HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!
i didn't expect anything less for a company that charged you 5$ for a firmware upgrade (wireless draft-n)

pek

Wow, this is definitely one of the lamest Apple nickle-and-dime scams ever.

I mean seriously, how did the iPod Touch even launch without an email application in the first place? ITS A PORTABLE INTERNET DEVICE WITHOUT EMAIL! It didnt even make sense.

Now 6 months later you FINALLY launch email and charge $20 for it - thats insulting.

brundlefly76

@Xenocide: It's not. Never said it was. I just dont see why people continue to pay a premium to take it up the ass.

ItsMrJP

@ItsMrJP: @ItsMrJP: And this is news how?

Xenocide

So, I guess the iPod Touch just went down $20 in price. Sort of. Except not.

BStu

probably the lamest thing ever. A mail app and map app that are already developed? Its not even like they are passing the cost to the user. They are just thinking of new costs to place upon you.

xxenclavexx

@Hiphopopotamus: You are right sir, apperently the apple way is to screw early adapters. Then proceed to nickel and dime every single customer for anything and everything. Didn't they do something similar with games for the ipod a while back?

ItsMrJP

I rather have a pricedrop than new crap we could have just got through homebrew...

ph15h

First off, apple purposefully gimps the Apple Touch by not including these things, then charges people who bought it to put them on?

Daveed

Was Steve not aware this software was available a month (longer?) ago at a 100% discount? Opposed to 3rd party software is one thing; pretending to be painfully ignorant of it, thats not that Apple way.

Hiphopopotamus

seems I'm not alone

jchasse

I agree is complete BS, my touch will remain jailbroken (for free) instead of paying steve-o $20. I already paid $400 so no more money for you.

Question: does this $20 fee include the lyrics support and the home customization?, or is that free?

elmyc

Still loving my hacked touch.

jchasse

20 bucks?
Navizon is free on any jailbroken ipods.
A jailbroken iPod can do pretty much all of this and then some.

I am certainly hoping he pulls a Ron Popeil "and wait there's more! and it's not 20 dollars! It is free!

suburbancowboy

Wow, Apple needs to hire a better PR group... One that takes into account that people want their hardware to be supported... and that it is fairly insulting to try and charge something that has been available for FREE for the past six months. Makes me feel much less guilty about jailbreaking the touch.

swansong

Yeah, so I am going to pay to have my iPod Touch include apps I got with the Jailbreak back in October. That makes sense. LAME.

pomophobe

I, for one, welcome my continued use of Comcast's mail site, visiting Google maps, being a college student and not checking stocks, using the contacts section for notes (and a portable cookbook), and checking the weather online.

SeraSera

20 bucks, are you shitting me? Apple this should be a free uprade/download. Support your own bloody products at least! Cheap bastards!

mesonto

way to fuck your customers, even microsoft doesnt do this with their zune.

*begins flame war*

ItsMrJP

Bull. There is no way I'm putting down $20.00 for something I get now for nothing. Especialy when I don't see people getting it for the same price as I orginaly paid.

Wonder if the uproar over this is going to result in us getting it for free?

tande

This is the biggest pile of horse Sh$@ I have ever heard. Once again, O'Stevie is punishing people who purchased their products early! How does this pricing makes any sense? So I will wait from now on from buying right after launch? You don't charge iPhone users, you don't chrage new buyers, but you want to sock it to those who are loyal?

I bet he will regret this decision. in fact, I will wait until he retracts this Bull.

Noobs-R-Us

Yeah, apple is totally better in every way than everybody else...

Their stuff does more, it does it better, and they wouldn't dream of squeezing money out of you.

...

FortuneGT

@sidmuchrock: But it's not really 1.0 tech biting us in the ass, that's what pisses me off. These were apps - except the lyrics component I guess - that could have been on the touch from day 1. The tech was there and the apps existed. Apple decided to leave them off to differentiate it from the iphone; I get that, I was annoyed, but I understand. But now they are adding them to the new touches while making the earlier adopters pay for them? That makes no sense. Nothing about the hardware has changed...hence it's not 1.0 tech, but Jobs biting us in the ass and I for one just don't understand why.

