@JoOngle: Missing the real reason CRTs went the way of the dinosaur - Can't make them big enough to compete with flat panels (they max out at a ridiculously tiny ~34 inches or so because they get waaay too heavy and bulky past that screen size). So, that being said, a pretty skinny 50-plus inch rear projection laser TV that has overwhelming picture superiority to plasma/LCD flat panels definitely will have a market. CRTs, in spite of their superior picture quality, were just too tiny screensize, just too huge bulk-wise, and just too heavy weight-wise. None of those problems exist with these rear projection laser TVs. So, you have all of the upside of the superior picture quality with none of the downsides that the CRT had (unless you consider a thickness of, like, a foot to be "too thick and bulky"). How is all this a deal-killer for these RP laser sets? It isn't, that's how . . . That's my story and I'm sticking to it . . .

GottaGo

@weatherman: By that logic saying people dont care about quality mp3 players, we can use it to show that really, when it comes down to the boil, people pick an ipod touch/classic ipod over the nano everyday, and they sell by the truckload, showing people care more about spec than size... the same is true in the phone market, people want both, but will settle for bigger and better.

They just have to make it fashionable and it will sell by the truckload, it will still sell well to people who value quality.

prodigal_son

I think joongle is wrong, he is comparing figures in denmark for crt, which take into account computers, and the fact that they just dont push crts on the gneral public anymore.

Name me one shop that puts shelf space for crt tvs? The fact people are still finding a way to buy crts shows that there is still huge concern over the quality of both plasma and lcd.

Rear projections will never take over the computer place (maybe specialist graphic work) But the thickness of that tv does not in anyway rule it out from either the tv position or the cinema room position.

prodigal_son

@The Lab: yes, inhabiting stripclubs is a more wholesome way to spend time than using a computer. ???

anyway, theres all kinds of implant scars. they can go in underneath leaving a line around the base. they can go in at the navel leaving nothing visible at all. they can incorporate it into another cosmetic surgery such as lower rib removal. in brazil, there are guys wholl inject your tits with bathroom silicone and a caulking gun, or engine oil. vain women are so delightful.

red

@JoOngle: Sheesh, I think you're overestimating the importance of thickness in this case. I have clients to whom I explicitly explain all the time...

If you have space issue, look LCD and Plasma.
If you don't have space issues, look DLP, LCoS, etc. and save a GRIP of money.

I don't think rear projection is going anywhere soon. Most people have enough room in their house for a 15" deep TV. Especially if they are replacing a set that was 30" deep. Very few people actually need the thing slammed up and mounted to the wall. Another reason people might look at LCD or plasma is to put on an articulating arm and be able to "aim" the TV at certain parts of a large room. I can usually address this with a "lazy susan" type device and a regular old DLP set while possibly saving them thousands of dollars.

ninjamurf

@HeartBurnKid: Thanks Kid, you kept me from having to go into the whole additive/subtractive color space argument.

ninjamurf

Wow Laser-TV is really amazing!

erik1974

I have no issues with RPTV - my current 65" is RPTV and it looks almost as good as any TV that is being sold currently for significantly more money. I would like them to use this technology for those of us who want to upgrade from 65" to something bigger though - like 80" but don't want front projectors.

boe

So 3D the girls jump out at you. A real fine STDtv.

alukard

Fuck the TV. Who is that blonde?

penix

@franssukse: [www.novalux.com]
under the necsel/home theatre section they have front projection. way to go numlok on that link.

EMoShunz

Scar or no scar, Blondie's got a stellar posterior.
Oh right.....the TVs nice too.

Out2gtcha

@deathscent: Take an art class. Basic color theory: when talking about additive colors (i.e. projected light), Red, Green, and Blue are your primary colors. When talking about subtractive colors (i.e. paints and pigments), Cyan, Yellow, and Magenta are. The Red/Yellow/Blue mix we all learned in elementary school is an oversimplified version of the latter.

