@The Full English Please!!:

You definitely need to pay a visit to my longtime favorite all around gadget & electronics shop here in nYc, J & R. :-)

[www.jr.com]

winexprt

Anyone a veteran consumer of both AT&T and T-Mobil? Which has better service?

Death

What happens when he clicks on the app store? Also did anyone notice the itunes store icon is different.

gamecrazychris

sorry to burst anyones bubble but when he passed by the carrier settings it says "T-Mobile D or DE its too blury to make out but in the case it does say DE or even D thats T-Mobile Germany not T-Mobile US. If I am right and I am 99% sure I am its just some very lucky German.

bdk184

Why do people think it's so sort of victory to hack the iphone? Do they think apple really cares if a few people hack the hardware they already gave them hundreds of dollars for?

Apple comes by with this great new product that pushes other providers manufactures to do something cool. When was the last time people hacked a moto phone? And the the rest of then industry is trying to catch up by changing their plans. To say you owned apple? Please... If you want to do something amazing make something better then the iphone.

neo_deets

I'm fine with the big bad AT&T though.

Matt Schlicht

@ANoel:
Ok.
Seriously.
Mindboggling is not even enough to explain why you would spend enough time in the bathroom to have your "body fat attached to the seat". I'm really at a loss to explain something like that.

Out2gtcha

wow... that video shure was boring... "whoopty doo, a new calculator..."

duntuk

YAY semantics

Har har har

he said any, and any means Verizon, but not.

Har Har Har

JacksSenseOfRejection

@Earthslide:
djathink?

I hope they DO sell more because of this, and it becomes a kind of watershed or "shit or get off the pot" realization by Apple that proprietariness is, like the RIAA, all over. Reminds me of yesterday's article...

The Associated Press

Boyfriend: Woman felt safe in bathroom

WICHITA | "A 35-year-old woman who apparently spent two years in her boyfriend's bathroom in Ness City had become stuck to the toilet seat, authorities said Wednesday..." absolutely mindboggling!

[www.kansascity.com]

ANoel

I believe the nokia N95-8GB should be available on AT&T shortly

The Full English Please!!

I live in good old Scotland but i do believe AT&T is picking up the Nokia N95-8GB.

Reading the postings, i believe i know more about the US mobile market than some of these people. (i listen to Dailed-In and the cellphonejunkie every week and have been doing so for the last year incase anybody is wondering)

Cant wait to come to New York in the summer, specially with the value of the American $ so low against the Great British £

Any recommendation of the gadgets shops to visit in New York? oh any BIG cloves shop to Dish my Chick

The Full English Please!!

Blue/Green screen + motion graphics = composite visual

FireBALL

Apple is now going to sell more phones! WooHoo! It was all a setup!

Earthslide

Sweet. I'll take one sir and one for my brother

Juggrnott

enough with the verzion debate.....

is there any way i can get this on my phone NOW?

MrBlahBlah

@Wormfather: I dont really know if this version will be software undoable (á la reviginizer for the old firmwares) but you can always Restore the iphone with itunes to the latest "virgin" firmware.

Tensor

@Samifumi: with version 2.0 firmware hacked, one can install 3rd party apps which gives them access to server-side visual voicemail solutions provided by the likes of GrandCentral and about a half-dozen other companies.

There isn't yet an iPhone specific app to do this, but with a significant percentage of iPhones not being activated on AT&T, there's a sizable and growing market.

You could cobble together a proof of concept today that converts the vmail to mp3, generates an RSS feed, and delivers the voicemails to your mobile phone via your favorite RSS reader (so long as the reader supports file downloads). This might be a fun weekend builder project for MAKE.

ndonahue

@MikeSWelch:

[gizmodo.com]

emulation is everywhere
Kthxbai

fostina1

why do you want MMS? You can simply send an email to another iphone :)

cylonite

isn't the n95 available now in the US?

iPhoneGroupie

@fostina1: The difference between GSM and CDMA is like the difference between cars and boats. I can drive my car on any road, that isn't made of water.

Kthxbai

MikeSWelch

@phantam:
can't light cigarettes, can't fly, isn't waterproof...

