i have 31 PSP games to my 23 DS games. I love my DS but love my PSP a little bit more.

The art work is cool BTW

resetbutton

@EMoShunz: Art was by Jesus Diaz. And yes, I think he did an awesome job, too.

Mark Wilson

@EMoShunz: btw, fantastic graphic for the article!

EMoShunz

Great article. I'm definitely a casual gamer: the only gaming device I own is a DS Lite and I love it, especially when I'm on business trips. It has definitely got me thinking about getting a Wii if I can find one.

GeoffreyM

i agree that the psp will never have total sales ass high as the ds, but eventually with market saturation i think it will consistently sell more per week. just too much of a gap in total sales to overcome, and by the time it gets anywhere close, there will be new systems all around.

nice rebutting article. only a pinch if any of fanboism. (not sarcasm)

EMoShunz

@Kaneda: ZuneBox PLEASE!!

kavendano14

I enjoy my PSP when I get around to actually playing games (not a gamer), but Nintendo has always had more sheer fun in their games, great for a casual gamer like myself.

gokor

Ok, I think we skipped a major difference between PSP and DS which goes back to differences in Sony and Nintendo

Nintendo has a large number of 1st party series to put on the DS, thus fans of the series will have a reason to purchase it when those games are released on DS.

Sony has few (if any) 1st party series to put on anything, and being so dependant on 3rd party software to release on their system can hurt them. This uncertanty can prevent people from purchasing the system.

jaxomzero

Thanks Mark!

dead_red_eyes

Very many games? The psp and ds library have almost the exact same library count AND good games on both are almost tied as well (psp has more if you go by metacritic)

I won't deny its popularity or creative approach to gaming though, and thats why i have one too.

Zootch

Come on. The PSP is still doing a lot better than most of us expected. Of course it's never gonna overtake the DS. Still, it's probably doing way better than whatever portable console Microsoft would have if they made one! I hope...

Kaneda

much needed and Zelda artwork FTW!

invaderbacca

Wait... so you're saying there's a Sony gaming system out there that doesn't have very many games but has decent multimedia capability... where have I heard this before?

rususeruru

Thank you VERY much Mark.

Furious_Liver

LOL at the title. So true. Even more LOL at the first sentence. Oh yea pwnd..

Nice Article btw.

kumuasata

Have you guys looked at the sales of the DS software in Japan? [vgchartz.com]
Total: DS 84 million PSP 13.2 million.
Last week: DS 1.1 million PSP 36,000
That is why developers love making games for the DS. It sells. The PSP is a high risk project. The system with games will sell.

Astrodust

"Nintendo has the one-two brand punch of Wii,"

Thats not true .... You guys posted that the PS3 was outselling the Wii for a while now... this article is so contradictory.

ffmusicdj

@PuckOTG22: awesome post.
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I mentioned this on another forum but...I wasn't going to support the consoles this gen until I saw the final version of the Wii. I was going to live out the rest of my gamer days on the portables, mainly DS. I was able to get a PS3 and a 360 for free so my intentions changed a bit but my love still goes to the DS first. It truly is something different and offers a great gaming experience for the casual fan and the hardcore alike...from Tetris to Metroid Prime Hunters...to Meteos to Castlevania...to Ninja Gaiden to Sims. It's a pure gaming experience for people on the go.

PSP is a good portable and I do own one but it tries to be too many things and suffers for it. I like the screen on the PSP but I'd never watch a movie on it. It's awesome that it can play music too but I'd never use a PSP for that because it's too damn big and cumbersome for MP3 playback. I'd never surf the web with it because using the analog number is horrible for navigation. Then we have the load time issue, the cheap construction of UMDs and the extra cash it costs to get a decent memstick (I would have preferred SD card personally)PSPslim addresses many of these issues but it's too late when the competition is over 15 million units ahead of Sony. The core of the problem are games. PSP doesn't have a unique killer app...period. Lumines? not when you can get that on PS2 and Live. Wipeout? It's good but not what I'd call a system seller. The DS library has too many killer apps and Sony should have known the jig was up when Mario Kart and Animal Crossing on DS destroyed Gran Theft Auto and Madden PSP in sales.