HeartBurnKid

@numlok: AWESOME LINK!
there was more info here that answered my question above...most are dlp.

EMoShunz

i love moon nightclub. mmmmm

MrBlahBlah

@JoOngle: These are not the "BULKY screens" you're looking for. ;)

You can expect thickness to be only MARGINALLY thicker than current LCD or plasma displays (~5"), with half the weight.

Laser-based projection displays can be expected to fit/mount the same as comparably-sized LCD and Plasma screens.

[www.necsel.com]

numlok

@franssukse:
I hope so, then I can get it mounted on my sharks' heads.

srfndave

@The Lab: yup, likely an arthroscopic scar looking at a breast lump, or biopsy. similar to someone i know...but doesn't mean it's the same thing. could also be a surgeon not knowing what their doing. we had a plastic surgeon up here do an appendix operation and the guy died...maybe hers was a gynecologist insisting they could do implants.

EMoShunz

Will they make front projectors based on this technology ? Laser projectors :P
If so, I would definitely be all over it. A 100" image with absolute black and superb primaries in my home theater... drool...

franssukse

@Terminator et al
Implant scars are either in the armpit or on the edge around the areola. What we are seeing here is a good old-fashioned scar from something else. Geez, turn off your computer, get outside for some fresh air, and then go get an actual lapdance.

The Lab

@Sgt. Bilbo: Bad port counting on my part on the component and audio. That explains my mystery red plugs.

BMErdin

You've got 2 component inputs with corresponding audio. The Orange plug is digital coax out, and the rest are standard composite and analog audio in/out. I see 2 HDMI, and, correct me if I'm wrong, but that really fat cable looks like it might be DisplayPort, maybe? And maybe a VGA cable input?

Sgt. Bilbo

eww, you can see the implant scar on pic num 7.
[gizmodo.com]

jdiazj1

Does it use a polychormatic acusto-optic modualtor? Because if it does, I'm all over it!

Fuzz

Just like others I've been waiting for something that can compete with my CRT for colour contrast and clarity. This looks like it might actually be the set I've been waiting for.

As for the thickness issue, most plasma's and lcd's are what, 3 inches thick? Look at the side shots on this, it's maybe 10" thick. Big frickin deal! so it doesn't look like a picture on my wall. It'll look frickin awesome sitting in a custom made book shelf wall unit!

maloeh

Let's talk ports. In the one shot I see component + audio and what looks like a USB port. In the second I see 2 co-ax, 2 component and 1 composite with audio, maybe an S-video, then 2 rows I don't recognize, Red, Red, Red, then Orange, Red, White. The section with the power cable looks like 2 HDMIs and what is that, a serial port?
So:
2 co-axial, 3 component, 1 composite, 2 HDMI, S-Video
USB, Serial, and unknown others...

BMErdin

Uggh!...you can see the scars from the blonde chick's boob job!

razormd

My HD CRT looks better than my Dad's Plasma and my buddy's LCD.
Of course, it weighs over 200 lbs and is about a foot and a half deep.

BMErdin

@Terminator12139: I was just going to call that. Ick!

Landor

Terminator posted what I was going to post. Anyway, I agree with most posters, that Flat is the to go. Now if they could turn the Laser Projection into a Front Projected Image, that would be nice. Anyone looking at that?

I hate rear-projection for the size.

joeblevins

@Dead Ghost:

naw ...not the highway ...Waffle House ...[www.d-nice.com]

flyboy

Where did they picked those girls? From the highway? Geez.

Dead Ghost

If they can make these TV's priced with plasma or LCD of equivalent size, I might just be sold. They're almost guaranteed to be lighter than those 2 TV types and the light source would be easy to change and I would doubt any chance of burn-in. I'm sold!

