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	<title>Comments on: Why The System Is F%^ked &#8211; Channel 9 Wins Appeal Against IceTV</title>
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		<title>By: Peter Vogel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Vogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As the guy who had the idea, some 20 years ago, to recreate the TV guide by observation and prediction, I&#039;ve written some thoughts about the whole sorry saga on my blog www.vogelross.com.au/vrblog&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Peter Vogel&lt;br /&gt;
(Who once told Nine &quot;so sue me&quot;)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the guy who had the idea, some 20 years ago, to recreate the TV guide by observation and prediction, I&#8217;ve written some thoughts about the whole sorry saga on my blog <a href="http://www.vogelross.com.au/vrblog" rel="nofollow">http://www.vogelross.com.au/vrblog</a></p>
<p>Peter Vogel<br />
(Who once told Nine &#8220;so sue me&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: GW</title>
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		<dc:creator>GW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don&#039;t blame the judges. Write to Channel 9 and say you won&#039;t watch it as you have no guide. And then volunteer for one of those ratings boxes.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;David Gyngell&lt;br /&gt;
CEO&lt;br /&gt;
Channel 9&lt;br /&gt;
PO Box 27&lt;br /&gt;
Willoughby NSW 2068&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t blame the judges. Write to Channel 9 and say you won&#8217;t watch it as you have no guide. And then volunteer for one of those ratings boxes.</p>
<p>David Gyngell<br />
CEO<br />
Channel 9<br />
PO Box 27<br />
Willoughby NSW 2068</p>
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		<title>By: BOB BOY</title>
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		<dc:creator>BOB BOY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;C9 license (for a fee) their guide data to various newspaper and website publishers. IceTV do copy C9&#039;s scheduling data from these various C9 licensees ... without paying! C9 have a right to flex their muscles, especially when they are ot getting their &quot;cut&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;C9 are ethically being selfish but not licensing their data to IceTV, but legally they do have a case for action. No action has been taken against OZTIVO because they provide the EPG data for &quot;free&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As much as ICETV say they are not copying C9 data directly, the fact that ICETV modify their guide based on published licensee data causes ICEGUIDE, over a period of time, to be derived from C9 data.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It sucks, but C9 has a legal right to be a jerk about their EPG licensing! :&#124;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C9 license (for a fee) their guide data to various newspaper and website publishers. IceTV do copy C9&#8217;s scheduling data from these various C9 licensees &#8230; without paying! C9 have a right to flex their muscles, especially when they are ot getting their &#8220;cut&#8221;.</p>
<p>C9 are ethically being selfish but not licensing their data to IceTV, but legally they do have a case for action. No action has been taken against OZTIVO because they provide the EPG data for &#8220;free&#8221;.</p>
<p>As much as ICETV say they are not copying C9 data directly, the fact that ICETV modify their guide based on published licensee data causes ICEGUIDE, over a period of time, to be derived from C9 data.</p>
<p>It sucks, but C9 has a legal right to be a jerk about their EPG licensing! :|</p>
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		<title>By: prentty</title>
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		<dc:creator>prentty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 02:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Im Prentty. I didn&#039;t know what is happen in there BUT what is channel nine doing is bad becouse they make alots people alose job and if they can&#039;t see they other side of this life then they not part of human. Look other people and forget your idiot business to make other company is lose. Thanks GOD i didn&#039;t need to be a lawyer because they job is just to be a ego person.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Im Prentty. I didn&#8217;t know what is happen in there BUT what is channel nine doing is bad becouse they make alots people alose job and if they can&#8217;t see they other side of this life then they not part of human. Look other people and forget your idiot business to make other company is lose. Thanks GOD i didn&#8217;t need to be a lawyer because they job is just to be a ego person.</p>
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		<title>By: Logiebear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Logiebear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 00:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thewinchester I was just thinking the same. That was a great moment in Logie history...and lets face it that show needs as as many crutches as it can get.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thewinchester I was just thinking the same. That was a great moment in Logie history&#8230;and lets face it that show needs as as many crutches as it can get.</p>
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		<title>By: thewinchester</title>
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		<dc:creator>thewinchester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 06:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ditto stevothedevo. I recall a great joke cracked by Gary McDonald (Norman Gunston, Mother and Son) when presenting one of this years logies.. which went something like this:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;GMcD: This year has been a great year for Comedy, with almost every free to air network being nominated in this category.&lt;br /&gt;
GMcD: Except Channel Nine of course, who&#039;s programming schedule has been the biggest joke of the year by far.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Seriously, the Nine Network has gone to hell in a handbasket since Kerry Packer fell off the perch. I bet you he&#039;s turning in his grave seeing what his Scientology freak boy of a son has done to his once cherished network.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto stevothedevo. I recall a great joke cracked by Gary McDonald (Norman Gunston, Mother and Son) when presenting one of this years logies.. which went something like this:</p>
<p>GMcD: This year has been a great year for Comedy, with almost every free to air network being nominated in this category.<br />
GMcD: Except Channel Nine of course, who&#8217;s programming schedule has been the biggest joke of the year by far.</p>
<p>Seriously, the Nine Network has gone to hell in a handbasket since Kerry Packer fell off the perch. I bet you he&#8217;s turning in his grave seeing what his Scientology freak boy of a son has done to his once cherished network.</p>
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		<title>By: Suspense</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suspense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 05:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Does this writer have any idea what he is talking about? Judges on million dollar salaries? Not even close. Judges wanting this to continue so they earn more? If they aren&#039;t running this case they&#039;re running another, so the length of litigation has no bearing on their income. Why slander judges when you obviously don&#039;t know what you&#039;re talking about. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t disagree that Channel 9 are being utterly moronic about this, but why does this article contain irrelevant and unnecsesary slander?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this writer have any idea what he is talking about? Judges on million dollar salaries? Not even close. Judges wanting this to continue so they earn more? If they aren&#8217;t running this case they&#8217;re running another, so the length of litigation has no bearing on their income. Why slander judges when you obviously don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re talking about. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t disagree that Channel 9 are being utterly moronic about this, but why does this article contain irrelevant and unnecsesary slander?</p>
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		<title>By: David D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 03:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Another classic case of the legal system being run by people who are so out of touch with reality it&#039;s not funny. Surely these Judges must have been ordinary people with a brain at some point.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The programming on the free to air stations has got so random that they have made me into another torrent convert. Screw then all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another classic case of the legal system being run by people who are so out of touch with reality it&#8217;s not funny. Surely these Judges must have been ordinary people with a brain at some point.</p>
<p>The programming on the free to air stations has got so random that they have made me into another torrent convert. Screw then all.</p>
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		<title>By: StevoTheDevo</title>
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		<dc:creator>StevoTheDevo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 02:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bah!! Who cares..&lt;br /&gt;
Channel Nine&#039;s lineup is bereft of quality shows anyway.. I don&#039;t need a guide to decide I don&#039;t want to watch any of their drivel??&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bah!! Who cares..<br />
Channel Nine&#8217;s lineup is bereft of quality shows anyway.. I don&#8217;t need a guide to decide I don&#8217;t want to watch any of their drivel??</p>
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