Maybe they didn't steal anyones work.. maybe you guys are jumping the gun and they ASKED PERMISSION and got rights to use the work. Something many artist would probably love..

Krutch

As an artist, I wouldn't mind if someone decided take influence from, or even recreate my personal work. I don't have illusions that I create something new or unique, I just absorb what is around me, just like everyone else. But for heavens sake! That arm is a direct copy/paste! I really hope some asses get whipped because of such tasteless plagiarism.

ara

The artist shouldn't have to sue. As soon as one of the execs was made aware of the rip off the artists that stole the work should be fired and sued by the network. Then they can pay rightful artist.

Why is it so hard for corps to do the right thing and how do they expect the average joe to not share files when they are actively involved in stealing from the artists also?

nospamsam

I like boobs; every hot babe should have at least two of them.

Galley

I thought Sarah Connor Chronicles was an awesome show...

nitefire77

No one has said the word "boobs" yet! This must be some kind of Gizmodo record!

LittleJon

@fudged71: people are plagiarism, repeating same memes to each other all the time.

Valicious

perfect bellybutton

Valicious

As an artist and editor, I hate plagiarism. The student should definitely take them to court

fudged71

Lovely. Way to steal someone's work!

Xavoc

-And also a ripoff of The Borg Queen from the Star Trek movie.

They should have also ripped off a girl as cute as the one on the right.

The student should sue Fox just for a laugh.

wonkydonky

I hope the student sued their asses. As an artist, there is nothing worse than someone stealing your stuff and making money from it.

Josh_Geyer

Ad: ripped off.

Series? Pretty damned good. Just goes to show you; anyone can get paid to be "edgy" and "hip" on a corporate blog.

JimK

Yeah the show had a lot of inconsistencies but so did the films (even without the crappy third installment. In the end I think the show is better than a lot of other shows on TV.

Nothing to say about the artwork here other than "hot"!

Zlevee

Who says the said student didn't make both of those?

SLUSHIE

The Sarah Connor Chronicles ROCK!! Stop the Hate.

As for plagiarism yes it is. Was it purposeful I don't know. It's very possible someone saw the original years ago when it came out but later forgot about it but it became a subconscious inspiration for this one. This happens quite frequently actually and is the cause for the spread of a lot of ideas around the world.

MacBandit

@Leonard Nimrod:

me to.. im very happy its coming back :)

tgwaste

@fudged71:

why? they didnt steal his work. they stole his work whom HE ripped off from the borg queen in ST (as someone else already mentioned).

neither one is original.

tgwaste

Why all the hate on the Terminator series. I like it.

Leonard Nimrod

@smcallahGiz chill out man

Playstation

Question, since blogs are always so quick to condemn.

Where is the actual story that says the student that did this is not ok with it? Or an article that says the student was not paid for the work? Or an article that says the student did not create this for the ad campaign because of his previous work?

The linked story doesn't say, and neither does the article here.

So are you just assuming that the original artist had nothing to do with the artwork for Terminator?

smcallah

1) I didn't think the series was that bad.
2) I think the new female Terminator is hot.
3) I think cut-and-paste design theft is extremely poor form.
4) I am very happy that Giz found an excuse to post the original pic, as she is even hotter than the female Terminator.
5) I may feel differently re: the relative hotness of these two girls if I could see both pairs of breasts and the same amount of torso.

JacquesAss

which one is the orginal man?

kevman90

Whats this have to do with, "shiny new toys?" Nice bod!

Nylo

@Valicious:

among other things...

Shingo56

All we have are two pictures though. We don't have the names of the artist of both pictures. What if Fox hired the artist of the non-terminator picture to make the one for the Sarah Conner Chronicles?

pipcorona

As the article and Zievee's comment pointed out, the issue isn't about simply stealing the concept. If you look at the arm, there's little doubt that the ad is derived from the earlier work.

mikejonas

Human beings have existed a pretty long time and they have written, drawn, painted, sculpted, and imagines a *lot* of things. I think we are awfully quick to call images and ideas a "rip off" when we have no idea where they come from originally. We need to relax on that stuff. Some people have mentioned the borg queen. The artist H.R. Giger has produced tons on work along these lines and themes for years and I'm certain there are others. A female robot torso is *not* a brand new concept. Almost nothing is a brand new concept.

mattjumbo

i want the students name, she will be my wife! all of you stop looking at the picture!!!

giyad

@MacBandit: The arm, down to the position of the wires, is identical (with some extra wires thrown in).