Law-Talking Guy

You are the cheapest bastards I ever met. $20 for added functionality and you cry. Of course 1.0 technology is going to bite you in the ass. Were you born yesterday?

sidmuchrock

I'll explain it to all of you. This is just a teaser to see if you're ready to pay for ipod SDK made apps. Why? Because apple gets a cut from every app sold. Think people.Think! Demand your apps to be free! Pay now and you keep paying later.

Pff, who cares. Google maps on my ipod. How's that for making sense, come on!

curses

@RomeoDude: It did with the last firmware update. (1.1.2) ? ;)

Anyway, I'm glad I've jailbroken my touch. The UK apple store is still offline, so I don't know how much the upgrade costs in £'s, but I'm guessing... £15?

After seeing the ridiculous pricing for the Air, I wouldn't be surprised.

RetepNamenots

So, the $20 is for the 1.1.3 update? What happens when 1.1.4 rolls out for those who don't pay? Are we all stuck with 1.1.2 unless we pay the toll? And what about the SDK, is that iPhone only?

I haven't Jailbroken my iPod Touch yet, but this has given me the best reason to yet.

LastVigilante

@RomeoDude: That was added to 1.1.2

elmyc

@DeadWriter: the 1.1.3 fw is available now, check for update on your Touch screen.

Once it installed the "new" apps showed up. I had the same problem as you, except I attempted to download the "new" apps several times before I realized the 1.1.3 fw was required to make it work (no error messages to that effect.) Here's to hoping I didn't just spend $100 on something that should have been free anyhow...

LewisNYC

I think the real question on everyone's mind is: does the update add the 'add appointment' button to the calendar?

RomeoDude

Screw Apple!
I just sent a feedback letter to complain. I suggest every iPod touch owner to do the same. The habit of screwing early adopters should stop!

Jailbreak FTW!!!

QuickTime

Stay away. Just purchased it and it didn't down load. Even if it did, it won't work until they release the 1.1.3 update (which is the apps update).

Lame!

DeadWriter

Well from a person who recieved his 16GB iPod Touch as a gift. I will happily pay for it cause i'm still $400 richer than all of you. AHAHAHAHAH! Stop bitching.

F. BOTI

My 8gb touch will remain jailbroken, I was thinking of upgrading to oficial firmware but c'mon 20 bucks on top of what was already paid for a few apps that should have been in there to start with!! No thanks!

Bizdady

@ITSMRJP Hey there's plenty of people who enjoy paying a premium to take it up the ass...

Jrsy

When will fanbois realize that Apple is just a schoolyard bully?

On the plus side, despite their closed proprietary products, they innovate and push the industry.

Yet over and over they F@C! their loyal customers and bully the content providers (music, movie, tv) because they "think they can get away with it".

...Was there any word in the keynote about DRM free iTunes music??? Or, did the music industry give Lord Turtleneck the big middle finger?

digitalpoet

Ok this is ridiculous, I bought my Ipod touch around Christmas and now not even a month later I have to pay $20 for something that now comes with the device? No thank you, Mr. Jobs I am disgusted by your practices and thanks to every retail establishments holiday return policy I will be taking this back and maybe at some point when it has everything you planned to release it with I will purchase it...Good day.

rock122

Who has Steve's e-mail address? Ee should all write to him like when they screwed the early iPhone buyers with a huge price drop shortly after its release.

Noobs-R-Us

@Daveed: I completely agree. You don't sell a crippled device (to help make the iPhone look like a better option), then charge $20 to put back the applications that you purposely removed. Especially when these applications will be included for free on new iPod Touches. Apple better change there position on this... quickly.

Obtusegoose

Apple will get that $20 from me-- if we can post a video of the real Steve Jobs rolling it up to smoke crack off of Fake Steve's ass.

soggy_cheerio

No thanks.

slingblade

@tande: True, I'll just wait for the updated jailbreak, I can always rent on my mac instead of my iPod touch if that's the case. But still I'm hating steve jobs right now

elmyc

Yeah, this is crap. They deliberately stripped this stuff out, for who knows what reason, and now they want $20 to add it back in again. No way in hell are they getting my $20. I can afford it, but no way. It really makes no sense - I get a completely new set of software for my AppleTV for free, but to get a handful of year-old minor utilities I have to shell out? I don't need any of them. I have a Treo that gets all this stuff AND syncs with my Outlook.

afw

@elmyc: I got the impession it was free. Its just the five apps (that most of us seem like we have already) that cost the $20.