Sgt. Bilbo

If CRT sucked so much power, wonder what these suckers vacuum up! Frickin' LASER BEAMS on its head! Seriously, the women (albeit quite nice and should have their own dedicated Gizlovely site), seems to be a very tacky maneuver to streer direction towards a tech which is very limited for the general public. I'd say it's great for visual-presentation and graphic artist studios where color is critical.

zarchitect

@weatherman: for sure, but cost also comes into play. i'm not sure how much these will be, but if they are better quality and 25% less, then the larger size will be acceptable. this should be more true in a few years when cheap crt's are no longer available and people just want a cheap tv.

that said, i was at future shop in november for a gander, and they had over 50 tv models on display...1 was dlp, 4 in total were projection, yet dlp had the best cost to picture quality/feature ratio by far.

EMoShunz

I think Joongle's right. Just like audio quality takes a backseat to MP3 player capacity and size, the TV display quality is not at the top of the list for consumers. Which is not to say that it doesn't play a part of the buying decision, but I think consumers at this point want the sleek and slim first, then quality. Folks have become accustomed to expect that flat-panel means HD, and that's good enough.

weatherman

@deathscent: In printed or mixed color, Yes, Yellow is a primary color. Cyan, Yellow, Magenta and Black are primary colors used for printing, but with kid's crayons it's usually thought of as Red, Yellow and Blue. However, when you're dealing with light it's a different story. White light breaks down into Red, Green and Blue.
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My main issue with a laser TV is for the eyes of the viewer. Imagine whatever TV you're watching without the picture tube, just the backlight. Most LCDs and plasmas use a fluorescent backlight. This isn't so bad, but if you watch TV a lot it's like staring at a fluorescent light bulb all day long. that's not good for your eyes as it is. Now, imagine staring into a laser beam all day long. Sure it looks good, then you get involuntary lasik.

DeeJayQueue

would this be a tech used on any projection system (crt, dlp, lcd)? i've heard great things about the led driven dlp's.

EMoShunz

Charlie... why the hell are you this slow? Primary colours are red, YELLOW, and blue. Green is the only consideration in technology because of the inability to properly produce yellow light (CRT's, mainly; yellow seems greenish at times). In newer TV sets (LCD, LED, plasma), they've dropped much of the blue tint that yellow used to have, so yellow would seem MUCH more vivid, but still, that doesn't help me with this "green is a primary colour!" phenomenon. GOD!
Anyways, seems interesting. What's the response time? Over one nine thousandth that of an LCD screen?

deathscent

I will definitely be getting one of these. I personally have a CRT hdtv now and love it. I hadn't bought either a lcd or plasma because of the picture. I've been waiting for these for a while. All I can say is it's about time.

Invader

those are dudes

islandmonk

juiciest is the gal at the right in the feature photo. Doesn't look like she is wearing her undies.

yogibimbi

I thought these laser TVs where supposed to be cheaper then the alternatives. Didn't you guys mention that in another laser TV posting?

mikecoscia

Near NSFW anyone? ahh whatever.. everyone at work wanna see it too anyways.. lol

D_Zarster

@Terminator12139:
Good eye. I missed that first time through.

VishusBurn

I really want to know how much the price would be so i can start saving up..:D

zombieistired

If you look close at one of the blonde girl's pics you can see her implant scar. No Joke

Terminator12139

I hear you! But the people don´t. Here in Denmark we already have the statistics in - and it´s widely discussed both in the newspapers and on business tv.

The numbers are astounding. Last year we sold 25.000 CRT based televisions in a country with a population of 5 Million citizens. This year we expect to sell around 10000 - and next year 5000 Crt screens. A few years back - we sold over 100.000 crt screens. As you can see - the numbers are pitiful, and that was even when the CRTs where SUPERIOR to LCD and Plasma (still is - in many ways), but peoples money have spoken, people buy what they want - not what we think.

In the shops in Denmark today you´ll find 99 percent flat-screens, they´ve removed ALL back-projection screens, and there are a few measly CRT screens left, usually "used" trade-in models from customers switching to flatscreens.

This doesn´t mean that the laser-based back-projection screens won´t be showcased, it probably will - and I bet a "very" few will buy them too.

