@PRO7: Have you been asleep?

[gizmodo.com]

R2B2

@PRO7: iPhone apps are made by Freaks?

ywpark

This report is flawed, Before the iphone came along how did the chart look? Maybe symbian had 27 share, and maybe it did it with the release of the first smartphone nokia.

Also globally speaking symbian probably shifts more than iPhone, simply due to iPhone mainly being an american thing for the moment.

Symbian have most of europe, and a chunk of aisa to go along with them north american figures, What does apple have?

A few phones in france and germany maybe.

All in all, this report or blog, reads like a fanboy pushing his favorite technology onto people, trying desperately to show how it is the best.

I know you guys love apple stuff, and i enjoy reading coverage of their products, but give the competition the respect they deserve, and realise that there is more to life than being loyal to a brand.

prodigal_son

Here come the MS trolls.

ImTheKing

I guess, the iphone can't be called a real smartphone, as there are almost no legal apps available for the iphone. Everything installed on it is made by freaks. I wish Apple would finally allow third companies to produce and sell legal apps for the iphone. I'd like to see the statistics for Europe, symbian should have 90% of the smartphone market in ever Q.

PRO7

10 million windows mobile phones were sold last year.

The Brain

I wouldn't be too sure about the iPhone taking away blackberries. the iPhone isn't as secure, and can't handle corporate e-mail which is what the blackberry was designed for.

lafond66

[hamilton-town.myminicity.com]

SAIFDS

@johnnyabnormal: 'My iPhone is much cheaper than most Nokia or Palm devices I've had in the past, and simply blows away either of them in ease of use, battery life, dimensions, screen size, toughness, fast operating system, etc. etc.'

I can't help replying to this as I think you're showing a grossly one-sided view here.

I don't know about the rest of the world but here in the UK, you'd be hard pushed to find any other phone that you couldn't get free on a similarly-priced contract to the cheapest one the iPhone is available on.
Ease of use; yeah, I have to agree, the UI is great.
Battery life; I've been pretty disappointed with this, it's pretty sucky if you're using wi-fi much.
Dimensions; it's thinner but it's larger, so we'll call this a no-score-draw.
Toughness; it's better than the iPods with their shiny backs but I wouldn't say it was any better than most other phones.
OS; faster than some, about the same as some others.

It's a nice phone, don't get me wrong but it's really not the be-all and end-all in mobile phone handsets.
Like everything else on the market, it has it's pros and it's cons.

Step666

@bitfactory: actually, he's pretty close to the truth.
Ok, the 'tool' comment is a bit harsh but the simple fact is that the iPhone isn't a smartphone and it certainly isn't going to be a threat to Blackberry or WM-based phones from a corporate stand-point.

Ok, so your wife's iPhone syncs better with her Mac than her old phone did but what about all the businesses out there who don't care about or need decent syncing with Macs because they use Windows?
They aren't going to pay through the nose for a phone that doesn't do what they need as well as the (cheaper) competition.

Step666

@clevin: Oh, did I say anything about my employees? (although they all have iPhones by choice) I simply said that I run my business really well using it. Besides mail, calendar etc. synced and working perfectly all the time, it also contains the company reel so I can show clients material very easily on the spot without needing a DVD player or a laptop to connect to the online reel. I was also using it to run my business while out of the country for a month as well. So, your LOL = my TFSU.

@Wildarms7000:

"Ok, the people who are buying iPhones are rich tools who have nothing better to do with their money and like showing it off at parties."

Ok, the people who hate people who buy iPhones are jealous tools who have nothing better to do with their time than be MS trolls on the Giz. My iPhone is much cheaper than most Nokia or Palm devices I've had in the past, and simply blows away either of them in ease of use, battery life, dimensions, screen size, toughness, fast operating system, etc. etc.

johnnyabnormal

does this also include the websites that have been watched with an ipod TOUCH???

Bodypainter

@Wildarms7000: You're the tool.

My wife has an iPhone - it replaced her Palm V, cellphone and iPod - it also syncs to her Macbook much easier than her Palm ever did. In the end it's the perfect convergence device for those who require it.

It's best if you don't comment on stories if you have no idea what you're talking about.

bitfactory

@prodigal_son: "This report is flawed, Before the iphone came along how did the chart look?"

There are a couple of charts right there on the page that show you what smartphone market share looked like before the iPhone was released.