But as others have said, we don't know that the original artist wasn't involved in the Terminator poster.

Zlevee

Yes SCC is awesome, great SciFi TV. Summer Glau (the incredibly hot female Terminator) is my TV girlfriend.

Jesus Diaz, we need to step outside to have words...

se7a7n7

Here's a link to an image of the Borg Queen scene.

[bp3.blogger.com]

MacBandit

The show was great.

I too agree both of these are ripoff of the Borg Queen.

volcane

Nice sex machines

fastmike

jesus the arm is identical as well as the concepts

hurray for bewbies ^_^

Gonzie

Dude, it says "we have no clue where this picture came from." Most likely they were done by the same person. They obviously use the same elements. If it were purposeful plagiarism they would at least build new wires hanging out of the arm sockets.

Also there is no mention of this being a student work despite "student" being thrown around.

chrisram3y

Who's to say they didnt pay to copy the ad?

Either way I dont care, I dont stand to lose or make money from it so whatever.

The show itself started off slow and boring but by about episode 3 it started to pick up and it got good. Well worth watching and 1000x better then any reality tv thats crammed down our throats

parad0x360

Sarah Conner is a sexay japanese sex bot and I love her.

tehronin

Oh, so THAT's what's hiding behind the conspicuously positioned hair!

beyondthetech

ohh, and yes, liking that show means you have bad taste :P

aquaosx

I imagine they we done by the same artist / designer. These we're used for magazines and posters, it wouldn't make sense to copy & paste that arm unless you had a pristine high res source to copy from. The person / people most likely to have that is the designer / studio that did the Bravia ad.

aquaosx

Sarah Connor Chronicles was probably the best thing I've seen on network TV in five or ten years. I thought it was as good as Deadwood or The Wire. And that scene in the pool of the last episode is still my favorite moment in anything cinematic. I expect that we'll see that copied. That said, I'll be surprised if it doesn't turn out that the ad and the other image aren't from the same person. The ad agencies, and especially Fox and Warner Bros., are very good about making sure there is no copyright infringement on their part.

Gizmometer

All women should have two boobs implanted on their backs, so we have somewhere to put our hands when hugging.

VaccaFoeda

I am in love with Summer Glau, robot or not!

As for ripping off, meh, its my guess that none of the higher ups ever saw the other ad so the only one really at fault was whichever artist decided to copy the original (which as people have pointed out seems atleast somewhat inspired by the Borg Queen scene in First Contact).

krizoitz

Lets put the credit where it belongs. Both images have elements identical to The Puppet Master in Masamune Shirow's Ghost in the Shell, published 1991. Seems that the poster maker ripped the left arm wires directly from the complete torso image and both illustrators ripped different additional details from Ghost in the Shell.
If the there wasn't that shape detail on the arm, I could believe that the artist just came up with female-torso-hanging-from-straps all by himself. The doll like leg sockets at least are obviously unrealistic enough not to be plagiarized.

Bloodboiler

um.... borg queen= simplistic concept of brain to body. that silly spinal column may as well have been a cord & pluf for all I care. Thats an easy connection to make as an artist. Yet, borg queen was first. fine.

as for the other two, just shows the American freakishness when if comes to the human body. Movie?... would have been boobies.... I'd hope.

and again, hey, cool idea, that one there. Caught my eye, thats for sure. Had to take second when I saw that first add on the subway. But as for the show?... please....

sleeper

kiffallen

Legless fembots FTW! :D

ninjatales

jesus that image is in all our dreams, and I`m sure there was a GitS wallpaper or rendering just like that

Crescent

Something tells me that there's more to this story than just plagiarism...
I'll just wait for what the people behind the ad and the student who created the other version has to say about it.

But yeah, both looks nice. And well, can't tell how good the series is without watching it first.

Bokusatsu_Tenshi

@Bloodboiler:

I was thinking the exact same thing. Here's the puppet master from the Ghost in the Shell movie (1995).

