@STEP666

oh and then you basically reinforce what i was saying in the first place by saying that on the iphone "browsing the web [is] less of a pain."

rlreif

@STEP666

actualy i was calling him a troll by saying that he either was a troll or an idiot... not everything is a matter of opinion in this world.... the grandparent poster was either 'talking out his ass' as someone else said, or he is simply flaming.... saying that opera mini is better/faster than safari, is like saying that a ford focus is better/faster than a BMW m5... its not a differing opinion, its just flat wrong

rlreif

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Marty_MacFly

Surprised no one has mentioned the fact that most of the legit "apps" on the iPhone are actually Websites...so anytime you do almost anything on an iPhone, you're "browsing the web", n'est pas?

strangepork

@rlreif: or he holds a different opinion to you.
Just because you believe something doesn't make it universally true, nor does it make anyone who holds a different opinion an idiot.


The answer has already been covered here: the iPhone is geared up towards web-browsing than most (all?) WM-based devices. Not just the unlimited data aspect but other points like a larger screen, which makes browsing the web less of a pain.
So whilst the speed at which it's surpassed WM-based devices is quite impressive, it was inevitable.

Step666

@MARM0LADE

seriously... do you flameboys just constantly troll the internet looking for any story on apple to start a new flame war??

get a life

i have to carry 2 phones.... an HTC tytn, with opera mini, and an iphone... i was a naysayer about the iphone originally, especially about its lack of 3g, but after using the iphone for a couple days, i made it my primary line, and made the 3g htc second string... they are both on ATT and for web browsing (as opposed to DL'ing large files) the htc is no faster, and the UI for safari blows opera away

opera mini is pretty good for winmo, but you are either a troll or an idiot if you say that it trumps safari....

rlreif

You shouldn't use your phone to work outside of work. It's bad for the soul.

senorbelly

The article also included a link to this YouTube video featuring Steve Ballmer from six months ago.

[www.youtube.com]

Marty_MacFly

@Wegmans: "How can that be? Think of how many WM phones have been around for years!"

As the article states,

"The WindowsCE platform - all of the Windows mobile platform devices put together - only managed 66% of iPhones market share. How many WinCE devices are out there? According to Gartner, MS and its partners shipped over three million Windows Mobile devices in Q1 2007. They've been selling WindowsCE devices since 1996 - over 10 years.

Obviously this doesn't translate to handset marketshare. We know there are much more than 20 million Windows Mobile devices out there. The reason that Apple's browser marketshare is higher while its unit sales are much lower is explained easily by the oft-touted Mobile Safari browser and unlimited AT&T data plan. No guilt, pleasurable, full-browser surfing.

It's not just just Windows Mobile that is getting killed by iPhone. PSP, Playstation and WebTV combined don't even come close. The Sidekick, also, only has 1/5 of the browser marketshare. Symbian? About 1/10th.

And it doesn't stop there. Desktop platforms are starting to come into the iPhone's blast radius. Windows 95 only has four times the marketshare as the iPhone. And Linux, just over five times (.57%). At this rate, the iPhone/iPod platform should be the third largest computing platform by the end of next year. Remember, the iPod touch is only three months old. Oh, and it is Christmas."

Marty_MacFly

Tells better? I have used an iphone, and you have never used Opera Mini 4, which again, trumps Safari.

What I mean is, I can put Opera Mini and get same same super-cool experince as iphone users. Yes it displays the whole page page and I can pan around with my finger, to where I want to zoom in, and so fourth. Almost identical to the iphone. All the while on my 1.8 MB/s HSDPA connection. I can visit 10 web pages in the time the iphone loads one with the same browsing experience.

marm0lade

and the fact that most users that dont hack, have to use the browser for any third party app (games, productivity and such. does that count too?

alukard

@marmlade

Spoken like someone who has never used an iPhone and talking out of his ass.

The user experience with browsing from an iPhone is just heads and tells better than anything else out there. The user experience for browsing from a blackberry and WM has traditionally be terrible. Why it took the iPhone to get this right I have no idea.

regexp

I call bullshit....

How can that be? Think of how many WM phones have been around for years! I know I have always had some form of Opera Mini... Is that why? How can there be more iPhones sold in 6 months than all Windows Mobile phones in what, 4 years?

Crazy stats! Also don't pick on me, just voicing my surprise!

Wegmans

Ohh and BTW. Opera mini 4 > Safari. Anyday.

marm0lade

@apt94jesse:

I was just about to hit on this. People who buy iphones are not buying them to accomplish anything besides experiencing a painfully slow internet connection and an "entertainment device" lacking basic features (like MMS).