[www.roughlydrafted.com]

[www.roughlydrafted.com]

I don't see anything in the rest of your statement to back up the idea of the report being flawed. While Daniel Eran Dilger has his biases, he's simply the messenger delivering what Canalys has studied.

Marty_MacFly

Ok, the people who are buying iPhones are rich tools who have nothing better to do with their money and like showing it off at parties. The people who are buying Blackberrys and Windows Mobile phones actually have jobs that require them to schedule things and all that jazz. iPhone should be in the same class as the Sidekick, not smart phones.

Wildarms7000

lol, your business, may I ask how many employees you have?

a single quarter's sales means nothing. nobody sign 3 months contract with wireless providers. apple fanboys need to be more truthful. or they just are influenced by SJ so much that they just can't stop lying anymore?

clevin

@lafond66: Not secure?...compared to what? When you say corporate email, are you referring specifically to the method RIM uses? I've been running my business email on my iPhone really efficiently, btw.

johnnyabnormal

.... its sad to say... but that chart turns me on.... gosh ... I have to stop obsessing.

ipodrulz

Once third party Applications and MS Exchange Integration comes into place... There is no keeping IPhone..

europria

I figure that Apple could release a 'commercial' version in the future, once they've worked out the initial kinks and established their place in the market- if it makes business sense. After all, they already have their hands full negotiating contracts, preparing an SDK, etc...

I don't know how much of an impact it would make in RIM's sales, though.

UERD

well although as a iphone owner i admit it is still buggy as hell, i can't take me hand off of it, am also seeing alot of them in the wild lately even some of my friend that where faithful microsoft fanboys got them, strange but true. the only one who should not worry about the iphone is Rim because the blackberry is also the best in its field as a business tool. that why i guess steve made it real clear when he said it was not intent for business used.

snitch29

Cut out Symbian, Palm, and Linux, and it sorta looks like Pac-Man eating Balmer.

kyanges

@Step666: "Ok, the 'tool' comment is a bit harsh but the simple fact is that the iPhone isn't a smartphone and it certainly isn't going to be a threat to Blackberry or WM-based phones from a corporate stand-point."

If the iPhone isn't a smartphone, why do market research firms like NPD and Canalys include it in their statistics? Why was Symbian, the leading smartphone OS vendor, fearful of publishing these results for once if they don't view the iPhone as a competitor to their business?

As for the "corporate standpoint," have you seen the Palm Centro? The Motorola Q, Samsung Blackjack, Nokia N95? Heard about the new 9000 series of touchscreen handsets RIM is developing? Seen the new BlackBerry Pearl commercial advertising its hip new colors rather than secure e-mail?

Here, check out the Pearl website itself where it's highlighted as being "Small, Smart, and Stylish."

[www.blackberrypearl.com]

Smartphone sales have seen substantial growth year after year because of the CONSUMER MARKET. It's the crossover into the mainstream as they're purchased by non-corporate customers who demand more feature rich devices that has turned smartphones into a booming business. Do you honestly believe Apple used a touchscreen phone to enter this space with the intention of appealing to businesses?

You're right, the iPhone in its current form will not be much of a threat corporate-wise. However Microsoft, RIM and Palm are creating more consumer friendly devices for average joes like myself and that's where the Apple threat lies. The millions of people buying iPhones could have very well ended up with a T-Mobile Dash or HTC Touch instead. These are the customers driving smartphone adoption.

Marty_MacFly

Hmm, I can't believe this pie-chart either, I mean, Palm looks all but dead. Even if those were just quarter sales, there might be a certain dose of wishful thinking in it.
I think the iPhone has real promise, first of all doing away with those tiny keyboards, and running on OS X (I was really turned on by that SSH-article that was on the giz a couple of weeks after the iPhone came out). But unless there are native third-party apps (notably spreadsheet, accounting, word processing, dictionaries and GPS) on it, a better camera (maybe with just a little auto-focus...), stylus-centered text recognition and some sort of removable storage -only has to be microSD- I'll stick with my PalmOS device until it bites the dust. Maybe Palm will bite the dust before that, hehe, PalmOS 6 going straight to vaporware heaven;-)
It's just been half a year for the iPhone, so, I will keep reigning in my enthusiasm for the great design and turn my attention to what matters most for me in a phone, which is, that I can us it as a serious business companion for my notebook, apart from making calls, of course;-)

yogibimbi

Nice work with the Ballmer chair toss graphic. I rofl'd!

mullingitover

@johnnyabnormal: lol, for what you described, you should know yourself that a big company can't rely on iphone. whats wrong with pointing out the obvious?

btw, as a business man, im sure you know its ridiculous to argue the marketshare based on a sales # from one quarter? do you?

clevin

This is SO different outside US!