DS wins that battle. More features doesn't take away from fact that PSP suffers because the gaming experience isn't the best it could be. Jack of all trades master of none tech.

Striderhayasa

@techni: Oooh, one week. How, irrelevant.

Well, considering that it sold more in one week than any of the home consoles do in the average month, it's a pretty big deal. Especially when Jason Chen presented the fact that the PSP slightly outsold the DS last month as evidence of the DS' waning popularity.

Doomstalk

@invictus: It's also the truth. There's just no way the PSP is ever going to outsell the DS.

Doomstalk

@Mark Wilson: We miss you at Kotaku Tower. :(

Doomstalk

@blazedshaggy:

who cares, just a bunch of fanboys that really need to give it up. Go adopt a dog or something.....

Well said!

EnigmaNemesis

Thanks Mark that original article was nonsense. Good to see some common sense back on the front. Also... do you know if I'll be able to get another DS when Dragon Quest arrives...no stop laughing, I'm serious...really, I want to get a Japanese DS when Dragon Quest arrives...STOP laughing dude...I know they're going to be available....right...RIGHT?!

Striderhayasa

who cares, just a bunch of fanboys that really need to give it up. Go adopt a dog or something.....

blazedshaggy

"The DS just had the most successful week in history"

Oooh, one week. How, irrelevant.

"The PSP doesn't offer an alternative experience"

Yeah it does. It gives me what no other handheld can. Hence why I love it more than the DS. The DS doesn't offer an alternative experience. My Tapwave Zodiac/Palmpilot and UMPCs give me the same "Experience" the DS does

"The DS supports more than just the DS through backward compatibility."

So does the PSP. Sony offers PS1 games for it. Plus hacked PSPs (which are oh so easy to do) Play just about every console from before the PS2 except for the Saturn

"The casual market is the real deal"

No. God no. The casual market will lead to the downfall of the industry.

techni

@Zootch: Too many of the psp games are ps2 recoocks, and too many of them are mainstream. If youre an older gamer (by which i mean you played games for more than 1 or 2 generations) most psp games will be boring to you (apart from your genre of choice). Having said that - the psp is finally getting some games that i would love to play and im considering buying one :)

Lajcik

One of the things people forget about are the people who used to be 'gamers' when they were growing up. I used to love the original NES growing up in the early 80's. I had the original one when it first came out - I saved up my money from my allowances and bought one - with the Super Mario Bros/Duck Hunt combo. I loved that thing and played it even through college. Loved Battletoads, Contra -- all those great games. But, now I'm 30 and since college I really hadn't played may video games -- heck, I didn't in college either really - just found my nintendo in the basement and brought it to school and played it when I was bored. The point in all this....The "New Super Mario Bros" came out - it looked sort of like I remembered it - a mix of some of my favorite Mario games -- and I *HAD* to have a DS. And then found out they had Tetris for it too. So I got that as well. There are a lot of 'us' out there I think that are nostalgic for familar but new game play. Do you think I'll get the new Contra game? Probably. New Zelda? Maybe. These games will continue to attract the nostalgic and casual gamers. I wll never ben one of those online gamers playing these massive online universes for hours, days, weeks, months and years on end. That's just not me. But I do love playing my DS and play it ever day. The PSP just doesn't appeal to everyone -- and I think thats kind of where the author of the article was going. This system can appeal to a wide range of people. The PSP is more of the hard-core gamer. Its basically a portable playstation. Exactly what they say it is. The DS is a different experience from the Wii which is a different experience from the Gamecube, which is different than the N-64 which is different from the super nintendo which is different from the original nintendo. Nintendo has been good about making each experience different from the last. The PSP experience isn't signifcantly different than the PS2 or PS3 experience.

PuckOTG22

Big deal. Wii and DS sell more then respective competitors. As platforms they offer much less. Just because something is popular doesn't mean it has better features. Thats like saying because more people follow Paris Hilton that she is a better actor then Hilary Swank.

PSP lacks one thing the DS does, touch screen. What does the DS lack that the PSP has?, the list is long. I like my DS, for brain training 1 and 2 and Flash Focus. I bought the mario game and didnt bother finishing every level or collect every coin.