People who buy WM phones buy them to get things done. Corporate email, blackberry service, VPN, editing docs, almost anything you can do on a desktop you can do on WM today. iphone, don't bother.

I would really like to see a statistic that shows the percentage of cellular data that comes from WM devices. I am willing to bet the iphone isn't even a contender.

marm0lade

When I used to have a wm5 smart phone it was painful to use the internet browser. Now with my iPhone it's easier than ever! /advert

Roflcopter_Down

It's probably because IPhone users are more likely to surf the internet, whereas WM mobile users are business oriented and predominantly use the mail app.

My Mom has a WM phone and she couldn't browse to a web page if I gave her $50. I'm betting there aren't too many iphone users like that.

apt94jesse

@ruggels: Yep.

Winmo browsers suck.

I'm not a rabid fanboy, I own a pocketPC and a Touch so I get to use both platforms regularly. The PocketPC wins as a PDA...but the touch is what I fire up when I need to browse a page but am too lazy to boot my laptop.

Isn't is surprising that a slower EDGE based device (which generated much whining and contention because it was EDGE) still manages to rack up more page views than faster 3G/EVDO devices?

honozooloo

It's because all the phone carriers charge about 3 times the price to search the internet unlimited with windows media devices, than on the i-phone.

ronreal

@Mandatory_Field: These results were tracked according to the device being used, not the browser.

Marty_MacFly

It's pretty easy, inf act, it's stupid easy to browse on the iPhone. It's the main feature I use that I never used before on any of my previous Blackberry/WM products.

ruggels

@MINI Driver: No, actually, It's because people on WM have a more open platform, and are using alternate browsers as well....

Mandatory_Field

WM? Whoa who cares about WM when Symbian and Linux rule the roost :p

Kaiser-Machead

It's because the iPhone only uses slow old EDGE, and WM Phones use super fast 3G...

Oh hold on, you'd expect WM to be thrashing iPhone Safari in that case...!

Must be because the web experience on WM sucks compared to Safari on the iPhone, and hence, even though there are presumably millions of old WM phones out there, their users gave up on trying to web-browse.

MINI Driver

Because WM doesnt have a built in youtube app. How the hell is business going to get done if you cant see a dog skateboard?

archercc

A bit off-topic, but it always seems to me that people on the internet live in some magical land that is just blanketed in coast-to-coast 3G coverage.

The iPhone has gotten away with 3G rather easily despite the naysayer's predicting doom with a lack of 3g because:

a) 3G coverage is mostly a joke when you take the whole of the United States into account. Mostly limited to a few major locales.
b) EDGE (especially compared to a weak/crap/nonexistent 3G connections) ended up not being all that bad (on average).
c) The battery life boost by avoiding current 3G chipsets is a lot more important to some people than having a 3G connection.

I guess what I'm saying is that Jobs ended up being right. And when the 3G version drops next year it will be double-effective as Apple will have the tons of momentum they have now (compared to if they had waited for acceptable 3G version for launch).

On topic: the best mobile internet interface has the most users. No surprise.

Padriac

Why should the iPhone version of the Mac OS be any different than the desktop version in that respect?

It's been a long-standing fact that a higher percentage of Mac users actually go online with their computer than do PC users. Back in the mid 90s until the turn of the century, it was a VERY pronounced difference... something like 85% or Mac users, and 45% of PC users.

It's the same thing with the mobile space now. It's a lot easier and more friendly to surf the web on an iPhone than it is on ANY windows Mobile device. You can expect to see Series 60 creeping up on WinMo too, I'd say.

When the 3G iPhone ships next year, along with 3rd-party apps, the device will be an utter powerhouse of mobile computing.

macserv

@strangepork: i did.

alukard

@marm0lade:

I run a company when on the road with my iPhone - you're comments are complete BS.

I used a couple of WM phones before the iPhone, and I get far more work done with the iPhone, in less time, and with less stress.

Sorry to bust your MS Corp FUD.

MINI Driver

@marm0lade: Nail on the head

I have done 6-8gb a month through my 8525. I don't think the iPhoners do that.

And most my internet is tethered and not on the phone itself.

DoPeY5007

As mentioned by some others, I, too, think it's mainly because most WiMo devices have no data flatrate, thus making it unappealing to browse the web with the device. With the iPhone, I suppose it's like "I got a flatrate, why should I not use it?" If I had a data flatrate for my WiMo phone, I'd probably use it a lot more for surfing.

In addition, I can imagine that as websurfing is probably more fun using the iPhone rather than a WiMo device, WiMo people on the go use their laptops while Apple fanboys are satisfied with their iPhones.

hanswurst0815

Its just depressing how the pocket pc lets you install anything you want and we don't have to wait until February to get a dev kit yet our browsers suck.