[tinypic.com]

Dearhaw

If it turns out that Fox got permission from the original creator, I'm done with Gizmodo. Slow newsday or not, I'm sick of manufactured controversy. It's bad enough when the regular media trumps up stories for ratings and ad revenue, now I'm getting that kind of crap online? No, thank you.

Computer_Chef

I like TSCC. Looking forward to it's return.

And don't they say immitation is the best form of flattery, or something.

Silent_Shark

I publish concert programs, and we ran an ad for the Terminator show. I can't see how they would have been able to "steal" the high res art on the arm, my guess is they must have had permission. The only way they could have copied it is if they had access to the high res original.

liquidsoapdispenser

@permissionmag: there's not next season, AFAIK.

Jesus Diaz

Sarah Connor Chronicles is amazing.

Sorry you don't like it Jesus, but you're definitely outnumbered - most of us love it, and can't wait for the next season.

permissionmag

Quoting Jesus Diaz...
"there's not next season, AFAIK."

Wrong. It was all over the trades a couple of weeks ago that Fox had picked it up for a second season. Another way that this story is wrong.

Alex99a

@Alex99a: the story is not wrong.

The last thing I heard is that it was going to get cancelled after the first season because the ratings were abysmal, like its quality. That's why I said As Far As I Know. I don't follow the series after being hugely disappointed with how repetitive it was, the weak scripts, and the blah acting. There's so much better stuff in TV today that I can't waste minutes on so-so productions.

Sorry if you feel otherwise.

@Computer_Chef: how is this stirring up controversy? We find something and report on it. Aren't you surprised the images are more or less the same?

In a way, this copy-paste (regardless of its origin, it being with our without permission) is a metaphor of the show itself: repetitive work.

Jesus Diaz

Reminds me of that one Technosexual guy you posted about about a month ago...

eww...

blacksamurai87

Jesus:

This has nothing to do with the merits of the show. You don't like it? Fine. However, if you are going to do a post on something, why not do the tiniest bit of research to provide people with the correct information? If you had to qualify it with "as far as I know", then you shouldn't even have made that response. User permissionmag obviously knew more about the subject than you did.

Alex99a

The Terminator image is up on Jill Greenberg's website [www.manipulator.com] She's a very successful photographer, so this would be a major embarrassment for her if it turns out she plagiarized a student's work. I would guess that she shot the portrait of Summer Glau, and then the Fox marketing dept did the 'shoop work to turn her into a robot from the future.

magic_minox

@banmojo: "Firefox was an AWESOME tv show"

wut?

doofusgumby

@banmojo: Plus, you'd never get any dirty talk. You're really missing out, man.

dlomax

"We know it may be be work by the same artist."

Is Gizmodo's fear of being wrong so strong that it can't admit it totally miffed? Seriously, this is Fox News/National Enquirer/Endgadget level of stupid.

If Gizmodo knows that there's no copyright issue here for whatever reason, there needs to be a retraction. Full stop. Claiming that you're just repeating a rumor is not a defense.

weatherman

@banmojo: Your system would not work for me. Mouths are great for getting conversation and blowjobs. If I have to get either of those things from men, I'm outta here. I know women are better at the first, and I'm just assuming they're better at the second.

dlomax

Summer Glau > Than That Other Chick. Even with obscured boobies.

olafson

@ninjatales: you're wrong, WRONG, I tell you! What we NEED is the LOWER half of women, minus the upper noisy bitchy part. Imagine, coming come after a really long day at work, to find your pet pussy waiting for you, jumping around on its sexy legs, turning around in circles like a pet doggy, wagging its sexy ass in your face, just waiting to get poked and prodded. With genetic engineering, we could have the ultimate f$#@ toy. Yes, yes, I am a sick pervert but that doesn't make this a bad idea!!

ps. Summer Glau is HOT. Firefox was an AWESOME tv show, SCC is definitely 'meh', Fox sucks donkey balls.

eofm.

banmojo

@wonkydonky:

the Borg queen is a ripoff of captain EO...

youtube it!

naokigraphics

@Alex99a: RTA.

@weatherman: MAY be == there could be a probability because, yes, this hasn't been 100% proved. One way or the other. But there are other reporting about it and I decided to run it because it IS newsworthy (at least for the weekend).