With the new PS store features and the existing line up of online available games it makes it much more attractive not having to travel to malls to purchase games. PSP gets much more attention then the DS does for me. I adore bringing it to friends houses to play new albums that I bought and ripped.

This is just sensationalism intended for website hits, hence the 'NEVER, EVER' that jumps out at the reader, and should have been included along with the original article as a counter-point. Way to comment on your own stories giz, no wonder I haven't been here in awhile.

invictus

@jaxomzero: So to combine your argument with another common one, DS will win because people will buy it just for Nintendo games, but the Wii will lose because people will buy it just for Nintendo games.
BTW, Jaxom? Pern much?

Torgen

I hate to be a fanboy, but
When i owned my psp, I loved the hackability of it. I was able to play ANY game from the atari to N64 and ps2. It was pretty fun showing off when playing super mario 64 on an evil sony device. The shear simplicity of homebrew on the psp is its main (only?) draw. Oh and running a game from the mem stick may have something to do with low game sales.

hatchetman751

The PSP could overtake the DS, but they'd have to release about 20 more sequels to FFVII to help push hardware sales.

vpc

@weatherman:

What that guy said. Way better than how I put it. :D

CaptLtrl

PSP will never reach the level of the DS Lite. I just bought one a few weeks ago. The DS lead is so far out there no one will catch it.

BostonPimpDaddy

@rususeruru: LOL

Petezah

I think it would be nearly the same as comparing the PS3 and the Wii (if the PS3's library was as large as the PSP's). Nintendo will always have an upper hand due to it's innovative control mechanism and accessibility. All those mainstay almost household name series like the Legend of Zelda and Mario keep people coming back too.

I definitely think that the PSP is the better system, and I personally couldn't live without it, but the DS appeals to a much broader array of gamers.

CaptLtrl

Oh, and Mark failed to take into account the new PS1 download store for the PSP. That's your backwards compatibility on steroids.

weatherman

Even though I own both consoles I find the PSP more enjoyable simply because the DS is aimed more towards children and casual players so, yes the DS will consistently outsell the PSP mainly because it's more of a "toy" while the PSP is a "game system". Every kid has a DS but not every parent would trust a PSP to their kid.

otarumx

I have both systems and enjoyed reading both arguments. Mark makes a more compelling overall argument, with the icing on the cake being the remark about casual gaming. I believe that the PSP will be more successful amongst people who define themselves as gamers, but the way that Nintendo is broadening the market, there's no way that Sony will catch up. Unless casual gaming is just a fad.

I do take exception with several of Mark's arguments though: first, yes it's true that DS games sell better than PSP games, but I don't think that they're actually better. I think the games that are in the 100 top games of all time are benefiting from a Nintendo "halo effect." Nintendogs and Advance Wars Dual Strike may be fine games, but they're not top-100 games, and the only reason they're there is that they were early launches for the console and offered something worth playing. Look back on some of the early successes of any console and you'll find that they don't stand the test of time. And that's particularly true with DS games because what seems "cute" and "innovative" at first quickly becomes stale.

Second, I do think that the PSP offers an alternative experience in its media and wireless features that far outclass the DS. So in that category I rate it an apples-to-oranges comparison that I call a draw, but that really depends on the individual user's preferences.

Finally, yes casual gaming is definitely a trend right now. But the broader consumer "casual gamer" market is likely to be more capricious. The PSP gamers are going to be the more dedicated, and that may turn into a more consistent market for later consoles and more games.

The PSP has definitely taken awhile to get its legs, but I think this is going to be the season of the PSP and we'll have to see where we stand a year from now. Jason's right; the PSP is on the upswing and it may very well give the DS a run for its money.

weatherman

I like both. There's no way in hell the PSP will pass the DS, but their games are most definitely not of the same breed. I like the picture up there, but I'm not going to lie, I was extremely disappointed with Phantom Hourglass. I'm waiting for a handheld system with a hard drive and installable games, kinda like PC. Microsoft, that sounds like your domain, get on it. A portable game system where I don't have to bring all the carts/umds/whatever along? I'd be all over that. (Yeah, I know, homebrew. Know what? I don't care.)

brello

I agree totally, even as a Sony fanboy who still doesnt own a DS.

For me, the DS hasnt had enough game to interest me. I suppose i'm in the "hardcore" category. I like games with challenging engines. The DS has always felt too dummied down for me.

