@untitledjL: Sure, but he deserves what you did him. A little bit more informed, and he would have known that another iPhone was coming.

literato

I saw on the o2 website that there was a payg iPhone option - It read details released on the 11th

Jakus

@bobdobbs' MBA misses LindsayJoy's MBP: no offence to your new BMW, very very beautiful machines, but did you buy a one series with a option for an engine later?

Dapole

Awww, jeez. I wonder about the Hong Kong 3 thing.

michaelleung

@jenheta: Let's see what the Dutch T-mobile plans will be. And oh, we pay $ 9.40 a gallon for our gas, so we'd better get some reaaaaally good plans!

sirtalis

Wow, 1600 dollars for a 8GB iPhone, not too bad... :')

@literato - True, but only because they sell a lot of Dutch and Belgian beer in Spain ;)

Knirfie

UK has been fukin us over on price for a long time! just look at the pricing of iphone 1!

well done apple/o2 for waking up!

payg price rumoured to be approx £269 $520 look out ebay :)

h3r0

@literato: Actually, beer in spain is shit compared to many other places in Europe, who have a longer beer tradition than us spaniards. Another subject is the fact that beer in Spain--under the heat on the beach, a village, or a bar anywhere, having some good tapas--tastes better than anywhere else. But that's the environmental factors, not the beer itself. I've found plenty of better beers elsewhere.

jesusdiaz

So £99 + 18 x £30 is a bargain is it? (That's $1300)
For a phone that can't handle video calling or even picture messaging?
Welcome to the early 21st Century, Apple fanboys!

BritSwedeGuy

@literato: Eastern Europe is the best place to find good beers but the best place to drink it is wherever your mates are.

For example, I know a lovely little pub in York down near the river with a huge selection of draught and bottled beers. Gimme three of four friends and a sunny afternoon and there will be no better place in the world to sit and drink.

Step666

My nokia e65 and n73 has almost has many features if not more, and costs me almost nothing...

Rexter

Damn let's hope that TIM and Vodafone here in Italy will not be too greedy (especially on data plans, actually they suck) so I could get a shiny new iphone, otherwise I'll stick to my old one

Rumors say that vodafone will sell a unlocked version (for prepaid users) at 499€ (that's 773 $)

luca.c81

aren't u European?

Crescent

how Heineken managed to get interest in their piss water is beyond me. Now STELLA ARTOIS - THAT'S good beer!! Get me free Stella for 2 years, and I'll buy YOU a iPhone!!

banmojo

Another thing to be considered is that beverages are ceaper here in Spain than in any other country of Europe.

But why am I trying to convince you, Jesús? You should know everything I´ve written!

literato

@jesusdiaz: @Step666: Belgian, german or czech beers are wonderful (ok, I like almost all kinds of beer). But try to find one of those "sunny afternoons" on one of those countries. Percentage of sunny days in Spain is over all other european countries (maybe not in the case of Croatia and Greece, which have same weather than us).

Take your friends and you favourite beer with you, and we´ll give you the sunny day. Probably the beer you´re carrying could be find here, but that´s another point.
Same if you prefer to go to Greece or Croatia; nice weather, wonderful sea, and mediterranean people.

What else?

literato

In Italy iPhone 3G 499 or 569 euro... http://iphone.vodafone.it/

CadmanKoopa

So, should I feel bad for enjoying Heineken?

Also, I don't see the relation between Heineken Light and the iPhone.

ttech10

Oh at least I have one good thing in my county... the alcohol is much cheaper than in other economically stronger countries:)
Chears!!!

djmickey83

Trust me!!!
You all are lucky! I'm from Serbia, and I can't even dream about iPhone.
How the things are going here... We won't gonna see iPhone until Apple releases v20:(.
Until now the price of the unlocked version of the iPhone was around 600eur (930$) and 2MB of downloaded data was 1eur(1.5$)... Now U do the math:(
PS: sorry for my bad English

djmickey83

@sharmanova: Actually, Rogers does have the iPhone on the site - just no details yet. I states on the site 'Something Big is coming July 11'.. So anyone who is interested in this iteration of the iPhone knows already Rogers is releasing it July 11.. Anyway as for Rogers' pricing, they will most likely offer a semi decent data plan for average data usage - otherwise, Apple would have never offered and eventually sold the iPhone in Canada.

I am however familiar with Rogers and their douchebaggery, and am preparing to eat my words. Great data plan or not, I'm still buying the iPhone 3G.

robot-shmobot

Australia doesn't even have any unlimitted offer ! How the hell are they going to sort this out?

izhak

@isoSasquatch:
There are plenty about, I live in a pretty small town and there are several cloud hotspots that almost cover the centre of town and then most BT call boxes have bt openzone. All Mcdonalds have wi-fi available (although it is free to everyone not just iphone users). Pretty pleased that for once $199 does not mean £199 in the UK. We have been hit with that big gay electronics exchange rate for too long.

UbertoDawit

Rogers press release say its on a 3 year plan. No word on anything else yet.

[micro.newswire.ca]

bigbooda

how much is the cancelation fee? cause i would just do that like 100 times if it was about $200 after you can unlock them and sell them for about 600 on ebay

jinndtonic

FYI, Heineken is Dutch... and since we don't have a United States of Europe (yet, thank God..), the Heineken doesn't make much sense. You should have used San Miguel (Damn, I miss that here) for Spain, and Guiness for Britain, just to piss the English off, because only the Scotish (and to some extend, the Irish and Welsh) have famous beers.

Makes me wonder what the Dutch plans will be like... probably we'll get screwed big time, like allways...

MYRZ

i know this is really off topic, but could you guys please be more aware of things like this?

"with a $88 monthly"

Shouldn't that be aN $88 plan?

it's like saying a apple.. 'grinds my gears'

Also, having recently signed a contract for one year with Orange, i'm a bit peeved at this new found freebie..

'Gutted'

also jmzwheadon is absolutely fricken right.. (above)
you guys need to count yourselves as the lucky ones.. £1.18 a litre!!!

That One Guy..

Ops,
pwned by Europe.

Karl Roos

Hello! Honest question: If you can buy pay as u go....what's to stop people from buying them overseas and bringing them back home to use on any network? Thanks!

ZakiOates

damn those Europeans. Free iPhones better cars and keeley hazel. Not fair

Drunkpanda

It's frak, not frack. As in, "it's abso-fraking-lutley un-fraking-believable what you have to fraking pay for a fraking Jesus phone.

Gunsotsu

light beers without taste doesn't exist in europe...

EdricAstypalaea

@itchytooth: he is figuring in the $5 a month extra for 200 texts

ab03

This still isn't a very good deal compared to other phones in the UK... all which have the same/better features as the iphone.... it should be free on the £35 a month...

scuba2steve