Palestina

I wish I could post that picture about arguing on the internet inline right here.

Joseph

Whether the iPhone will dominate the smartphone world is certainly far from being decided. It doesn't change the fact that the iPhone is kicking some ass left and right, so you haterz should just chill and wait this one out before you continue with your bashing.

Seriously.

Cue back 4 months and try to remember what you were saying back then:

"This POS iPhone shite is destined to fail because [__________________] (insert your favorite iPhone doomsday scenario from circa June 2007)"

Dearhaw

@Step666: Btw, about pricing: I'm no fan of the way things are set up with carriers, phones and pricing in the USA. I would like to see other cell phone manufacturers create something like the iPhone or better so it has some competition. That is when things will really get interesting.

johnnyabnormal

@Step666: Don't get me wrong, I think there are cons too: No flash, no 3G, etc. I never said the device was perfect, that's for sure. There's plenty of room for improvement. I also don't think it's for everyone, although anyone who has tried mine out wanted one really badly, then bought one. I am also basing my views on my past 3 phones:

Unlocked European Treo 650 - Easily scratched screen, pathetic battery life, crashed constantly.

Unlocked European N80 - Slowest operating system I've ever used on a phone. Also probably the most counterintuitive OS I've ever used as well.

johnnyabnormal

@dvda:

"It would be similar as popping in an enV into the numbers"

Oh for fucks sake. While the iPhone may not have some qualities that will, for the time being, keep it out of the enterprise world, how can you even suggest comparing the iPhone to an enV?

If you have an OS running on it that is arguably much more sophisticated than Windows Mobile (regardless of some of its lacks applications-wise), how can you NOT put the iPhone in the same league as WM phones? Or Symbian or Palm phones?

What some of you haterz are doing is artificially narrowing your definition of what a "smartphone" is just so that you can exclude the iPhone (and, let's face it, pretty much nothing else out there on the market) and make these stupid arguments about how the chart is not comparing apples to apples.

Quite pathetic, if you ask me.

Dearhaw

It is kind of fun watching everyone making strawman arguments of the other side. The iPhone was never intended to be a business machine so get over that argument. It was designed purely as a consumer device(Which Apple did a bang up job in marketing to the people on the street.)with almost no attention paid to enterprise IT integration. Arguing that it is poor because it is not a good enterprise-grade device (Missing encryption, lack of MS Exchange integration)is a moot point. MS meanwhile went for the Enterprise segment and basically tacked on consumer feature. WM (And also RIM) is great at integrating with typical corporate systems but horrible to use as a consumer device since it wasn't part of the basic design from the beginning.

What MS, RIM and Palm realize now (And Apple figured out) is that the market has shifted. Corporations have adopted the "Good Enough" stance when looking at IT and are no longer willing to but the latest and greatest for their employees just for the sake of it. Consumers on the other hand have become more and more receptive to network technologies and want smartphone-like devices. And so they are now the place for growth for smart phones. Apple came in at the right time and offered the right device for that. The others will get their products retooled for the John and Jane of the street soon enough and adapt to the changed market. At the end, we all get some cool new phones at competitive prices.

reallifedilbert

smartphone in North.America? in Q3 of 2007? That's like saying (calm down, just making a point) the ps3 outsell the wii but in November. Sure it's a fact but just a piece of the pie, not the whole picture...If they want to compare,why not compare the whole world (or atleast where the iphone's available).

hmooby

As to the "it syncs easier with a Mac." So what. Real smart phones don't sync with desktops, they sync with their server directly via direct push or some variant of it; bringing down contacts, mail, schedules and to-do stuff..etc.

Hell, if I had to actually be in the office to sync my schedule? WTF use is that?

WM has issues, no doubt, but for the iphone fans to even try to compare their toy to a real smart phone from MS or Blackberry is a joke. The iPhone is an iPod with a half-assed phone tacked on.

ianken

@ Marty MacFly...
I didn't assume that 27% of people I saw would have an iphone. If a lot of iphones are selling the probability of me seeing one would go up. The numbers stretch the truth a little. Even your first sentence is misleading "Canalys has produced a report showing the iPhone has grown massively in North America" By popping in a phone that is not in the smartphone catagory the numbers skew. The general cellphone market has much bigger market than smartphones. It would be similar as popping in an enV into the numbers. The target audience for cell phones is different and much larger. What are the numbers compared when popped into the cell phone market? It would be interesting to see.

dvda

How is the iPhone smart when it cannot connect to any sort of enterprise back end or services?

