Weird, but i posted this like 30 mins ago [docs.info.apple.com] and still hasnt popped up

thechansen

@justinsane: According to the Nokia link:

Note: Music purchased from the Apple iTunes Music Store cannot be played on the Nokia N91.

I wonder how many people use iTunes that don't use an iPod as their primary music device. I would also guess that most of these people purchase a lot of their music from iTMS.

IMHO it seems like a waste of development time and money for anyone to provide the ability to sync with iTunes if they can't deal with iTMS DRM.

bluetoothguy

Why would this bother Apple????

snitch29

@Yznel: oop, beat me to most of it!

ps61318

iTunes already supports third-party device synchronization, and has a plugin architecture to do so. It's not evangelized by Apple anymore, it's more a relic of pre-iPod days, but it exists and is official. A number of manufacturers use it, enabling their devices to synchronize with iTunes. Nokia is probably the most prominent example. Here's the iTunes plugin for the N91:

[europe.nokia.com]

justinsane

Anyone who is of the conception that Apple either didn't know about this or perhaps disapproves is, IMHO, naive.

Having another device that lets people buy stuff for itunes music store is a good thing. I don't believe that this will hurt iPhone sales as much as you might think. And really, most people buy iPods for music and phones for phoning, it seems to me. So I go back to sentence 1 above - this will be good for iTMS, and thus good for Apple.

ps61318

@Enigmaaron1: I have more faith in Apple than that...

They will make a security update that will outright brick your Blackberry when you try and sync.

Hiphopopotamus

Hmmm. I suspect a secret deal between RIM and Apple has been formed to allow RIM devices to access iTunes and to allow the iPhone to have a new version of Blackberry Connect. Apple wins be extending the iTunes store and mega profits from affluent business Blackberry types and RIM wins by selling the often imitated but never duplicated Blackberry service on the iPhone (though their handsets will compete, hardware is not RIMs bread and butter). Guess we'll see in a few short months...

Yznel

It would be senselessly cruel for Apple to stomp down on this. Aren't there already other MP3 players that sync with iTunes?

itchytooth

OMG, my iPhone already is!!!

Tayng

I doubt Apple cares too much about this. You'll never be able to copy anything with DRM to the Blackberry which leaves out all of the video store and any music you bought that you can't upgrade to the non-DRM "plus" version.

cosmicrob

We can look forward to an iTunes "security update" that will make the Blackberry mysteriously unable to sync via iTunes then.

Enigmaaron1

Hmm... interesting move.

If Apple stomps Godzilla-style they could run afoul of anti-trust due to the huge market share of iTMS. It's an interoperability issue. Let's see how this plays out...

gunnk

now that is something - I already have some music on my Pearl (needs special headphone adaptor) - but my locked down AAC library - its a winner - coming to all BBerry with media?

flyboy

i can see my crackberry addicted housemate being all over this!

malcs

I believe that other MP3 makers can sync to AACs purchased through iTunes. Like the Zen. You don't use iTunes to sync, you use the Zen media manager, but I think it works.

Sora57

Wait. Blackberry 9000 or Blackberry Bold??? Or does it matter? Either way, this seals the deal for me over the iPhone. Give me a 16G microSD, iTunes synchability (sic), and NO APPLE HANDCUFFS and I'm a happy traveling Ad man.

N@tedog

apple wont allowed them to sync there protected media and mp3's. they never let anyone sync. why would they start now. its all bull, apple doesnt believe in that kind of growth. they want to make sure they force everyone to buy an ipod to play there media.

richillion

@justinsane:

That's only for the OS X version, not the Windows version.

dagamer34

Dont be alarmed but my iPhone just got this weird transmission, it shut down for like 5 minutes, all buy its self. When it rebooted it beat up my bosses blackberry and threw it out the window.

I'm scared.

Wormfather

A NOTE PEOPLE SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO...

If you go back and look in the 9000's press release, it states it right there that it'll be syncable with iTunes with this software...

chasema

wow, wouldn't that just piss off Apple a little bit? I sure hope RIM includes that functionality.

xxdesmus

Sounds like good news for Apple as a company and Blackberry users.

Anyone know if you'll also be able to sync your podcasts to the blackberry as well?

JohnAtkinson

Actually I just bought a Blackberry 8330 from sprint and it came with a program called Blackberry MediaSync by Roxio. I just told it where the music was (my music>itunes) and it transferred it all to my Blackberry. The fact is that most users keep tons of unprotected mp3 files in that directory and I doubt it's against any laws for programs to make use of it, as long as they don't specifically mention itunes.

JadusIV

Rokr..

REBORN!!

Kaiser-Machead

I think Apple doesn't really care, because the DRM tracks will still be Itunes/ipod specific. I think this is more of a fix on Blackberry's part to get away from Roxio's Media Sync. The only other way to currently load music on a Blackberry is to drag and drop files. (Easiest way no matter what, but seemingly more involved for your less than tech savvy blackberry users)

holvey

I don't think apple sees Rim as the enemy, they just want a piece of the market. It's up to the customers to decided what they really want at the end of the day anyway

snitch29

@Enigmaaron1: I would then like to see a BB "hotfix" pushed that would "repair" the iTunes sync issue. Let the covert update war begin.

slowreader

heck, the black berry 9000 basically LOOKS like an iphone with a keyboard.

AlanIn4D

People don't see it now, but Apple will be picked and pulled apart. Psystar and now what RIM is doing, is exactly this. It's only a matter of time until the movie and music industries do their own thing as well. Apple is a chair which doesn't own the legs.

Apple can quickly eliminate and destroy RIM if they just make two iphones: one without a keyboard and one with. Then pretty much Blackberry will have a real challenge. Apple is the master at GUI interfaces.

AlanIn4D

@AlanIn4D: I understand the real issue is the patents around getting real email BBerry style = push email- something the iPhone doesn't have yet - it would make sense to make the deal...

flyboy

Commencing iTunes update in three ..two ..one.

That sound you here? Sales Associates with sharpies blacking out that iTunes Feature on the Bold box.

MasterSauce

@AlanIn4D: Graphical User Interface interfaces?

jdgolden

Well good thing all my 8000 songs that are in itunes are from limewire and not form the iTMS. hehehe

kevman90

what the hell can apple do?
isnt it the same as running apple software on windows, or using a sony mp3 player to sync with WMP?

i do find this strange as i will never use this on my work BB, i would rather get an ipod. indexing 1000s of exchange items and 1000s of songs will most likely kill the processor and battery life. still glad for the option though - some people may find it useful.

i hope you folks know that any bes admin with 1/2 a brain wont allow those files to be backed up.

there is no 1 DEVICE alive today - still the need for two or more.

keyser

@keyser: the BBerry seems to be the closest to a 1 device/.

proper email - both ways - with full office attachment/ PDF readers.
video, audio capability - its always needed the convenience of iTunes though - from the start for the lazies like me.
GPS
phone and world phone
ability to really type (but you have to learn the Pearl)
The iPhone looks cooler, maybe the second version might catch up with the BBerry.

flyboy

Don't you guys know that all the rage is the RAZR? so sleek, so compact.

i can't even write that with a straight face

wolfenstein-3d