To the people who really get a kick out of recording low fidelity video of some lame shit and sending said videos to their friends phones:

Nobody likes your shaky, out of focus, low res lame videos, and they sure as hell don't like paying $0.30 to receive them. If the ability to do annoy the people around you in this way is a determining factor when buying a phone... please, go play outside for a while.

nutbastard

@phantam: yes, and the iphone can do loads of things that other phones can't. I think it's more than a fair tradeoff, especially considering that many of the features you "miss" with the iphone will likely get covered in newly written apps, now that the SDK is out there.

And even for people in the US, unlocking the phone lets you travel and buy simcards wherever you go. They're cheap, and then you have a local phone on the road.

glibberthwix

Microsoft exchange that's the must have!

kittenman

So what if wanted to hack my phone just so I can use it in europe without paying ATT through the nose, but wanted to unhack it when I got back?

Wormfather

can't mms, can't bluetooth obex, can't video record ...

phantam

Ok, here's my perspective, since you asked.

I think the problem here is that some people think it's about the "Phone" part of iPhone that is important.

Others believe that the handheld computer part of the iPhone is what is important.

These two perspectives are correct, and mostly the discussion of the two does not overlap. This particular thread is more focused on the latter, and the people who want to talk about hacking a cool handheld computer are frustrated with the people who want to kvetch about a phone.

The people who want to kvetch about a phone are frustrated with the people who want to talk about hacking this cool handheld computer.

The choice is simple: put up with the disjoint nature of the subject matter, inherent as it is in the nature of the device; or go the filk elsewhere.

Back to your lives, citizens.

ps61318

I am wondering if they can see how the new 802.1X support is working.

dagamer34

@Samifumi:
Visual Voicemail is a completely server-side connect and is not related to whether your iPhone is unlocked or not.

@dysh:
I guess we need to stop assuming that a) people know the difference between GSM and CDMA and b) people know that other countries exist besides the US.

dagamer34

@dysh: no phone can be perfect, but imo this is the best phone i've ever owned, and i've owned a few.

f0rge

Visual voicemail? Dont think so. Almost unlocked.

Samifumi

@Jesus Diaz: agreed... there are thousands of GSM networks worldwide, but unlike the U.S. where the networks blow, the other networks actually have phones that are much better than the iPhone

i mean look at the Nokia N95 (it'lll never be taken by a U.S. carrier); we're just lucky you can get it unlocked

dysh

Oops. My bad. I guess I read that after the Jesus's edit. Well don't I look like an ass now. Hey, at least my friends will recognize me!

bahalana

@Joseph: i'm not scared to beat dead horses...

a 400+ phone that can't MMS?

dysh

This is not directed at those whose primary language is not English, but there is clearly an adjective in there between 'any' and 'network': 'compatible'. Comprende?? Stop grousing about Verizon and Sprint. Most carriers in the rest of the world are GSM as far as I know, so 'any compatible network' pretty much does mean 'any network' except for Verizon and Sprint.

bahalana

If want to get technical, the software hack lets you use the phone on ANY carrier, the hardware however does not.

daylus

@Jesus Diaz:
not anal or frustrated, im no hacker and i have no clue to what you can make to emulate something else. (my ps2 can play snes and they are obviously not compatible) it could have been a breakthru, and i just wanted to know for sure. thank you.

fostina1

@dysh: You can send pics, just not though MMS.

Joseph

Is there a link to a unlock howto? All the options, costs and directions?

iPhoneGroupie

@dysh: No, nobody agrees because, unlike you, we live in the world, where there are thousands of GSM/GPRS/EDGE networks. This is an international site read by millions around the world, get with the program.

@fostina1: I'm sorry you are frustrated because you can't use an iPhone on a Verizon network. Even while it's obvious that "any" carrier means any carrier with a network compatible with the iPhone, it may not be clear for people with limited technical knowledge. That, or you are just being anal about it.

Either way, I've added the "compatible" bit so you don't feel frustrated. Cheers.

Jesus Diaz

Dam it!!!! i just switched over to AT&T. maybe i can use the the text message loop hole to get out of my contract.

Boots_Mcoy

@docyoast: exactly... a $400+ phone can't even send pics... let's be honest here

dysh

@dysh
I disagree. I've had a Nokia E65 before, which also is a nice phone, but the music player is horrendous.
What's bad about iPhone is I cannot send pictures to my friends, which s*cks out loud.

docyoast

i think ill go to consumerist and complain about this bad journalism lol.

fostina1

@fostina1: i agree... every article related to the iPhone being unlocked on 'ANY' network is just stupid, misleading, and ignorant. Any one who knows anything about cell phones know that the only other reliable GSM carrier in the U.S. is TMo. I don't understand how everyone gets hard on of being able to use the iPhone on 'any' network, when really it's only AT&T or TMo.