Opera Mini comes close... much closer to the whole mobile browsing thing but it still crashes and programs quit on its own (no exp with ipod touch yet). We don't have a decent browser that can handle web 2.0 type features yet. Only WM5+ users can get that youtube streaming, my 2003se can stream a slide show or download save and play in a separate media player but who the heck wants to download and save a youtube file just to go haha to it?

The community behind the hacking of the ipods seem nicer overall... more creative or something. Something about the apple marketing with the think different shines.

Im not sure if im a rare case, but the touch screen of my pocket pc sucks and is horrendously inaccurate. I plan to use that as an excuse to upgrade. Oh and I get about 1.5 hours of battery life if im lucky with my x50v I guess internal batteries of the phone/touch sucks for extended use.

awdark

Ow, so you fanboys bought the iPhone to surf the web. Then you really are .01 Especially those that use profanity in their posts to attempt to intimidate other posters. You are a sad .01 bunch for sure. Giz should dump every one of you.

Penchum

Not to jump off topic here, but can a WM user explain to me the "business" advantages of their device? I mean, I know the integrated email app and the mobile office suite, but are you really editing spreadsheets on your phone? If so, is it a good experience?

Seems to me that anyone in a pay grade that needs to edit spreadsheets on a phone could/would have a laptop to get the job done on a much more efficient interface.

Could be wrong though.

apt94jesse

@apt94jesse:

The only WM advantage I've seen is that the IT staff at XYZ corp see it as a no-brainer to 'allow' staff to use WM products, as it's a MS system.

They'll run a mile from anything Mac, until the CEO or CIO wants and iPhone, and then they mysteriously manage to make it all happen.

I've seen exactly that scenario play out - hilarious!

MINI Driver

@Penchum:

Grow up please!

Unless your post is a 'humorous' attempt to imitate a 5 year old, in which case LMAO

MINI Driver

not to mention the fact that all the publicity around the iphone has ment in my town all the apple iphones in stores are constantly in use most of that being teenagers going on porn sites!

billiebilo

Mini Driver - You are an idiot. "The only WM advantage I've seen is that the IT staff at XYZ corp see it as a no-brainer to 'allow' staff to use WM products, as it's a MS system.

They'll run a mile from anything Mac, until the CEO or CIO wants and iPhone, and then they mysteriously manage to make it all happen.

I've seen exactly that scenario play out - hilarious! "

Do you know why? Because the CEO bought the phone without consulting the IT department, and will remove anyone who tells him his new toy wont work right on the system. Like it or not, Exchange is the industry standard. IMAP is not. So right now, I have a man who controls my salary sending out badly typed confidential emails because he wants to be able to show off to his skiing buddies. WTF? The reason we run from anything Mac is that any Mac user who is not competent enough to set up and maintain his own equipment simply isnt going to understand the difficulties in maintaining their choice of hardware in our pre-existing system.

Yes, the iPhone has more browser market penetration right now. Pretty much because iPhone users spend more time looking at YouTube and checking out the latest Panther rumors than I do on my phone. I don't like surfing the web on my phone, and it has nothing to do with the UI. It has to do with the fact that I look like an idiot doing it in public, and regardless of how cool the device looks, that simply will not change.

Ellomdian

@ronreal: Yep, I gave up on the 30-40 bucks a month for piss poor browsing experience. When I move to Helio next month and the data is included, I imagine that I will use data services quite a bit more.

Convictus

@Ellomdian:

Thanks for your kind words.

I've always found that helping the people who pay your salary to be a great way of staying employed.

The reason they employee IT staff is to assist them in running a business and making money - not so that those staff can in some way belittle them for not being techs.

Interesting approach anyway - best of luck with it!

MINI Driver

I don't want to here any talk about market share until you beat Windows ME. Seriously ME... people still use that? WOW

fragglepac

All I know is that when I had Windows CE devices I felt less inclined to browse the internet with them. I'd prefer to boot up my laptop instead.

With the iPhone, I enjoy the surf experience, with the touch magnification and scrolling, active links, you tube player, etc. and it's instant on. So when I have certain house guests over (and you know who you are) that constantly argue with me , it's quick and easy to pull out my iPhone and Google my way to victory. The coolest feature of the iPhone IMO.

OldSchoolGadgetLover

@marm0lade:

WM experience - have that, not in question

Visual VM - you're having to go outside of your device for a 3rd party app - and it's only a Beta!!