But...
You'd have to upgrade to 1.1.3 to get that stuff which would mean your jailbreak is gone and apparently you can't downgrade once you've upgraded to 1.1.3.

I'm just hoping I'll at least get the rental support without the update, but if I don't, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it (or unjailbreak my touch for it)

tande

@someToast: The Government! Potato Salad!

mthrndr

Lame. Greedy bastards.

flumbo

I've had those since September on my Touch. *Dies laughing and $20 richer.*

(Jailbreak FTW!!!)

MrCitizen

@brundlefly76: "ITS A PORTABLE INTERNET DEVICE WITHOUT EMAIL!"

I thought it was an iPod with web access.

Floor wax! Desert topping!

someToast

$20 to make a crippled gadget functional seems like a bargain to me (if you already own one).

weatherman

Soo is there anyway to have my Gmail update instantly on the touch? Instead of refreshing every 15 minutes?

PlasmaMachine

If these were not given for free to new customers I would not be that pissed about it (even thought these were already developed and should be free) but the fact that new customers do not have to pay for these is an absolute outrage. Can Apple even legally do this? Charge some people more for the exact same device than others?

ab3

Boo hiss indeed.

Although I think jailbreakers are perfectly within their rights to do with their device what they please, it's infuriating that those of us who decided to be good little boys and girls and wait for third party support get slighted like this.

This is a lose-lose situation. Joe Blow consumer doesn't know enough to unlock his iPod, and doesn't care enough to spend $20. On the other hand, the techies who read this blog are going to know that they're getting a raw deal and are likely to turn to jailbreaking instead.

I'm sort of debating that option right now, actually.

essonse

Add another "Boo Hiss" to this. I mean, $20 is not that much, but for apps that new customers get with their purchase. Nice of Apple to screw over anyone who got a touch for christmas. Maybe the backlash will reverse this decision.

chillywilly

I think you whiney bastards should take this as your last lesson in how Apple treats early adopters. If it didnt do what you wanted when it was released, why the hell did you buy it? It's a goddamn MUSIC PLAYER! How can you expect it to read your mail or tell you where the f*** you are? Does any other MP3 player do that? Apple has ADDED functionality to this device BEYOND what any reasonable person would expect from an MP3 player and now you get to pay a VERY F***ING MODEST $20 fee IF YOU NEED those apps. Apple gave you exactly what you paid for in the beginning, so quit acting like you DESERVE anything for free. Welcome to the new pace of technology. Get used to it.

KenK

Thanks, Deadwriter, I just sent Apple a feedback letter to complain. All you other guys should too!

cameraz

Although I was charged 3x for the new apps when it looked as though the download was not working (pre 1.1.3 f/w) the Apple Store folks already wrote back to advise they would reverse the duplicate charges. Nice response time. I guess that's what $20 buys us ;)

LewisNYC

totally retarded, asking-for-it non-techy question: so, if i want the web-browsing, google mapping, email-having wonder of the iPod touch, do i need to spend any monthly fee for a data pack as one would for a blackberry, etc? trying to conceptualize/justify getting a touch vs. an iPhone andn saving the $80 month. yeah, i'm dumb. please explain. thx.

ALLCAPS

@QuickTime: I just sent a feedback letter to complain. I suggest every iPod touch owner to do the same. The habit of screwing early adopters should stop! Exactly. We should all do it! Apple Feedback for iPods. Just click and let them know. It does a little good to wank here. It does more good to wank to Apple directly.

@LewisNYC: Thanks. Actually my download crashed due to the competing QT install.

DeadWriter

time to exchange my iPod.

thank god for costco's 90 day return policy!

rimplestultskin

And then when Apple decides to pricedrop it, there shall be more whining from those who didn't already realize they're bending over backwards and taking it reverse-cowgirl style for the Jobs!

Reilaos, Putting the 'Fun' in Dysfunction!