Regarding what you are saying about "repeating a rumor": dude, we report on other people reporting rumors every single day of the week. Sometimes we are inclined to believe them, others we are inclined to bust them (like the rumored iPhone photos). If you want news and only news, I suggest Reuters (and not even that, because they have published rumors plenty of times themselves).

Jesus Diaz

@banmojo: uh... serenity? firefly?

.. not so much on the "Firefox was an AWESOME tv show" ... front.

besides, that other girl = hotter.

Rodime

Short hair FTW!

FLskydiver

@Jesus Diaz:
I've never seen the Sarah Conner Chronicles myself but if they're gonna copy someone else's work (allegedly) they should at least show some nipple. They would probably get better ratings if they did.

Rabid Penguin

Meh. I've seen worse - like Apple's Eminem/iTunes commercial or Apple's Postal Service commercial.

OMG! Ponies!

Bit of an overreaction on Giz's part.

Also, the hating on the series makes me glad I come here for gadget news and not TV reviews.

Discosis

@Jesus Diaz: "how is this stirring up controversy?"

It's not, too bad for you, but it is clearly a failed attempt to manufacture it. As someone in the media, if you have any integrity at all, you need to be aware of things like Manufacturing Consent. Just because Fox is another media outlet with a history of treating Sci-Fi badly (I still want to nutkick the person who cancelled Firefly) doesn't mean you get a pass when you do things poorly yourself.

"We find something and report on it."

No, you didn't. You're just hyping up rumors without even tagging them as rumors. Rumors are shoddy reporting, and using the negative "rip-off" spin is plain wrong when you don't have evidence of it. It is unquestionably an interesting similarity, but that's as far as it goes without getting the facts like a real reporter should.

"Aren't you surprised the images are more or less the same?"

Why should I be surprised? It's obviously skilled artwork, boobs or not, so it makes perfect sense that someone at Fox might have seen it and liked it enough to pay the person to tweak it for Summer. If you wanted a real story you would have tracked down that artist and done a feature on them instead of regurgitating what other blogs are crapping out.

"In a way, this copy-paste (regardless of its origin, it being with our without permission) is a metaphor of the show itself: repetitive work."

Oh, please! Don't try to rewrite tiresome gossip as an artistic critique. Not when your whole "Update" excuse is that you're just doing it because other blogs are doing it! There is irony and a half in that. Stop defending your mistake when it just digs a deeper hole.

Computer_Chef

@Computer_Chef:

There's no mistake in:

"This is apparently what happened with the poster"
and "some blogs are reporting that the Fox channel's poster was allegedly copied"

It's there, in plain english. And this is a copy, a rip-off, a pixel-by-pixel facsimile, a variation of a previous work no matter how you look at it.

So nah, I don't agree with you and your holes. I think you are just trying to ignore the language of the article (which is quite clear) because you feel offended by my judgment of the appalling quality of a series that failed to deliver its great potential.

Jesus Diaz

is this meant to be serious? the only thing "copied" are some parts of the left robot arm (or right for that matter). big deal.

Creasy

I'd hit it :-)

redman042

@JacquesAss: You can see the breasts on the one on the left - just look to the right. They are the same breasts.

Damn it, you just don't pay close enough attention to breasts.

Buffle

Comment on Terminator Ad Looks Like a Rip-Off, Makes Sarah Connor Chronicles Even Worse (NSFW) Al Bundy had it right. Three boobies. Two up front, and one in back. For slow dancing.

UritFeargal

actually, aren't they both rip offs of some masamune shirow manga panels from the original manga of ghost in the shell??>?

gizmodopeak

Jesus, you're winning on technical nitpicking about the language in your article, but it looks like you're pissing off an awful lot of commenters / readers.

Talk about winning the battle and losing the war...

You do realize that Gizmodo needs its readers, right?

permissionmag

Alright, the problem here is that instead of writing "Terminator Ad copied/derived from Original Student Art"… you immediately jumped the gun to "rip-off"… and took an unwarranted opportunity to criticize the show without merit.

Yes, after editing the title, you are technically correct. But the spirit of the post is lacking any journalistic integrity.