However - I do believe that laser projectors have a very bright future ahead of them (just not the back-projection screens based on whatever technology to beam it up via such a system...it still require too much space)

Speaking of lasers - I do also believe that you will see the first true holographical monitor devices that will utilize multicolor laser projectors, they will also be incorporated in portable video games and cell-phones.

The first off - will be the cellphones!

JoOngle

Flat is to tvs like small is to MP3 players - not necessarily better, but definitely more cachet.

NeoPoliticus

Dear Joongle (above),

Who will be buying this TV? Just the people that want a picture that blows away Plasma & LCD TVs, that's all.

Laser TV is the next generation of televisions. Lasers are brighter, more vivid and more energy efficient than any existing television on the market.

Laser TV has a sharper picture, better motion characteristics, twice the color range, deep, deep blacks, incredible contrast, no burn in (reportedly) and has the same picture quality and brightness throughout the life of the televsion.

Your picture will be the same in Year 10 as it was on Day 1.

Who would buy this? Just anyone who puts HD picture quality first. This TV is flat enough :)

Bruhaha

JOONGLE has a point, but I don't think it's just the depth of screens that killed CRTs. I think it's the overall size, HD, and the general public believing LCD's give a better picture than CRT because it's newer.

CRTs can't go beyond 32 - 36" in size, and even then they weigh a ton (not literally, of course) and they're much bigger backed than these laser TV's. Plus I assume you could buy them in the states, but here in NZ at least, there were no HD CRT TVs on the market.

Working in electronic sales myself, I have to say few customers check the depth of a new TV. I'm sure they'll be impressed by a 9mm Plasma, but if the price is right, the TV's ass not gigantic, and the picture quality is great, I think many people would still be interested in a laser TV.

TailsNZ

@iiviip3: People who read this site and know their stuff buy these TVs. I know I will.
Who on earth moves their television around when it's over 22 inches anyway? My parents just bought a 40'' TV and they mounted it to the wall. Rock solid. They will not be moving it around.
My grand parents have a 22'' TV in their kitchen, on a cart. They move their TV around. By the way, theses TV stes won't be very thick, really.
Regarding image quality, for geeks and perfectionists it is important. People who like their movies with real colors have kept their CRTs (up until now when LCDs and plasmas have increased color range and contrast ratios) and rear projection is really the best there is.
Taking up space isn't really an issue is it. You can draw things to extremes but really, where the hell do I fit the cords in to that thing without mounting it 6" out from the wall? And the speakers just seem to take up more space than ever before.

I have been waiting for theses TVs ever since I heard there was a new technology coming. What worries me though is the fact that they pushed the promotion with ladies on stage. What are they hiding that the journalists weren't allowed to see? They have a great TV, why the hell did they have to have naked people backing it up? No one else seemed to have that problem.

aglet

@Hvedhrungr: It couldn't have been too hard - are those even considered skirts? Not that I'm complaining. ;)

Reiji

And to think you managed those upskirt shots without the tailcam... pure skillz.

Hvedhrungr

I hate to be the negative on this one - but they´re beating a dead horse, backscreen projection monitors and TV´s will no longer succeed after Flatscreens took over the marked.

It´s very simple - really! People don´t want BULKY screens that fill up half your space, nor do they want to carry them around. Even if you can present the worlds absolutely best image ever - will this ever sell again. Why do we know this? Again simple...look... CRT are still known for WAY better image quality and colors than both LCD and PLASMA sets, still...they´re literally GONE now, why? People WANT FLAT SCREENS. They´re easy to move, the quality is acceptable now due to improved technology and they don´t fill up your personal space more than an image hanging on the wall, why would you EVER go back to that bulky projection thingy?

I am sure there are specialized needs for ultra-high quality, but honestly - you can get LASER projectors for that...that fills less space than this would. These units are doomed to fail, sorry to say Mitsubishi.

JoOngle

I don't know where the TVs were in those pictures but the quality was superb.

iiviip3

LOL.

Skorpius