Never seen a video out on either iPaq Phones or my MDA - unless of course I buy a 3rd party jacket for the iPaq, to go with my extended battery etc etc

The issue with xls / word has never been keyboard, it's the small screen size - but I expect your WM device has a 21" pull out screen as well?

No UI on any WM device even compares to the multi-touch UI on iPhone - don't even try and BS that one - once you've actually used one, you never want to go back to the clunky old WM way.

And you never actually covered the completely appalling battery life on WM devices Vs iPhone - when you're in business, it pays to be able to use your device extensively all day long

MINI Driver

@MINI Driver:

3 WM Phone??? Congrats!!!

Experience? You have no idea what you are talking about.

Visual VM? Yea got that too. Grand Central by Google.

So the iphone has a built in projector? They should really advertise that more. If you mean that you can hook it up to a projector, ya, I can do that too.

Since my phone has a full QWERTY keyboard, generating MS docs on the fly is quite painless. WM6 is very polished, along with Mobile Office.

Finally, to strike down your last weak point, the UI on a WM device is completely customizable (unlike anything on the iphony). I have tweaked my today screen to make is quite finger friendly. Using it in the car is effortless. AND, my phone has a GPS receiver built in, I don't have to tell it where I am to get directions. If I miss a turn, it corrects my route for me on the fly. iphone users, dream on.

Ohhhh the iphone has some catching up to do.

marm0lade

@marm0lade:

Interesting - I've actually had 3 WM PDAs before the iPhone, so my comments are based on my actual experience as a business user.

You are quoting marketing blurb, and passing it off as experience - and that's not adding anything useful to the discussion.

I get my exchange Email on my iPhone with zero issues - my IT staff didn't even need to change the Exchange set-up we already had.

I have visual voicemail which means that I can identify callers that have left messages, prioritize, and reach the critical ones first - That single feature makes the iPhone a killer business tool.

I can open and project MS Office docs in meetings, all from my iPhone - that again is a killer business app.

Generating xls and word docs on the road on a phone has never been a business requirement for me - and even though it's 'possible' in WM, the experience sucks so badly that it's useless.

Finally, the UI on the iPhone makes it easy to drive without a damn stylus that always gets lost down the side of the seat in my car, and the battery life on the iPhone far out strips the WM units, leaving me working all day long.

Oh, and I don't have to reboot 4 times a day to keep the iPhone running...

MINI Driver

"Windows 95 only has four times the marketshare as the iPhone." Wow, you Apple fanboys must be proud you only have 1/4 the Internet web site hit rate of Windows 95. I wonder how the iPhones web surfing market share compares to the Commodore 64 or TRS 80. I bet it blows it out of the water. WOO HOO.

Perhaps, most mobile phone users don't want to use the Internet on their mobile phone. Even if they were running a better browser on it. Or that many mobile phone users won't pay the ridiculous data rate to surf on their phones. Naw, couldn't be that, it has to be that Safari is so amazing and the iPhone is just killer.

My favorite thing in this "article" is how web site hit statistics are being used to sound like market share.

Nyle

@MINI Driver:

Please, do tell how you get "more work done" with your iphone. You cannot edit docs (you can't even copy and paste), and you cannot access the internet as fast as I can. You cannot access exchange email (the gold standard). Nothing productive can really be done with an iphone, besides, as I mentioned, a painfully slow internet experience. To insinuate that you can get more work done on and iphone than a WM phone really displays your ignorance. I think even most apple fan boys would agree.

marm0lade

@marm0lade:

'It's really not even a competition.'

Agreed - just based on the stats iPhone users are already far more web enabled than their WM counterparts.

Or do you have a theory as to how they 'fixed' those numbers as well?

MINI Driver

Gmail was in beta for how many years? I'm sure you think its sucked the whole time too. Beta != poor concerning google services.

I don't need video out. Many current and many upcoming projectors support wireless image transferring protocols.

The iphone screen is what? Less than 2 inches bigger? Geez thats a lot. I-mate has matched apple in screen size and resolution. You can expect everyone else to follow suit.

I have used an iphone and the multi touch is nice, but still doesnt take the place of tactile feedback for me. A lot of developers for WM are taking hints from some of the good features of multi touch and putting them in WM (like opera mini). I get the best of both worlds.

Battery life? Seriously? Its obvious you havent used a WM device for any extended periods of time in a while. I can go 3+ days on one charge depending on how much I use HSDPA and the GPS. Its a non issue.

The only thing I would currently take from the iphone and put into my phone is the screen. Everything else my phone has trumped. High speed internet. Your glorified VVM. Safari has been duped by opera. Unrestricted bluetooth. Built in GPS. I can install ANY app I want. That means FULL customization of my device. The iphone is locked up tighter than fort knoxs. If you want to do anything other than what apple tells you, you have to void your warranty and risk bricking your phone. Have fun with that.