Do you see the problem? If not, I'm done.

kmbear

@permissionmag: Actually, it's some of my favorite Giz reading when Jesus (and the others) fervently defend their work.

ParJoe

@Jesus Diaz: "some blogs are reporting that the Fox channel's poster was allegedly copied"

Come on... those 2 blogs don't even have any hard facts. And are really just saying the same exact thing. At least have a link back to the original ad students blog? That does exist somewhere, right?

But at least their "reporting" doesn't include that it makes the show worse. Sure, opinions are what blogs are sometimes about.

But since those blogs only had a one line entry on something that may or may not be true with a lack of any facts, you had to throw in some fluff to try to make it witty?

"And this is a copy, a rip-off, a pixel-by-pixel facsimile, a variation of a previous work no matter how you look at it."

Yes, it is one of those things, but you can't group all those things together as if they are the same. But your title only says RIP-OFF, it doesn't say any of those other possibilities.

I mean the guy who supposedly created the original was an ADVERTISING student, and the Terminator poster was an ADVERTISEMENT. What conclusion would a rational minded person draw given no links or facts from the original creator?

smcallah

Funny, I really enjoyed the show. To each their own.

TurboFool

@Jesus Diaz: "So nah, I don't agree with you and your holes."

Whether you agree or not simply doesn't matter. In reality, Fox either ripped-off the work or they didn't. You provide no evidence that they did, so that even if it turns out they did it just means you got lucky. It is shoddy reporting, and your excuses only further serve to make Gizmodo look bad.

"I think you are just trying to ignore the language of the article (which is quite clear)"

Yes, the language is clear, but clearly not in the way you think it is. You see, your use of "rip-off" implies knowledge about the legal dealings of the parties involved. If you just wanted to comment on the works, you could have used unloaded words such as same, similar, copy, duplicated, homage, etc.

It is your job to understand these things. Putting an emphasis on looks does changes a thing. It's equivalent to me finding a wallet/purse/whatever on the street and going to turn it in to the police: I neither ripped it off nor should it look like I ripped it off, because they have no knowledge of how I came into possession of the item. Similarly, you apparently have no knowledge about how Fox came to use the imagery, so it's not your place to accuse them of ripping it off.

"because you feel offended by my judgment of the appalling quality of a series that failed to deliver its great potential."

When have I made a statement about what I thought of the series or shown any interest in your opinion of it? It may just be we agree about the quality of the show, and you're just fabricating my supposed offense because you think it conveniently draws attention away from what you've done wrong.

Stop it. Just stop trying to justify a behavior that has no justification. The right thing to do is to find out the facts of the matter, and be thankful you dodged a bullet if you turn out to be right. Until then you need to be quiet, because you've turned me into a defender of Fox, and that just doubles how ticked off I am.

Computer_Chef

@Computer_Chef:
It's an article about a picture that looks like another picture. Calm down tiger. If you don't like pictures you can turn them off in your web browser settings. It's not like they're saying the holocaust didn't happen, or we didn't land on the moon, they're comparing two pictures...

Rabid Penguin

@Computer_Chef: (and other Emily Post cranky-panties paranoid coke-snorting perfectionist tweaker-nazis)
You're in the wrong place, here. Hence:
=> Go Scratch.

Just Save It; and Go yell at the Washington Post, Charlie Rose or the Freaking NYT instead about this theoretical zero-point scintilla of no-white-after-labor-day-perfect 'journalism'. (whatever planet that exists on)

*OR: go get yourself a brain-chipped capuchin monkey to solder you up a Time Machine so you can go back and hang out with Edward R. Murrow while wearing your pharisee robes.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEESH!!!!!

wonkydonky

@Rabid Penguin: That's just the point I'm making. The article isn't about "looks like another picture", it's (now) about "looks like a rip-off". There is a huge difference there, and that's why Diaz's "language of the article" cover just falls flat.

@wonkydonky: I'm not looking for impossible journalism. I'm just looking for reasonable reporting that is hard to find in old media. Most of us have come to expect this kind of garbage story from the big guys, which is why we seek out more independent blogs. But, hell, if we can't even get that online anymore then you're absolutely right in that we should leave. I even made that point when I first responded.