In other news, I'll be frank: when it comes down to functionality, the iPhone really doesn't live up to it's hype

anyone agree?

dysh

Hacked iPhone on a T-Mobile network? This could simply be a German iPhone as well.

docyoast

@Mdawg4624: This is unfortunately not true. Verizon's network in the US is strictly CDMA. They do however sell world phones that are GSM compatible. They have a partner agreement with Vodafone to provide service when out of the US. These phones come with a SIM card, but also have Verizon CDMA built in to them for use when on US soil. They are generally honking big and ugly Samsung phones because of this.

nwaringa

@mdawg4624: I'm not sure that's true; even if it is, I don't think Verizon phones come with sim cards, which are needed for the iPhone to function.

jopari

in the past when i tried to carry a sprint phone overseas for business they told me that I would have to rent or buy a different phone that would work on gsm networks overseas but would not work here. I don't believe any part of their network is gsm. if it was I would be buying an iphone right now to use this new hack/mod whatnot.

perfektskyy

@Kobe_No_Means_No:

i know the difference between gsm and cmda, but they keep saying any!!!!! this article and the attatched. either its any or its bad reporting.

fostina1

verizon has a portion of their network that is GSM due to older blackberry's that weren't CMDA compatible at the time correct? This is something that I've heard, can someone please clarify for me and others? Because if thats the case then you should be able to run the iphone on verizon and sprint.

mdawg4624

@Kobe_No_Means_No: the hack will be great when I can use it on verizon

myotheralt

@fostina1: any carrier means TMo

myotheralt

We've got some noobies in the house today...

Let's stop discussing GSM vs. CDMA... this is about the iPhone hack. Am I the only one aroused by this?

Kobe_No_Means_No

@D_Zarster: verizon & sprint are on CDMA

phi

well.. Any GMS based carrier that is.. dunno what Verizon uses..

D_Zarster

@fostina1: any GSM carrier

phi

@fostina1: I'm not gonna commit, but I have to admit to a passing interest...

strider_mt2k

you keep saying any carrier. verizon is any right? ill buy one if i can hack it to work on verizon.

fostina1

Wow awesome... I need to know how to upgrade my AnySim hacked 1.0.2 phone to this version!

Kobe_No_Means_No

Or, a Calculator App that actually includes Clear Error button. Paragon of UI and userfriendliness my butt!

Damage

Geeze, at this rate the iPhone Dev Team will release the Hacked iPhone 2.0 before Apple releases the real iPhone 2.0 update. Won't that be a happy day, indeed.

LastVigilante

Ah, the haters, the haters...they just hate the iPhone so much that they have to spend so much time reading and commenting about it.

johnnyabnormal

@Death:

I have both AT&T phones and a T-mobile phone, and at least in my area (L.A. Basin) AT&T wins hands down, well keypad down.

corhou99

Maybe it's time to take out the reading glasses?

"Despite what other reports have erroneously stated, this is not a jailbroken iPhone with firmware 2.0, but a completely hacked version of the firmware that allows you to run any app and use any compatible carrier you want in the world."

"run any app and use any compatible carrier you want in the world."

"any compatible carrier"

"compatible" is the keyword. It doesn't say "any carrier", it says "any compatible carrier". So kindly stop arguing over this.

VirreVojj

CHAR HAR JAR, IPHONE LAME, BUCHEWY CHEWY CHOMP!

pretty cool, been waiting on this to pop up. I kinda love some of the hate comments people take the time to leave. I just wonder if most of them, including me, realize that they are just lost bits of text in a page of arguments.

odnet

@fostina1: If you read right it said any compatible carrier.
I have no clue if verizon still has their 2G connection but jeah.
There really isnt any point in getting an iphone if you cant use the internet whereever you want to.
Thats just me tho maybe you're surrounded by amazing WiFi connection points with super fast download and upload speeds.

Back to the topic. I think this is actually good because this is a secure way to have an actual iphone with all features enabled on a seperate network that's not AT&T's.