Plus my hands dont do well with a stylus )

Even with that said, i give full respect to Nintendo and its Wii and DS. Competition never hurt the consumer. And they are doing it right, just not in my style )

paulca82

One of the main issues, also, is that the DS is aimed at a much younger audience. I once read a comment from a Sony rep that said that they were aiming for the older audience more likely to be driving while Nintendo aimed for the passengers, i.e. kids.

I own a PSP and even I don't really take much time to boot it up unless I'm in the bathroom wasting toilet paper or on an airplane. I don't travel THAT much and I also have the obligatory magazine to keep me company when I forget that my PSP is another room before I sit down.

There's also no killer app for the PSP and there's a good chance there never will be. God of War is coming out but it's not a reason to buy a PSP. Nintendogs was a reason to buy the DS. It offered something you couldn't get anywhere else. The article mentions that the PSP is merely a condensed version of a Playstation and that's correct.

I love my PSP but I don't know if it will ever reach the critical mass appeal that the DS has. And you know, maybe that's okay. Either way I'll hold onto mine as if nothing else the system will be a great companion to the PS3. Powering on my PS3 from a hot-spot is just too cool. Nintendo's not doing that...yet.

incredibilistic

Who edits these articles, if anyone?

"There's simply no stronger brand right now in video games right now than Nintendo."

But anyways, yeah I've been wanting a DS for a while, this article might just convince me.

Pterror

Is it really so important to own the system that is officially the greatest, most popular, etc?

For me it is all about my personal "system sellers". I chose the PSP for exactly one of those "system sellers" and I don´t really care what the statistics say about my choice.

SenorKaffee

@CCM333:

Thanks for the feedback, CCM, I should have mentioned the attention to the older, and more serious group of gamers. And by that, I mean people over the age of 13. I liked Mario when I was 10, I'll stick with Battlefront and Socom for now. The problem is that kids don't stay kids forever, and Mario will always be Mario, despite the HUNDREDS of games milked off of him.

huxle

@huxle: Can any Wii-kisser over the age of 12 say that they support a console with Spongebob, Cars, Billy and Mandy, Dogz, Catz, and Dolphinz?

Sure. Why not? You can probably find the same titles on the the PlayStation 2. Are you going to going to start questioning your self-respect/manhood because of it? No. And, while we're on the subject, what's inherently wrong with games aimed at kids? If they're fun, they're fun. Get over yourself.

Doomstalk

@nya-chama:

I see what you're pointing at, but isn't that the primary reason for handhelds, "portable consoles". Sure, I can play great games on my PC or PS3, and watch videos, photos, movies, and surf the web, but can I fit those in my pocket? No. Can I use them anywhere I desire? No. Portability is a huge aspect to gaming, that's why the PS3, 360, and Wii are in a seperate group than the PSP and DS. I guess the thing that turned me off from Nintendo is their focus on one aspect. Touch, and motion. Sure, the DS' touchscreen is pretty nifty, but will I buy it just because of that? No. It's cool, but it doesn't have all the features that I would like to make it an option. Just like the Wii. Well, actually, not like the Wii. I really don't like motion controls, I prefer touch. Over both of those, I prefer analog controls, and with the analog controls there's more room to focus on what counts. Better games with more material, better speeds, better graphics, better stories, better online capabilities, and better characters.

huxle

I have to agree with HUXLE, its like comparing Apples and Oranges. The DS (and Nintendo) is geared more to the younger age group and there isn't a large or good variety in games that would appeal to 13 and up. Sure, playing Mario is fun but how long can you really play that without wishing Mario could pull out a mini-gun and pwn Bowser? The PSP gives you that pwning option by having plenty shooter which are geared to the older age group. Also DS sales are supported by parents because they offer educational and non-violent games for children, while the PSP... not so much.

CCM333

@resetbutton: "There's simply no stronger brand right now in video games right now than Nintendo."

The redundant phrasing merely reflects the two screens of the DS, which are reflected by the redundant phrasing....