The problem with us leaving, though, is that it doesn't solve Gizmodo's problem. The site should be looking to get better instead of looking to slide into the same pit that other media has. There are only so many people they can alienate before they become the next remember-that-one-tech-site site. Forget the complete lack of gadget content in doing it: there are better ways to post boob pics than insulting the artist, the show, the company, and us readers.

Computer_Chef

@Computer_Chef: I appreciate your comments. With a name like wonkydonky though the comment is quite in line I must admit.

I am waiting for Gizmodo's full endorsement of his comment as their position as well. Well, actually maybe their non-response so far to yours or his is just that. Well we should give them a chance to respond.

I check this article now and then to see if anything has been updated. I find your comments refreshing and yet other than attacking you and/or possibly me I can't seem to figure out what your attackers are advocating for? Protecting ignorance of the facts perhaps? Or maybe it is just being real cool by making irreverent personal attacks on other Gizmodo commenters.

Like I said time will tell if Gizmodo say decides to be mum about your points and endorse total lack free for all attacks on their ... well I just may be assuming they even consider themselves responsible for what gets said here. They may just consider it everyman for himself but like I said let's see what they say.

Fox Mulder

Whatever guys. Quit whining. At least the Giz brought this out to light.

And I used to like the X-Files. Hope the upcoming movie does justice to the name.

ninjatales

i love summer glau. super hot.

soldstatic

@ninjatales: I apologize for whining ninjatales I should have known you would be reading this. Thank you for taking time to read the whole thing to discover that is was whining and taking the time to let me know.

True true Giz brought it to light and FBI Agents carry flashlights too. Sometimes the story is the story. By the way, Giz can handle it they're big boys and they probably get off on us hitting the page views and each other.

I feel the same as you about the XF. Sometimes I look forward more to Fan Created Vids than anything Fox would put out.

I posted on Gizmodo and got advice and I didn't even have to "Ask a Ninja" He just popped out of nowhere.

I love Gizmodo. It brings out the alpha in all of us. How's it going Jesus. How's the view from where you're at. 63,813 views and 91 comments on this one you earned your keep on this one revisions and all. :-)

Fox Mulder

@Fox Mulder: Heya Agent Mulder. My comment wasn't really directed towards you.

Just swinging it wildly at the halfadozen responses denouncing the post and trying to point out that if it wasn't for the Giz, people like me wouldve never gotten the idea of a legless fembot.

ninjatales

@ninjatales: Understood ninjatales.

It would be cool to have this hanging as a chandelier piece in my futuristic home but I would definitely need drapes or I'd hear a knock at my door and someone saying "We have a warrant to search the premises."

Nice ninja pic. Did you know Bobo Fett comes from a long line of ninjas. Your pic reminds of him.

Peace out.

Fox Mulder

@soldstatic: and she is a Prima Ballerina. For her the pole is horizontal.(please note this is the kind of comment I think I could get away with on Gizmodo and is not representative of my more mature comments on other Gawker sites like Lifehacker)

This post has been approved by someone who may want to run for office.

Fox Mulder

I'll weigh in with my support for Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. I enjoy the show and the season finale was very good. And yes, TV Guide already reported that FOX renewed the show for a second season, so any speculation otherwise is absolutely incorrect. Even before the official word, stories were out about how the show was quietly getting back to work producing season 2.

As for this potential plagiarism/rip-off brouhaha, I will withhold comment until we get more information.

Barion

Oh no, I just hear what sounded like a Meatloaf song in a cell phone commercial! It sounded similar and some of the lyrics were a blatant copy and paste!
Meatloaf should sue!
As always, bloggers jump the gun on somethign they know little about. Networks, ad agencies, and designers have been doing this work for decades; far longer than Bloggers have been replacing the letter "S" with "$" in every corporate giant's name.
The pay for stock art, they work with original artists. They pay royalties. They have to get ideas and designs from somewhere. Fact of the matter is that chances are that the artwork is paid for and everyone bitching about it is wasting time they could be using to listen to a good Meatloaf album or buying a pre-paid cellphone.

mconheady

Is there a higher rez version of the original artwork?

unistar81

@mconheady: I know you're being sarcastic somewhat, but that really is Meatloaf starring and singing in that commercial...

smcallah

@smcallah: And apparently Tiffany, for some strange reason.

Barion