I seriously doubt they stole any share from WM or Blackberry. It's just the trendy zombies trading in their Moto Dorkr or wtf ever they thought they were supposed to buy in order to be cool.

ianken

I use my iPhone for my (one person) art/tech related business, along with an office full of mostly macs and one despised pc. The main reason? I'd rather have tools that are easy to set up and use, so I can focus on the work I want to do. Sure, nothing is perfect (I'd like another layer of protection against accidental calls), but the automatic mac-compatibility of the iPhone saves me a lot of time and hassle.

flashingJ

@bsoft: "Did you seriously just quote RoughlDrafted?"

I did not quote the personal opinion of Daniel Eran Dilger. I linked to charts he hosted on his website, charts that were created by and are the property of the Canalys market analysis and consulting firm.

[www.canalys.com]

If you would click the links, or even let your pointer hover over them, you would've seen that rather than being forced to make an assumption.

Marty_MacFly

Now that the newness of the iphone is over we should see that number come back down. I've seen several articles/blogs from users who tried it and bailed. Cute toy, nice package, not even close to being ready for business.

multipleshotsfired

@dvda: "if it had 27% marketshare...I figure I would have seen it a lot more."

The 27% figure does not mean 27% of everyone you see in the street now owns an iPhone. It means 27% of US smartphones sold during the 3rd Quarter (months of July-September) were iPhones. The "smartphone market" is a tiny portion of all cell phones sold.

"After reading the article and navigating the site...I realized the Daniel Dilger might be a little biased"

The 27% figure, as well as the estimates from Canalys, are the findings of the market research firms known as NPD and Canalys. They are not the products of studies conducted by Daniel Eran Dilger, he simply analyzed them. His personal biases, however right they may be, have nothing to do with what NPD and Canalys reported.

Marty_MacFly

@Marty_MacFly: Did you seriously just quote RoughlDrafted? This is the same site that claims that not having third-party apps for the iPhone is a good thing. Really - go read some of their articles, then come back and think about whether you consider them to be a credible source.

bsoft

So I always keep an eye on what people are using when I'm out and about. I realize the press and blog writers heavily pump all things apple... so its always good to do a reality check. I live in a fairly populated area to say the least and I've only seen 4 iphones in use since they came out. So I was actually pretty shocked to see this article. Airports, restaurants, business seminars, grocery stores... if it had 27% marketshare...I figure I would have seen it a lot more. In fact I see more rzr's, blackberry's, EnV's and what I call "generic phones" then the iphone. So I ventured to the Roughly drafted site to get the full scoop. After reading the article and navigating the site...I realized the Daniel Dilger might be a little biased...and the numbers might be a little full of shit. It could have been the article equating Microsoft to communist russia...or how the zune is the most evil product ever made...or how microsoft buyers suffer from stockholm syndrome. I don't know I think he might not like microsoft.
Honestly, this guy makes mossberg look like a rabid Microsoft fanboi. Giz..where did you dig this retard up? I wouldn't be surprized if he wears a tinfoil helmet to protect himself from evil microsoft.

dvda

@clevin: Ha! Well, LOL back @ you for a few reasons:

- I never said I had a big business, nor mentioned anything about big business. I simply said it works perfectly for mine.

- I also never mentioned anything about the market share. I will comment on it now though: The numbers are very encouraging for the iPhone. I fully expect it to become a very common handset, especially when they get cheaper.

johnnyabnormal

@PRO7:

Dude, it's spelled "phreaks," first of all, and second of all, phreaking died out. Just because the iPhone is a phone of sorts doesn't mean that app developers are hacking Ma Bell, m'kay?

Further, the iPhone is a "real" smartphone for the simple reason that the term is just too nebulous for it to be anything but a smartphone.

@prodigal_son:

Uhm, hello, this entire report is based on North American figures. And it's not some Gizmodo exposé - these figures are published by professional analysts.

DisposableInterloper

Yeah uh I still have only seen an iphone outside the store 3 times, and word from the local store from the employees is they are getting alot of returns, I can't back that up but why would they say that.