Mandatory_Field

i've had my DS since launch. played it for a year and almost completley stoped. PSP on the other hand, i got that last year and i play it anytime i can. so IMO PSP is more fun. but it needs a price drop.

akmed

@huxle:
Don't you realise you're just proving marks point, orange and little orange, everything you do with you're PSP you can practically do with a console or a PC. Why would you torture yourself by playing it on a small screen?

Music? Great but I already have an MP3 player with 40GB, the DS brings gaming consoles or the PSP could never touch, Ouendan is a great example why the DS will be more fun.

nya-chama

Lord, what fools these hardcore be!

Casual gaming is no less gaming than your preferred genres of gaming, DS is no toy, if it was it would not be adopted by adults as well as children, just because you choose not to take any interest in games like brain age does not mena others will not. Would you go into a bookstore and decry the books that do not fit into your preferred interests. If gaming is to ever become truly mainstream the hardcore must be marginalized and relegated to the fringes of gaming where they belong. The PSP is not ever going to surpass the DS because it has targeted itself too narrowly, it is a device which appeals primarily to a single demographic, and only makes occaisional nods to the rest of the consumer market, DS on the other hand tries to drag in the larger market, and if gamers want to come along for the ride they are welcome. DS will far outlast the PSP because it is able to go beyond the traditional confines of the industry.

Avinash_Tyagi

Although I respect all of your opinions, I really don't see how anyone who currently supports Nintendo to hold any dignity whatsoever. Do you proudly say that you play Cooking Mama? Can any Wii-kisser over the age of 12 say that they support a console with Spongebob, Cars, Billy and Mandy, Dogz, Catz, and Dolphinz?

I'd really love an in-depth reply on why a person would suport the DS, hopefully from an intellectual perspective. I've played the DS many times, but I would never buy one. Super Mario is great, and Starfox was okay, but I really wouldn't play any other games on the DS, (3rd party aside, because Nintendo is so ridiculously reliant on 1st party titles).

Mark, I pay my respects, but can't anyone support an argument fairly these days? Based on your article, I presume the DS is a divine piece of technology sent down by God to please mankind. It also outsells the PSP at will, Nintendo just has to flip a switch to make the DS outsell the PSP automatically. First of all, I'm not a huge fan of sales. I don't believe that sales make a console good. Okay, the DS is a great seller. Why so?

Primarily, it's cheap. Very cheap, therefore appealing as the way to go if you're not sure which video game handheld to get

Secondly, it has a wide variety of child-oriented games that appeal to parents who want to keep their kids up to date, yet not expose them to the violence in modern video games. The DS has Mario, Zelda, Cooking Mama, and cute pets for gamers under the age of 12. Parents love that, so they buy DS's for their children.

Personally, I like the PSP more than the DS. Both have their ups and downs, and I wouldn't support either as strongly as some people here support Nintendo. I like the DS because it's small and stylish. I like the PSP because it's also stylish, slim, and has a nice big screen. Yet, I prefer the PSP over the DS because of the features and game selection. I went with a handheld that can store my 800 songs. I went with a handeld that stores my TV shows and movies, music and videos. I browse the internet frequently on my PSP, and have a blast playing Socom: Fireteam Bravo 1 and 2 online, tactically using my headset, then teaking a break by playing PS1 games from the playstation store. I'm happy that you all are enjoying your DS's, and I'm happy for those playing the PSP with me, but it's comparing APPLES and ORANGES.

huxle

Why are we comparing the two? It's like comparing Apples to Oranges. ;)

SAIFDS

@banmojo:
Real gamers? LOL

The percentage of real gamers compared to general gamers is very tiny. Real gamers is a small segment. Mindsets like yours is the reason people can't comprehend why the DS and the Wii are still selling like hotcakes and why Nintendo is earning PROFITS instead of Microsoft and Sony.

BostonPimpDaddy

@ffmusicdj: That was in the Japan market. This article says "world wide", which IS true.

If PSP is a take off from the PS2, I'm definitely getting a slim, and soon. I never bought a PS2, so haven't played ANY of the games (unless some were ported to PC that I may have played).

Real gamers play PC games, and from the specs when real gamers get on airplanes (and don't have a gaming laptop system) they'll likely have a PSP with them.

The Wii is great and all, it truly is, but its graphics suck such ASS compared with X360 or PS3. Its only main draw is the input, which does often get me up off the couch, and it's the only system I'd let my (future) kids play, for the same reason. (ok, its games are another main draw, but 480p?? COME ON!!!)