SneakerFiend

I use an iphone (well two really :-) in italy, unlocked since the provider that should get the iphone here doesn't really understand what an iphone should be (they seem to complain about providing an unlimited data plan.. it's Telecom Italia Mobile) we have only gsm/gprs/edge/umts networks here so, for me any network really means any ;-)
I'm pissed off about mms and especially bluetooth too, but if devs were able to program an mms client and a video recorder with and unofficial sdk, they probably will be able to do that with the official one

lucac81

@dysh

Nokia N95 8GB: An $800 phone that doesn't have any input method other than a number pad? No touch screen or keyboard at all?

I'll take 2 iPhones over that any day of the week.

ssspinball

Does anyone know if the iPhone can run on the Alltel network? That would be dandy and make me really happy as Alltel service and customer support has been my favorite so far.

latest1999

I will have to disagree you you dysh. With this 2.0 update it will have lived up to every expectation I had for the device. I am using mine as a PDA which is what I wanted it to be. Not sure what Hype it is not living up to, maybe you could clarify in what way it has fallen short.

walkingsushi

Why would Apple want to close the hole. If people hacking their phones to run on any network doesn't violate any contract Apple has with AT&T, why would they want to sell less phones?

DomBrown

@jopari: The only Verizon/Sprint phones with SIM cards are the Blackberry 8830 World Phones...I think Sprint did have a Samsung PDA world phone as well.

Tranman

Verizon doesn't use a GSM network. According to Wikipedia GSM is used by 82% of wireless carriers in the world. Don't know what their excuse is to be honest.

slimnickyy

@Death: depends on where you live just go to there site for info on it but i like at&t better.

Ferg1

I dont understand how they got the 2.0 software??? can anyone explain?

Ferg1

@fostina1: They mean any carrier that uses sim cards or is a quadband network. verizon first of does not offer simcards and i think is not a quadband network

Ferg1

I thought 2.0 wasn't coming out until June?

lm

@VirreVojj:

you obviously didnt read the whole thread, where the author said he would add the word compatible.

fostina1

@SneakerFiend:
you obviously didnt read the whole thread, where the author said he would add the word compatible.

fostina1

@winexprt: Sweet, Thanks

The Full English Please!!

@fostina1:
you obviously didnt read the whole thread, where people kept complaining about the word "any" after the autheor added the word compatible.

VirreVojj

@lm: the developer's $99 sdk includes 1.2 which has been dubbed 2.0.

mixamillion

I saw a Settings submenu option for Calendar in that vid. Does that mean the iPhone will finally have a To-Do List feature? Just a curiosity question.

*click**click*

How is this an iPhone hacked to run on t-mobile? You can easily purchase this phone in Germany, which does have the iPhone for t-mobile and have it shipped to the States. These pictures do not prove that the phone has been hacked from AT&T to work on any GSM network.

mrpositive

It is NOT a hacked iPhone running on T-mobile USA. If you look at the video as they enter the Settings the carrier is listed as T-Mobile D. As in Deutschland or Germany.

shamo

@fostina1: Comment on First Video of Hacked iPhone 2.0 In Action it says any COMPATIBLE Carrier.. not just ANY carrier

YuriNephele

@Ferg1:

I believe the firmware was obtained as part of the beta iPhone SDK that Apple released to developers on 6th March. However, I was under the impression that the 2.0 firmware (currently labelled in the SKD as 1.2) was only available to those developers that had enrolled on the iPhone Development Program.

Either way, by doing this, they are breaking NDA.

Jasarien

And, In addition to what I just said, although it claims to let you run any app, what apps did he run that I cannot already run on my iPod touch? None. If by "run any app" they mean "run any app that comes on your iphone/ipod" than I find this article of almost no concern.

basketballler77

Am I the only one who is a little skeptical about this?

I mean, what did he do to prove that it really is a hacked firmware? All I saw him do was show changed .png files for calculator (I thought a scientific calculator was promised?), change the icon for iTunes Music Store, and add to a settings pane. All of those things could have been done with a Jailbroken iphone.

If he had actually opened the AppStore (that was what I saw, right?) or at least shown the version (although that can be changed on jailbroken phones as well) I would find it a little more credible.

I'm hoping whomever made this video and hacked the ipod will improve their proof of what they have done. I'm not saying that the person is not credible, or that it isn't hacked, just that I'm not entirely convinced that it really is. If anybody has any reasons that I overlooked that really prove that it is hacked, please let me know.

basketballler77