It's kind of like that Wireless-N Software update for the Towers for $2_

uberfu

Meh, not worth giving up jailbreak. Try again, Apple.

mullingitover

actually, yeah... what about that accounting excuse?

this is how i remember it going down last year:
[www.engadget.com]

was that really true then? is it still true now? are we paying more so they avoid a back-of-house inconvenience? and, wouldn't collecting more create an earnings fluctuation anyhow? just in the other direction? like, who decided these apps are worth $20? does that mean i can buy them stand alone for another OS for $20? if it was a made up number, why that number? i dunno... seems fishy.

phospholipid7

Oh, I guess we now have confirmation February will involve third party apps and homebrew with fees.

awdark

@pek: Yup. I can't wait for them to whip out the "accounting requirement" excuse.

nojo

@slapBOXmaster: On the main calendar screen there is a plus in the up right corner. That's it. It was in the 1.1.2 update.

Law-Talking Guy

To anyone complaining about having to pay for new features that should be free and the value being the worst for early adopters: welcome to apple ownership.

Player2

@sidmuchrock: C- for creativity.

Pterror

What about the calendar can you add events and such on the ipod touch with this update. Am I just not seeing it.

slapBOXmaster

Here's my reaction:
[rants.elmycdesign.net]

elmyc

@Pender:
My iPod Touch already has mail, stocks, weather, maps and notes, I'm mad if I have to pay $20 to get lyrics and home customization . Anyways, Jailbreak for the win.

@sidmuchrock: I'm certainly not cheap because I spent $400 in an iPod so that is not even an argument, I just don't feel like paying because is something that should be given out for free, like the iPhone and the AppleTV updates.

elmyc

@Law-Talking Guy: Because the fanbois keep lining up, cash in hand and pants at ankles, whenever Steve-O trots out another product.
I wonder what early adopters of the Air are going to get porked over with?

AmishJohn

@Pender: Uh, why am I a sucker? Regardless of whether I get the update, I have an amazingly easy to use mobile internet/music/movie device. (And for the record, I'm no fanboy, this is the first apple product I've owned since the Apple II my dad brought home in the '80s." I just think it's lame asking owners to pony up $20 for something that should have been included in the first place.

And I have email on my touch - I just have to type "gmail.com" into safari.

Law-Talking Guy

I don't understand the Maps app. Will it basically work anywhere or just when you are sitting in your car in your garage on your wifi network?

Player2

Apple gained me as a new customer last month. (Yes, the touch was my first iPod.)
Apple lost me as a customer today.

was.new.now.gone

To everyone who feels screwed by the $20 price tag, I offer the following condolences: HA HA, SUCKERS.

And to those refusing to pay: enjoy not being able to get email on your iPod Touch. I promise, you will break before Apple does.

Pender

Well Done Mr. Jobs. I'm going to return the iPod Touch I recently bought (and annoy the retailer you rely on) and get the newer updated version without paying for it. You should be ashamed of yourself.

nwog

@sidmuchrock: what if I don't have acces to and itunes store here I latinamerica?I'm stuck with 1.1.2 until the end of the world?

ajbritop

Lame, with all of their "innovation" where's the A2DP support from ANY of their Music devices including the idiot Phone. I have a $150 cell phone that streams music wirelessly to my headephones and holds a 2Gig micro sd card. I don't get why people are still wearing wired headphones.

SourceDesktop

OMG, I love my ipod touch and all but I can't understand why do i have to pay 20bucks 2get a software upgrade...I feel I've been mugged 4this; I my country we don't have acces to the itunes store, so how in the world would I be able to get the upgrade? this is just lame

ajbritop

Where are all those fanboys that defended Apple by arguing that the Touch is first and foremost an iPod and therefore, shouldn't contain iPhone apps when it launched? What do you say now that Apple includes them in the Touch and charges $20 for early adopters?

xAppleFan

I can't believe that they're charging for it while giving it to new customers for free!!

This is extremely insulting to current users! It's not as if there's a marginal cost to them in letting us loyal customers download it. I'm not paying for it. The sooner they go back on this ridiculous policy the better.