It's really not even a competition.

marm0lade

@marm0lade:

Yet with all the cr@p thrown at the EDGE implementation - iPhone still surpassed Windows CE in just a few short months for HTTP.

If speed were to be an issue, it would most certainly have been seen with HTTP - and that clearly hasn't stopped iPhone from overtaking WCE (and we assume 3G) devices - so where does that leave your argument?

We can all hypothesize as much as we like about total data use from iPhone Vs WCE - but we have no stats to make a case either way.

The 3G 'issue' appears not to have had the impact you're eluding to - again, more marketing FUD

MINI Driver

I'll just quote one of my previous posts since you have come back to this:

"I would really like to see a statistic that shows the percentage of cellular data that comes from WM devices. I am willing to bet the iphone isn't even a contender."

So the browser market share is higher than windows. OOOOOOO. Big deal. That doesn't mean they fare better for being web enabled. You continuously ignore that fact that your internet connection on EDGE is SLOOOOW. I would say anyone with a 3G connection fares a lot better. A web browser isn't all there is to being "web enabled"

marm0lade

Speed is an issue, if it wasn't we should all just go back to dial up. And no, you wouldn't necessarily see it with HTTP. As stated before there is more to your "web experience" than http. Streaming video, audio, XM radio, emailing large file attachments, VPN, downloading content, the list goes on. These things are either:

a. not possible on iphone or
b. the connection speed is too slow to make it useful or enjoyable

And there are no stats to back up my claim that WM owns apple in total cellular data but if you can't use common sense to figure out that WM would be leading for the above 2 reasons you are just being ignorant or cannot think rationally.

You can throw this cute "victory" for apple in WM user's faces all you want, but just remember, its still just a number. Microsoft still dominates Apple in desktop market share, so MS MUST provide a better user experience, since they are leading the numbers game? Right? Right? Ya, watch how fast you change your little song and dance.

Move along.

marm0lade

@MINI Driver:

It will do what you need it to, which isnt much.

No diversion, my argument about the desktop just proves that this number regarding httc traffic means nothing. Apple users finally have a number thats bigger than MS's so they think this means its "better". Sadly, it not. I have no doubt you think (foolishly) OSX is a better desktop OS, but you can't go running your mouth in the same way bc the numbers don't back it up.

"I'm sure your 3G experience is wonderful - but as iPhone sales have proved, a large number of phone users don't see that as a deal breaker."

That is pure speculation, as is mine about WM devices still accounting for most cellular data, only I backed my speculation up with an explanation. No such from you. I think the reason iphone sales have been so good is bc teens and twenty-somethings are attracted to its slick looks and the "apple" name. Nothing more.

And as I have stated numerous times, the user experience is right there on WM too. Everything that can be done on the iphone, I can also do. Also, its not much of a user experience when it takes the iphone a full minute to load ONE web page, as proven by test here at the giz.

If you don't want to move along please come up with something new instead or re-hashing every weak point you have.

marm0lade

@marm0lade:

Here we go again - you don't use an iPhone every day, so you're putting out conjecture as fact.

You insist on telling me it won't do what I need it to do, even though I'm using one, can compare it to my WM phones, and can share that positive experience.

And resorting to the old 'MS dominates the desktop' argument is just a diversionary tactic to get away from the facts in the original post.

I'm sure your 3G experience is wonderful - but as iPhone sales have proved, a large number of phone users don't see that as a deal breaker.

Speeds and feeds is not where it's at - it's all about the user experience, and that's all Apple right now.

That's why iPhone was the 4th best selling cellphone in the US by July, and will overtake the #1 (RAZR) within three months (according to research firm Strategy Analytics)

And please don't assume that you're the forum police and can tell people to 'move along'

MINI Driver

@marm0lade:

I just love people telling me how I use my iPhone - amazing!

Here's some numbers for you:

90 Percent of Handset Owners Rate Apple iPhone Experience Superior...

[www.strategyanalytics.net]

""An overwhelming 90 percent of respondents gave the iPhone higher marks than their own handset" - read the report, it's factual.

And as for the teens and twenty-somethings...

"nearly 25 percent were between 50-60 years old, this demonstrates that the device attracts buyers across a broad age spectrum," David Kerr, Vice President of the Strategy Analytics Global Wireless Practice.

And regarding whether 3G is a deal breaker...

[www.rcrnews.com]

Apple's sold over 1.325 million of the devices since the iPhone shipped in the US alone.