I have to agree that the iPhone shouldn't have been in the chart to begin with, additionally beyond corporate e-mail can it do anything else for business? Nope I'm more excited about android and the possibility of an open platform that I tell what I want on it.

I wanted to like the iPhone but I found it disapointing in person.

Ultraorange

I only took Apple 1 round to get 1/4 of the marketshare?

Type-E

So, 1 quarter in 1 market is showing this. Great. What about actual marketshare? Its showing 1 market in 1 quarter - seems pretty selective. Kinda like Zune 30 being the #1 best selling MP3 player out there...for a couple weeks....on amazon.com....for an MP3 players only sold in the US. Everyone knows the Zune isn't #1. And everyone knows iPhone doesn't have that big of a marketshare.

PuckOTG22

With all arguments about the iPhone being a "smartphone" aside. Keep in mind that the iPhone is a powerful mobile computing device with standardized hardware and software (OS X). Since the SDK is coming sometime in 2008 and ever growing number of people become homogeneous by way of the iPhone, methinks interesting things are a comin`.

I think Jobs realizes that the iPhone really is more of a platform than a device in itself. Which is the reason why Google was so quick to come up with Android.

Apple did the right thing by designing the thing to be a mobile device focused on communicating (making calls with relative ease and message handling). Compared to other offerings that seem to be more like PDA's with send and end keys. The fact that the physical interface is always the same (a huge touchscreen); The iPhone could have different application interfaces for different groups of people with specific functionality.

Compared to other devices of similar pedigree the iPhone can evolve to a much greater degree.

radikaled

***SNORE***

You slackers ever RTFA?

Canalys, Symbian: Apple iPhone Already Leads Windows Mobile in US Market Share, Q3 2007

Regardless - this is flame fodder - nice way to crank up the page views and make sure those ad dollars keep coming in.

How are we categorizing smartphones now? For quite some time that has been a device that could interact with the corporate infrastructure, not be a security threat to it.

skulldriveshaft

@johnnyabnormal: true, it has it's pros as well as it's cons, I never meant to imply that it was all bad.
Personally, I would say the only downside is the price/contract - if it were more competitive, Apple would have sold so many more. As it is, where I work, we have more than 30 sat in the stick room, they've been there since the launch and we actually advise customers to get something else because it's a rip-off.

@Marty_MacFly: yes, there are a lot of stylish smart phones out there and, yes, they are trying to appeal to individuals as well as businesses.
But there's the important bit - 'as well as'. They're looking to expand into the same market as the iPhone safe in the knowledge that the features will continue to appeal to companies. The iPhone doesn't have that same basis, it has the one market which is the individual consumer because companies won't touch 'em.

@Type-E: they may well have a 25% market-share just now but that won't necessarily continue. After all, all these people who bought one in Q3 won't be on the market for another phone for almost another two years, will they?

Step666

@lafond66: Ah, gotcha. Yeah, I'm talking about a VERY small business here. Either way, I would never compare the iPhone to the Sidekick for many reasons:

- The UI is absolutely different.
- OSX

That alone is HUGE.

Anyway, what is "secure" always makes me laugh when you consider the possibilities of ECHELON + the snooping NSA. Btw, I swear I've heard of people hacking into Blackberry phones before...I could be wrong though. I don't know if it was the phone or a server.

If you're talking about reliability, I've never had my iPhone crash since the day I got it (6/29). I don't get dropped calls. My apps are synced and work perfectly in any country. Google maps has saved my ass in cab rides through Porto, Portugal and helped me navigate a trail in the Italian Alps. The whole time I was still running my business in the states using the Mail app. I certainly have no complaints here.

johnnyabnormal

@johnnyabnormal: I'm talking about large corporations. Tens of thousands of employees. Companies like that rely on RIM and have never had issues. I agree with the person that compared the iPhone to Sidekicks. It's like a fun little phone, that you can do alot of stuff with. You could run your business off a sidekick too. Those have calendars, web browsing, email, a fancy interface, contacts, etc. Don't get me wrong, the iPhone is nice, there's one in the family, but same person who has the iPhone also has a Blackberry. Because when you're dealing with confidential important e-mails and reliability and security are your top concerns, you stick with RIM.