Hopefully Steve will quickly become aware of our frustration and do the right thing. Otherwise lots of people will be be cautious about being early adaptors with Apple products.

nwog

Way to punish your loyal, early adopter fans apple. You just lost one of them.

xAppleFan

You guys are the biggest bunch of whiners I have ever seen.

ferrdidly

Fuck, I'm getting my iPod touch early February(10th), I'm gonna get fucked with the 1.1.3 firmware so that means no jailbreak for me. :( Fucking birthday coming so far off from September.

Fadakar

@ALLCAPS: All the web stuff works over wifi, so you need a wireless network and a neighbor with no encryption. I'm still trying to find out if the google maps work without being on a wifi network. According to the apple site it claims it can find you anywhere based on wifi base stations. I don't think it's that hard to get out of the range of any hotspots so I'm confused about the whole thing.

Player2

@Law-Talking Guy:
I am quite ugly, but thats beside the point...

meh.. you win.. I cease to care any longer.

KenK

You're not all complaining? Ha!

FLskydiver

So, what if "oops" my Touch stopped working. I got it for Christmas, so I'm within 30 days - do you think my replacement will have the new software? What a f***ing joke - I've had my Touch a total of 20 days, and now I have to pay $20 for this upgrade. Steve Jobs is an A-Hole!!

zaboomafoohotw

@chillywilly: My thoughts exactly. I wouldn't complain if Apple didn't include the update for Free with new iPod touch purchases. Which is ironic because they would actually make more money if they charged everybody, new and old, to get the apps. Instead they opted to alienate early adopters, which will only lead to less people paying for the apps, and potential loss of customer loyalty.

LastVigilante

I don't think we are complaining. Just pointing out that if new customers get them for free, why should those of us that already bought the product have to pay... especially when there were no hardware changes like the iPod 5.5G update 18 months ago.

On another note, can Notes sync to anything on the Mac?

chillywilly

Stop complaining you guys - THESE APPS ARE AMAZIN - just got them. Plus i had to pay £13 for them, around $26. Well worth the money.

Go Apple! you nearly, almost converting me from a microsoft fanboy.

Rutter-UK

@KenK: Boy I hope you aren't as ugly as you are stupid, for your sake. In order:
1. I got exactly what I wanted when I bought it, very happy with the purchase. Less than thrilled about Apple's decision to put back apps, that should have been there in first place, for some in a firmware update, but not for all.
2. It's actually not just a music player. That's what makes it different from say, every other music player (Archos excluded). It's a pocket-sized wireless internet device. On which I could check my email from day one. But other than that you're totally right.
3. This has nothing to do with technology moving forward. The technology in question existed the day the touch was released. That's what makes the decision to charge some for it a bit of a bummer.

But you're probably right, what with the caps and all.

Law-Talking Guy

Oh!!! and they even add the habilty to read the deam lyrics something that i was able to do with my old nano...i will return my iPod...thanks to costco for they 90 day return policy..sorry for the double post.

miguelon918

So...i pay $400 for a freaking device that is incomplete then later they decide to update the fucking thing and my $400 purchase dont cover the updates and i have to give them more money??... i love my iPod touch but seriously FUCK you Apple!!...and the apps..they didnt even built them from 0 they just do some Copy+paste from the iPhone ¬¬

miguelon918

That's insane.

waterdrop

this is FUCKING bullshit
apple cant do this shit
im not fucking buying this

bigpolla

Typical Apple, go out of your way to screw your customers. Gee thanks, and f*ck you.

xxdesmus

As a PC user and a owner of iPod Nano and Shuffle, I'm not really interested in this $20 fee but I find it kinda lame. Expecially because the Touch isn't exactly cheap.

Anyway I've a question out of curiosity: are softwares like this available online? If they where for PC, you would almost immediately find them in some P2P net but how about those for iPods?

If so, I think most of the users will load their favorite torrent client and paid the right price in this case: zero.

(I pay for my software, but for the real one. this is just a rip-off!)

mendo

Dumbest PR move ever. I thought Apple was supposed to be good at fostering this?

Riemannian

I already have all this by jailbreaking it.

What bullshit at having to pay for it.

Mmsupermario

This is bullshit. I got my touch for christmas, and now I have to pay $20 to get new features that the iPhone gets for free???!?!

kjake

Oh and Apple are deleting any forum posts on their support about this.... I'm not paying for something it should had Day 1

tokyobob

@PlasmaMachine:

Hah... nvm..