That makes it the largest selling phone for AT&T and 4th in the US marketplace in just 3 months - if 3G was an issue for these people, then they wouldn't have bought the iPhone.

Clearly when Joe Public is asked about the iPhone Vs A N Other Phone, the overwhelming response was that the iPhone was a better experience - and the sales to date absolutely back that up.

I've covered the stats from the original post - sales data that's in the public domain - independent tests on iPhone UI Vs other phones - oh, and my own experience of WM and iPhone platforms.

You continue to rehash the old 3G FUD...

MINI Driver

@MINI Driver:

And btw, if you wanna play the ratings game, cnet, one of the biggest most influential electronics reviewing organizations (I think you have heard of them) rates:

iphone cnet: 8.0/10
iphone user rating: 7.2/10
[reviews.cnet.com]

ATT Tilt cnet: 8.3/10
ATT Tilt user rating: 7.9/10
[reviews.cnet.com]

THERE GOES THAT ARGUMENT!!!!!

marm0lade

I'm not saying what the iphone does, it doesn't do well, bc it does. Obviously people are going to be pleased with a device that works how its supposed to.

The problem is, and I say AGAIN, the iphone doesnt do much. You can: make calls, watch movies (up to 16GBs worth, yawn), listen to and purchase music, browse the web, and use a map program that wishes it had GPS....

they slapped on a nice screen and its supposed to be "revolutionary"? That feature set is hardly revolutionary. Everything the iphone can do, sans multi touch, has been done, and done better.

IE. MMS, copy and paste, 3G, fully enabled bluetooth, 3rd party apps, expandable memory, etc.

All things the iphone lacks. Not very impressive.

I couldn't care less what sales numbers say. You are trying to argue that high sales numbers = quality product.

If that's the case you would agree that windows XP is the greatest operating system ever conceived, right? If you can agree to that I can stop this arguement right now....ya, didn't think so.

Sales figures mean, exactly, sh!t.

marm0lade

This thread is awesome. That is all.

strangepork

@marm0lade:

'Sales figures mean, exactly, sh!t.'

Now that's the funniest thing you've said to date LMFAO!

If that were the case, then we'd have no gadgets to review, period!

You are confusing your personal agenda and feelings with facts.

Even the ratings you post show a very high satisfaction rating with the iPhone - and the sales figures show that iPhone outsold AT&T's Tilt from the get-go.

Add to that, you're confusing a professional survey of people asking what they think of their current phone compared to iPhone, with:

a) A single writers review of an iPhone

b) An online rating system where anyone, even people who have never seen/owned an iPhone, can rate them - there are zero controls to stop vote rigging.

So on one side we have a professional survey, focussed on the UI and it's impact on potential iPhone buyers.

And on the other, we have Joe Anyone logging on to CNET and rating the product any way he feels, even if he's never touched one. And it still gets a good score!!! LMAO

Yep, that's a quality comparison right there - genius...

Clearly all of the 'features' you tout for your WM phone haven't prevented people from choosing iPhone over a WM phone - the public has chosen.

The stats back it up - and fighting the numbers seems somewhat pointless.

It's clear from this and other posts that you hate Apple and their products - but trying to dis the stats based on your opinions.. Well, others can make up their own minds.

MINI Driver

I have no hate for apple. I own a first gen-nano. I have a problem with pompous, ignorant apple users, such as yourself. And I could give 2 shits what your "survey" says, anyone could take that survey as well. I point to the most respected electronics review group rating a WM phone ABOVE your pathetic iphone and you brush it off for your survey, which has no more or less credibility. Yes the iphone rated good on cnet, but the latest WM phone (which I own) did better.

Once again, if sales volume = quality, just admit that Windows XP is the greatest operating system ever, if not shut your mouth and stop being a hypocrite.

marm0lade

@marm0lade:

You see, when you stoop to name calling, you know you've lost all credibility.

MINI Driver

Name calling? Aww you don't like being called a hypocrite? Or are you STILL avoiding my question?

marm0lade

@marm0lade:

Actually it's all the other name calling that brings you down - coupled with your inability to see that you love of your WM phone can't negate or dubunk the numbers presented on iPhone browser usage, market share, UI acceptance, user demographic, etc etc etc..

All that and your mantra:

'Windows XP is the greatest operating system ever'.

Which is just bleepin' funny, and has absolutely nothing to do with iPhone being at 0.1% or the browser market.

ROTFALMFAO

The only person saying that 'volume = quality' is you - go back and re-read the posts.

MINI Driver

Can you even comprehend what you read? YOU are equating volume with quantity -

here: "Apple's sold over 1.325 million of the devices since the iPhone shipped in the US alone.