Lets have this same discussion next march (end of the 2008 fiscal year), and put the same groups in the chart, but add in all the sidekicks, cause they're pretty smart too. LG enVs too maybe, maybe not. We'll see.

lafond66

I have an iphone, not the most expensive phone i've purchased but the only one i've purchased locked since 2000. Although i don't think it is the end all, it's better than most. Some software changes would make it better. GPS nav, multiple people sms, office apps, flash, java and a few other things. The SD card slot not such a big deal. camera works fine even though you should be in a well lit place. Grils seem to have problems using it with long nails. I keep mine in my pocket and it seems to be in good shape even after 5+ months. All and all i hope they make more apps available but the phone is good.

rurena

They are comparing the iPhone (for consumers) to devices being purchased for business. You are not allowed to purchase the iPhone on a corporate plan - so they are comparing devices to the iPhone that do not compete against it. (?!)

This seems a little absurd.

Don't get me wrong, the iPhone is a nice device, but it is not a replacement for a Blackberry. It is a replacement for a standard mobile phone and an iPod.

Monty

You folks are silly, getting worked up about things you do or don't own. What rubbish.

I synched my iPhone with my home Mac and its Mail app, walked across the room and synched it to another with Entourage, then took it to work and synched it with Outlook. I have schedules, contacts, and all that jazz from all three. It even (via iTunes) helped me to sort out repeats. Now I have all my stuff in one place with little effort and it's replicated across all 3.(cue chorus of angels). That alone is worth the price of entry.

I tell people the same thing I used to say about my Mac. "It's perfect for me, may not be as good for you. Give it time and see what happens, I predict great things." and I expect to be right...again.

BTW, calling a Blackberry user a Business Tool isn't very nice. Even if they don't know how to use 90% of the phone's functions. Then again, I'd rather they kept their issues on someone else's platform.

Ahh, it's the same argument, 10 years later. And no, it doesn't get old being happy and smug, not at all.

BWGunner

@Monty:

Look at other stuff they're comparing the iPhone to.

Are you saying that ALL Windows Mobile phones is corporate only?? All Palm, all Symbian?

You can only make that claim about RIM, everything else is directly comparable to the iPhone. And the iPhone is kicking ass. Period.

Dearhaw

I am in a pretty big market, with most of the movie studios nearby, and I have YET to see ONE iPhone in the wild. Because there are many sheep who will buy whatever everyone else is (hence, the need to spin poll numbers because people will vote for whom they perceive as the likely winner, rather than the one that represents their interests), the PR people need to find SOME statistic that makes the iPhone look dominant. Nice toy. Some people can do business on it. NOT the market leader!

Skeptical_Geezer

@johnnyabnormal: I noticed in an earlier post you said the iPhone was tough. That got me thinking. I'd be worried I'd brake it. I mean, every cell I've had in the past I beat the hell out of it. Chipped plastic, scratched. I see phones drop daily, phones where the outer screen is full of microdust. I've never dropped my iPod though, and I'd probably hope to treat an iPhone the same way. But with such a large glass screen, I could see one 4 foot fall off a table spelling death for an iPhone.

lafond66

How can it be called a "smartphone" if it's unable to multi-task? That being said, the iPhone's a pretty nifty device with a well-laid out GUI system.

ninjatales

@lafond66: Well, I've seen pictures and heard of people messing up a iPhone. Mine has survived some nasty falls. The strange part is, there isn't a scratch on it anywhere. It's almost unnatural. My other phones always got messed up so fast. I thought the iPhone's screen would be nasty by now, but if you angle it in the light, there's not a scratch to be seen. The only downside to a big screen is how easy it gets all greasy.

johnnyabnormal

iPhone... Smartphone.... I am missing something here?

Himanshu Jain

the report is off road..
I don't know how this report was conducted but I doubt it was conducted by activation, rather it was conducted by iphone sales, which most of them go out of country anyways. Wholesalers are the biggest iphone purchasers and main markets where iphones are heading to are Russia and China.

bgbs

I think your title is inaccurate as the Iphone is not available in Canada and may not be available in Mexico.

So at this point it is a ISA only product.

ttfn

Oldtechie

long live the uk

UK.Baby

I sell the iphone for o2 in the UK and in a month and a bit, we have only sold a little over 50 Iphones.
In the same time period, we have sold 77 N95s

The Iphone is perfect for the US market where you are used to paying for your phones to go on contract, but in the UK go on a 12month or 18month contract and you get a free phone.

Its going to need a price cut befor the Iphone starts selling in Europe.

I feel for you Americans, you are soo used to getting crapy phones and getting crewd over a two contract that one phone comes along and every body goes crazy.