/feels wee-tod-ed

PlasmaMachine

The issue I have with this is that this functionality has been artificially removed. I was reading on Engadget and, apparently, it's not an OTA download. This software is already on your Touch; it was artifically locked down to fuck you over.

I invite people who have partaken fully of the Apple Kool-Aid to rationalize this for me. To me, it seems to be an incredible insult to the early adopters and loyal Apple people.

That's just me though; as a Windows user, I'm apparently incapable of having a valid opinion concerning anything Apple-related.

Sqube

As the Ipod Touch was my first ever purchased apple product, after being a long-time hater of Apple, I seriously thought I was going to come around to them. This, is like a slap in the face and I thank the lord that just after xmas I found the "jailbreak your touch the easy way" on this site again, and had the balls to try it out. Keep your crappy offical apps apple, you will never receive another cent from me again...

Kudos on the touch, still a nice mp3 player... *snicker*

Scazza

Hm....surprisingly un-classy move on Apples behalf.

JoOngle

i may be way off and this is simply a money grab from apple, but could it be possible that part of the 20 bucks is going into the hands of google and other parties?

i'm sure google is getting something for every version of maps shipped, a cost that is already factored into the price of the iphone...

either way, sucks a little

pocketcowboy

I bet I couldn't buy it as iTunes store is not supported in my country. Damn this stupid world, I got money to spend, will to spend but they won't take it from me. Lame.

kiwy82

hahaha wow im really liking my zune and wm6 phone with email, way to take it up the ass apple fans

shrimpster44

Assuming that The only good Feed back from today was from iTunes..
what if Apple Decides to go back on this?
So you Get Screwed 2 times?
for you sweet ass 16GbiPod touch.
Then pay $20..to Unlock these Fetures that are all ready Built in!!!
Then Apple Says.Finally says.. . Ok.. People its free know..
and fuc* them again? ....

WOw..

DJJS

@weatherman: Not when the gadget shouldn't have been crippled in the first place.

@Riemannian: Completely agree. This is the dumbest PR move ever, and I don't think I'm every going to buy Apple stuff again when it first comes out. They should think about what would happen if more people started waiting for early-adopter-ripping-off to finish... they would never sell a thing.

@Rutter-UK: The apps may be amazing (and may be the reason why people will actually put down $20... including me), but was it really worth the $20/13 pounds when it comes for free on new devices that have the exact same hardware?

@DeadWriter: I just sent some feedback too :) I hope they get SPAMMED to pieces about people being pissed off... I wish el Jobso would actually read these things.

wvv

@KenK: Your expletives aside, you're almost correct. iPod buyers have always made the assumption that firmware and functionality updates are free. Apple did it for iPod gen 1 - 5. Now all of a sudden, they want to charge people. I think it's safe to assume that if this is the way they will be conducting their business from now on, they will lose a lot of early adopters. It just doesn't pay to buy early. I doubt very much that this was the intent of Jobs.

What I think might be the reason is how Apple account for their revenues. Since they are a SOFTWARE company, they have to charge for software that adds significant functionality. Unfortunately, regulations that were enacted after all the Enron et al fiasco has created this negative byproduct. This is why regulation can sometimes hurt the very same people they're trying to help. It's a double edge sword.

They don't have to charge iPhone users because they're recognizing the revenues over 2 years. They see it as a discount to existing users in their future revenue stream. The same with the iTouch. Even though the 16GB still costs $399, the unit is actually discounted by $20 due to the extra software functionality.

Anyway, I might be wrong but we'll see if Jobs reverses his position on this. I'm sure he's discussing it over with the CFO right now.

Noobs-R-Us

What the hell is apple doing? Seriously, this is just ridiculous. People help support Apple's products by buying them when they are still new (which they REALLY need in order for them to ever continuously sell a product), and then they just f*** everyone who SUPPORTED Apple over the next minute. What kind of business strategy is that? If ANYTHING it should be the other way around... given to all people who bought the thing early and make the rest pay.