That makes it the largest selling phone for AT&T and 4th in the US marketplace in just 3 months - if 3G was an issue for these people, then they wouldn't have bought the iPhone."

and here: "Speeds and feeds is not where it's at - it's all about the user experience, and that's all Apple right now.

That's why iPhone was the 4th best selling cellphone in the US by July, and will overtake the #1 (RAZR) within three months (according to research firm Strategy Analytics)"

I could look up more of your moronic posts but I'll stop and ridicule the 2nd one.

You said, and these are YOUR WORDS BUD:

"it's all about the user experience, and that's all Apple right now.

That's why iPhone was the 4th best selling cellphone in the US by July"

Right there YOU, equated volume with quality, NOT ME. Is this simple enough for you to understand or do I need to break it down farther.?

YOU said the iphone is selling so well bc the user experience is SOOOO GOOD (gag). So using your same retarded logic, why isn't apple's desktop OS selling as well as windows? I mean the mobile is supposed to be an extension of the desktop. And certainly if apple provides a better user experience they would sell more desktops, using YOUR logic.

Wait, that's right, it has nothing to do with sales. You are still hypocritical.

Also ROTFALMFAO at your elementary level of comprehension.

marm0lade

@marm0lade:

That's not correct - you applying your own statement to my statements - pure and simple.

Then you keep trying to drag the conversation into a desktop OS war - which has nothing what so ever to do with the original post.

You appear to be trying to relate the volume of sales for XP with the volume of sales for iPhone, and infer some sort of link regarding 'quality'.

These items are not connected, and have absolutely nothing to do with the iPhone reaching 0.1% of the browser penetration, or it's market position, or it's sales to date.

I'll add moron to your list of verbal transgressions - the list is getting pretty long, but you could always go for some racial slurs next, or maybe throw in some questions about sexual preference or religion?

MINI Driver

@hanswurst0815:

Has mobilebitching.com been taken?

MINI Driver

Maybe you two should just start your own blog? I'd read it for sure!

hanswurst0815

@marm0lade:

And in making this leap of 'logic' you are ignoring 20+ years of desktop development, and sales.

That's simply a ridiculous concept - no one else is going there with you - you've failed.

You set off at the start to try and prove the iPhone wasn't good for business users, and failed.

Then you tried to prove that lack of 3G was an iPhone killer, and failed.

Then you tried to tell us that only kids bought iPhones, and failed.

Then you told us that sales figures didn't mean sh!t - and failed.

You tried to debunk multiple published iPhone surveys - and failed.

Then you tried to equate user experience and sales to volume = quality - and failed.

Then you tried to imply that the sales of XP and iPhone must mean that they were in some way linked as 'quality' items - and failed.

In the end you failed to deliver any arguments to the point of the original post, and failed to avoid stooping into name calling when things got a little to close for comfort.

But we all understand that you absolutely, positively, love your WM phone.

MINI Driver

Its the concepts that are connected, that is what you cannot grasp. I am applying YOUR logic to a different subject to show how you are being a hypocrite. The logic is fine when it applies favorably for you, but you ignore and pathetically try to discredit it when it is unfavorable.

And I said your posts are moronic, which I guess would imply you are as well, if you want to take it that way.

Also, you missed retard.

marm0lade

@MINI Driver:

No, but minidrivershavelimpwrists.com is available.

Ohh please don't cry after that insult. Its a joke. Lighten up, bud.

marm0lade

@MINI Driver:

"You set off at the start to try and prove the iPhone wasn't good for business users, and failed."

-No I didn't. No native exchange support. No blackberry connect. No doc editing. No terminal services / VPN. It will work for business, but there are other devices much better equipped.

"Then you tried to tell us that only kids bought iPhones, and failed."

-No. I didn't. I NEVER said kids. I said teens and twenty-somethings. Learn to read.

"Then you told us that sales figures didn't mean sh!t - and failed."

-Nope, didn't fail. As you yourself will attest to OSX vs XP, higher sales do not always mean higher quality.

"You tried to debunk multiple published iPhone surveys - and failed."

-Nope, didn't fail. I pointed you to CNET who rates the iphone below the latest WM phone.

"Then you tried to equate user experience and sales to volume = quality - and failed."

-No. YOU equated user experience to sales volume = quality. I asked why this doesn't apply to apple's other products. You ignored it.

"Then you tried to imply that the sales of XP and iPhone must mean that they were in some way linked as 'quality' items - and failed."

-Again, no. You linked sales volume with a "quality user experience". And again, I applied this logic to another one of apple's product and asked why it doesn't apply there.

"In the end you failed to deliver any arguments to the point of the original post, and failed to avoid stooping into name calling when things got a little to close for comfort."