In europe symbian rules and even in the UK the Nokia N95 last month sold its 1 millionth handset, take into condiderations that all contract phones in the UK are free and we get the latest and greatest.

I bet Giz to do the same comparisson in the UK or Europe.

Americans love american products, go outside america and with the exception of the Ipod and Microsoft the majority of Europeans hate American products.

Now bring out a 3G (95% UK coverage) Iphone with 16gb, video recording, mms, multiple text, GPS, HSDPA and FREE on 12 or 18 month contract like every phone in the UK then maybe the average UK consumer may start buying it

Not some rich individuals or apple funboys.

Comming to American in June W00t, hopefully by then then the £ will be worth tripple $...... you Americans with your week doller

UK.Baby

Of course the iPhone is a smartphone.

With 500MB of desktop-class UNIX OS X and a very fast CPU and Graphics accelerator and mutli-touch screen, the iPhone is considerably smarter than your average Windows Mobile, RIM or Symbian OS smartphone with their considerably smaller (40MBs or so), less capable operating systems. WM for example has a totally different much simpler (and far less robust) kernal to Windows XP, Symbian is just the old PSION OS scaled up and very scaley indeed etc.

For example, the iPhone is the first smartphone to be able to run Web 2.0 corporate apps such as SAP and the NetSuite CRM and ERP apps etc that choke the browsers on any WM, RIM or Symbian phone.

And don't tell me lack of an SDK means the iPhone isn't a smartphone as you'd then also have to class the Blackberry as a Dumbphone for the first 5 or so years it was on the market as RIM only released their SDK in the last year. And of course, the iPhone SDK will be here in Feb along with all of the Exchange synching and encryption you could desire.

(cont'd...)

mrrt7mrrt

Of course the iPhone is a smartphone.

With 500MB of desktop-class UNIX OS X and a very fast CPU and Graphics accelerator and mutli-touch screen, the iPhone is considerably smarter than your average Windows Mobile, RIM or Symbian OS smartphone with their considerably smaller (40MBs or so), less capable operating systems. WM for example has a totally different much simpler (and far less robust) kernal to Windows XP, Symbian is just the old PSION OS scaled up and very scaley indeed etc.

For example, the iPhone is the first smartphone to be able to run Web 2.0 corporate apps such as SAP and the NetSuite CRM and ERP apps etc that choke the browsers on any WM, RIM or Symbian phone.

And don't tell me lack of an SDK means the iPhone isn't a smartphone as you'd then also have to class the Blackberry as a Dumbphone for the first 5 or so years it was on the market as RIM only released their SDK in the last year. And of course, the iPhone SDK will be here in Feb along with all of the Exchange synching and encryption you could desire.

Then there is the little fact that the cost of the iPhone alone puts it bang smack in the middle of the smartphone market meaning you'd have to be crazy or desperately wanting to obfuscate the issue to argue it's marketshare figures should be compared to every crappy $0 Dumbphone out there.

Interestingly enough, if you do compare the iPhoe to the wider market, you discover Apple has already captured 3% of the overall US cellphone market meaning they have already tripled their stated goal of 1%. Quite amazing considering it is only available from 1 carrier in the US and at a considerably higher price than the majority of other phones out there.

Obviously we have still to see how Apple does in the wider world in the future, but that in no way detracts from this current amazing achievement.

-Mart

mrrt7mrrt

Wow, thats a surprising market share. I had no idea that things are so totally different in America.
In Europe Symbian rules, Windows Mobile has far less market share and Blackberry is virtually nonexistant just as Iphone.
BTW, Iphone isnt technically a Smartphone yet, since officially there are no third party apps for Iphone, hence Iphone is just another Feature Phone...

Graviticvortex

@UK.Baby:

Oh god, I know nobody will read this, but I just had to comment; this is such a gem!

"only sold a little over 50 Iphones.
In the same time period, we have sold 77 N95s"

Holy fuckin' anecdotal evidence! Great statistical integrity, too! Why don't you fookin' go to your nearby Apple Store and see what the iPhone-to-N95 sold ratio is there? I'm like almost literally ROFLing right now.

"you Americans with your week doller"

Holy shite, I'm really tempted to say "and you fuckin' Brits with your week spelling", but I know better than to make generalisations... er, generalizations.

Dearhaw

Symbian still has far greater marketshare. The catch is, its marketshare is with s40 on devices that you can't help but wonder if the color LCD really adds that much. Now talk s60 vs. other smartphone OSes, then you have a fair argument....

ShyGuy91284