To Gizmodo: write a ranting article about this stuff (isn't the first time apple screwed over early adopters). If I remember correctly, didn't it say that Jobs reads Gizmodo himself?

wvv

@kjake: Wow, almost the exact same situation for me (I got it for my bday which was in october). Not only do iPhone people get it for free, but also anybody who gets a touch now gets it for free :S

wvv

@Player2: thanks, okay, that's exactly as i thought. kinda odd quasi-functionality there. it would be nifty if one could pay a nominal data-pack charge monthly and this really could be an iPhone/crackberry Lite.

ALLCAPS

3 words: "bite me, Apple!"

billybarty

Had my rant on the apple.com/ipod feedback form, noticed that the Touch isn't listed as an option in the "which iPod software are you running" section. Weird.

Oh, and the $20 sucks.

martinjy

All of you who actually paid for the $20 update and are ranting at the same time should STFU. You are not helping the situation at all. Learn how to vote with your wallet.

XAppleFan

its almost like apples new products are held back as far as software until everybody has one

wierdal546

is he, and apple so dumb that they dont realise most of us had these apps anyway why on gods earth would we pay for them. i reckon we will have an updated jailbrake within a few weeks anyway, apple are going backwards, what has happened. LOL

nicksmith156

Boo friggity hoo - God forbid I buy a $400 iPod Touch and then bitch about a paltry $20 upgrade to make it better......

Matterhorn

BAD, really BAD!

1. iPhone, iTunes and AppleTV have free upgrades. ipod touch hasn't.

2. Mac os x tiger to leopard full upgrade (300 applications never used before) costs $10. ipod touch upgrade (only 5 applications, 4 already used by iphone) $20.

3. If apple dont want to develop software free, progammers from around the world like me want to do it, like hackers do it with jailbreak. Even though, i don't expect that sdk will be free.

4. New ipod touches have the 5 applications free, why do i have to pay for them if i bought the touch 3 weeks ago? what's the difference, the time?. Sorry for bought in christmas, i though it was a good gift.

5. The problem is not the money, sure we all can pay that. We support Apple when some bugs appear sending mails to the company so they can build better devices with software. This is the way of them to say thanks.

6. I still believe in buying software but...with jailbreak i can get all 5 apps together for free. So, i have been wrong all this time? sure i am.

Steve's favorite words: "Amazing", "Gorgeous", "Beautiful", "Very, Very Cool"... no matter he said, this character is what matters to us: "$".

I can say 5 more but i think you get the idea. I was saving money for a macbook pro, maybe i'll wait a few years more or maybe it's the time to say goodbye to Apple. they took a bad direction the last 3 years, it seems that they dont want to change the course.

rmbrody

$20 bucks, no way! I just returned my two week old iphone and now I am going to turn around and buy a new one with 1.1.3 already on it. Thanks to Amazon's free shipping and no sales tax!

It is well worth the gymnastics just to get what should be a free update to all early adoptors anyway!

I know of another person that purposely fried thier iTouch with 120 volts and is bringing it in for a warrentee replacement...

I have come to expect MUCH better product support from Apple, this is sad news. :-(

Phastlane

@pocketcowboy:

If part of the $20 is going to 3rd party licensing fee, then why not make all Touch users pay for it. Why do new owners get it for free. If it was a Software purchase for all Touch owners, then fine.
If you bought your iPod a week before MacWorld, and choose not to return it and buy a new one, then you would have to pay the $20. return your old iTouch if you can and buy the new one.

reefcam

I'm on the boat with everyone. can't believe this shit Apple is pulling. The apps would be cool but not going to buy it. Wanting for someone to post it on BitTorrent for Free. :)

I would recommend everyone who can return their iPod Touch, do so. And purchase a new one with the apps. Why not have a flood of used iPod returned from stores to Apple. hopefully they will change their mind. I would return mine, but damn, Apple only have a 14 day return policy. Now I see why it is so short.

Yes, Steve Jobs loves having sex with you. Anal sex that is. Bend over so I can screw you.

reefcam

When Steve Jobs announced that in Macworld '08 keynote, I'm sure some of the attendees think it was free. But when he said it's gonna cost $20 bucks, everyone was silent. (disappointment, haha!)

Apple, please make it free. If the situation is not rectify, I'll make sure I'll never be 1st-gen adopters.