Ummm, I had the post which YOU replied to. YOU have failed to provide any arguments relative to MY original post. I ridiculed you posts, not you personally. Things are never too close for comfort on the interwebs. But to appease your claim - yea, you're an idiot.

"But we all understand that you absolutely, positively, love your WM phone."

-Its not hard to love a superior product.

YOU have failed. Failed to comprehend or understand anything I have argued, and fail at being able to have a cohesive argument. No really, you fail.

marm0lade

@marm0lade:

No really - as anyone else on the planet will happily tell you - Using the iPhone is such a more pleasant experience than using a WM browser, that the difference in browser usage statistics can be explained by that alone - even though the iPhone has only been out 4 months, and there are historically many more WM devices out there.

And all of your twisted, BS, doublespeak doesn't alter a single statistic.

MINI Driver

@MINI Driver:

Finally we are back to a civilized discussion.

"as anyone else on the planet will happily tell you"

No, not people who have used an iphone and decided not to buy, such as myself. I have used an iphone, numerous times, and it was a "pleasant experience", but that was not enough to justify all it slacks. To say that the so called "pleasant experience" accounts solely for its success is pure speculation, and an ignorant well. You know very well more goes into a decision to purchase something than just considering the UI. Stop being naive.

I speculate a big part of its success is the lowered price, brand name, slick looks, and integrated ipod.

I'm not trying to alter any stats. Or should I say stat, since you only have one. The iphone still isn't the best selling phone or mobile OS. To say the iphone's ONE stat, browser share, is due a "more pleasant experience" really is pure ignorance, on your part.

marm0lade

@marm0lade:

Sorry, should have qualified that statement - anyone on the planet that isn't a rabid anti-Apple Bill Boy.

Since more people in the US have been buying the iPhone than any other WM device, since it's launch - there are clearly over 1.4 Million people that don't share your Microwellian viewpoint.

With the launch in Europe already underway, we can all sit back and watch the actual numbers come in - without being clouded by any double speak or bias.

Time will tell - and we'll see if your attempt to tell people what they need from a phone has any effect what so ever.

If like me, they have had a highly unpleasant experience with WM phones, I'd expect your doublethink, propaganda, misinformation, denial of truth, and manipulation of the past to have no effect on the success of the iPhone.

People will make their own choices, and so far Apple have been the beneficiary.

Best of luck with your campaign.

MINI Driver

@marm0lade:

Hey, I gave MS my money for years with WM phones - there was little or no competition, so I had no choice.

Now I have a choice, and a good one at that, I chose iPhone.

Looks like a lot of people are doing the same - and they really don't give a sweaty Ballmer about your attempts to link iPhone sales to XP - or any other Windows Vs Apple scenario.

Get over it - you're trying to draw conclusions that just aren't there to be drawn.

Choice is great, and the iPhone sales numbers are proving that as fact.

MINI Driver

Ohh so now there are "rabid anti-apple bill boys"? Not so much. Just people who haven't fallen into the hype of apple since the ipod exploded. I think it still holds much more true that there are people, especially you, who are anti-anything-that-isn't-apple and blindly follow whatever mr steve blow-jobs says. That's the rep apple fan bois have always had, and you MORE that adequately back that up.

And chill out on the 1984 references. Now one is double speaking here. You just don't like me applying your reasoning to apple's other products and asking why it doesn't hold true. I think you might have a more than appropriate relationship with that novel.

I will be more than happy to watch the numbers come in from europe. It doesn't mean anything if you don't have the number of WM phones to compare it to, which you don't. (pssst, it will take YEARS for the iphone to catch up).

marm0lade

@marm0lade:

And as I've stated many times, your attempt to bridge this logic is totally bogus.

You're trying to relate a new product sale and it's success, to a 20+ year old industry, and the market distribution of desktop OS that's developed over that time.

Interesting idea, but the logic for one doesn't relate to the other in the way you're trying to suggest.

You're flogging a dead horse.

If you want me to comment on XP directly, I'd say it's better than Vista, but looks very aged compared to OS X.

It's historical inertia has it out there in huge numbers - and that's effecting the roll out of Vista in a huge way.

Is it better than another OS - we'll that's a personal opinion.

MINI Driver

Once AGAIN, I never tried to link iphone sales to XP sales. I asked why your logic explaining iphones sales do not apply to another apple product.

You really don;t understand do you?

marm0lade

We finally agree! Personal opinion. If only you felt that way about the iphone vs WM.

marm0lade

@marm0lade:

In the case of WM and iPhone, I have used both and have shared by observations as a business user

MINI Driver