Mike3300

I'm a Zune owner and when the 2nd version of zune came out, they also gave the 1st Zune owners the same update for FREE. No one is paying for softwares these days.

Deepman007

I also just sent a feedback letter to Apple ranting about this BS. Everyone, get ranting! Send your complains!!!

parokyano

The iPod "Randy's iPod Touch" could not be updated. An unknown error occurred (1602).

So I'm out $20 and I don't have a working 1.1.3 iPod or the new software :(

rmagruder

I don't usually comment here - just quietly read and agree/disagree (as I am sure do many.) But this in incredible. Really?! I am speechless. I can almost understand the $$ for the apps, but for the general interface updates(icon placement etc)?! Insanity. I have been an on-the-fence apple fan but I think that may have come to an end. Like many I have purchased an ipod every generation. I came near to getting a zune this time around mainly because of wireless sync (that I'd pay $20 for) and because m*soft has shown so far that they will support their previous generation hardware. But I was wooed by the touch and it's possibility of being an an update-able and amendable platform. Geeze, do I feel like a fool! What a bunch of B*S!

jasonpaulso

I have a touch and bought the $20 upgrade. Sure I would rather it be free, but $20 isn't a ton of money, and when I bought it I was happy with it's feature set. I didn't EXPECT it to have these apps (since it was specifically marketed as not having them)

I guess there are a lot of entitled people out there that think that they are entitled to everything, and have to offer up nothing to get it. A lot of posts on gizmodo are like that.

One has to wonder about what will happen when all the kids who want everything free grow up and run the world. Will everything just be free? How will they put food on their tables for their families? Oh right, the farmers will just be providing everything free ;-)

I mean "music/software/whatever is expensive so I'll just steal it". Try that at the local car dealership sometime.

ari14850

I just wrote this to the official Apple feedback form for the Ipod Touch:

Ok, lemme get this straight. Early adopters of the Ipod Touch, like myself, have to pay $20 for 5 new apps that are FREE for people who are buying new Ipod Touches from this day forward? I hope everyone at Apple realizes that this is nothing but Corporate GREED at work in its highest form. How is that fair that your are charging for nothing more than a Firmware Update?! These apps should have been there from day ONE! And Iphone users get all this for FREE as well? Oh, and Apple TV users are getting a HUGE HUGE software update for free that will give them the ability to rent movies from Apple?! I don't get it. WHY IS APPLE PENALIZING EARLY ADOPTERS OF THE IPOD TOUCH?!

Tell Steve this was the straw that broke the camel's back. I'm off the Jailbreak my Ipod Touch to get these applications for FREE. I can't believe I waited so long thinking that Apple would take care of its loyal customers!

xphyle

YES!! $400 well spent, thank you Steve for this brain fart!!!1one

The only thing that's worth it is lyrics, which really should have been on there in the first place, all the other stuff I can get through jailbreak, using mail since I got my touch, what are you gonna do now, Apple?

huth.sebastian

what the frick? I'm not going to pay $20 for something I can have for free with a jailbreak. They're really trying to piss off customers, if it'd at least be optional for EVERYONE, but all those who waited are getting this for free, and we, who bought the touch right after it came out are supposed to pay for it?
Yah, you're so ridiculous, Apple, really. after reading that my mood dropped to zero, apparently Steve doesn't just have the gift to compell people, he also has a great gift to piss people off and make them not wanna buy an apple product ever again.

so that's the thanks for supporting you, Apple? I'd say $400 well spent!!

huth.sebastian

Seriously. I have had mine since they were first "leaked" at Best Buy stores. Why on earth do we have to pay $20 for something that already exists, and comes with the new ones stock. The killer was including it with the new ones. Seriously, you upgrade the stock software on a system, and then offered a crippled version of it to everyone already using it?

For once, Apple needs to look at Microsoft. Seriously, if MS can give everyone with a Zune an upgrade when they released the newer ones.

I used to be a bit of an Apple fanboy. But if they keep doing this I may just leave them forever. If only MS would quite screwing up their OS, I would....

szrimaging

i bought my upgrade and it was well worth the money, so what if they have to make money stop complaining and grow up!

ollie908

Isnt google maps and gmail supposed to be 100% free?

Apple is always looking for an extra buck. Fuck Them!

fearfactor87