I hope the Wii2 has really robust graphics capabilities, but knowing Nintendo I just don't see that happening.

banmojo

Now third party companies need to start making games for the Wii... how long till something decent comes out? I say up to half a year. DS is already loaded with great games, which reminds me that I need to buy the Zelda DS bundle...

deathscent

Could you not count the PSP having backwards compatibility with PS1 games sortof?

DJTripleRRR

LOL this HAD to be done. Thanks Mark.
I'm a DS owner, and I'm badly wanting to become a PSP owner also (NO YOU DON'T U ...)

But I also think that PSP overtaking the DS is completely unreal. Ok, it is possible... if PSP drops price to about half the price of a DS... who knows?

DS is cheaper, made by Nintendo, has already sold twice as much, and we have already reached some stability on the portable maketing.

We are already past that time where one portable can suddenly release a great amount of good games that will turn the tides. Most great titles were already released for both portables.

And if something, people are already expecting the DS2 or PSP2. Right or not?

The next generation is the next generation.. no way to predict what'll happen.

But putting sales aside, I'm having lots of fun on my DS, but some titles are really tempting me on buying a PSP. I don't need a movie player, emulators are nice... but I don't really care for them... maybe that's why I didn't buy a PSP just yet. But Disgaea and some other titles... I'd really want to play them during road trips and such.

Bokusatsu_Tenshi

@Markj Wilson:
In reguards to your comment: "Nintendo... is selling oranges and apples," I must point out that Nintendo is selling something more like Bannanas and Apples in relation to Playstations oranges...

sophist

what PSP needs IMO:

GTA: San andreas stories

and more PS1 games... not hacked but legit ones.

akmed

Boom goes the dynamite.

charman

@EMoShunz: The DS outsold the PSP 3.8:1 worldwide last week. How in the world do you ever expect the PSP to overtake the DS in weekly sales when the DS trounces it every week?

If the DS sales started falling off for some strange reason (Which they won't) all Nintendo needs to do is release another version of the hardware and up those sales go again. The rumoured slimmer version with the tad larger screen's could easily steal back sales. Heck they could do something small like increase battery life on the things and people would snatch them up like crazy.

DarkNight_DS

@CCM333: I fail to see the distinction you're tying to point out. When did "gaming" and "play" become two different things?

Doomstalk

"DS games sell better. Way better."

Remember when Hannah Montana outsold Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops? I guess that makes the pop star have the better game.

That said though, nothing beats the Pokémon. Not even the other dead horses that Nintendo keeps beating to print their money.

Franco Forelli

The DS has R4. Who can beat R4?

slingblade

@ssj27gohan: omg... u didnt get me
i ment that colors will apeal more to younger kids wile older kids/teens/adults will look at more than just color but also game play and the such
also kids are more inclined to buy a games that looks good on the box while older kids will more readily look at a review or sumtin to see if its worth getting
(im not saying that older kids wont by on a whim but that younger kids wont chek a review 2 c if its good or not)

CCM333

"There's simply no stronger brand right now in video games than Nintendo."

Mm, what's that? That feeling... Oh! That's vindication! There's no better time to be a Nintendo fanboy.

Withmyrice

If I want to game, I'll do it on my PC. If I want to have some fun, I'll do it on my Wii or DS.

No matter what anyone says, pokemon is still probably the best RPG made for a portable console ever. I was hooked ever since I got my hands on pokemon Red and Blue

Diamond and pearl are amazing, SO many extras to unlock.

Rob C

For people who aren't smart enough to realize this, especially the moronic fanboys: you should be glad there's competition. Otherwise, you'd still be stuck with Gameboy, Gameboy Advanced, Gameboy Advanced SP, Game Boy Micro, Gameboy Micro Lite, Gameboy Micro Lite Slim, Game Boy Mini Micro Lite Slim, etc.

WickedEast

@CCM333: Are you kidding me? Out of all of those PS2 has the most kiddie games. Mario was designed with everyone in mind. As for the rest of your message it's hard to read but I think I get the idea. And anyway if someone truly loves gaming they should play all games not just realistic looking games. Games are meant to be fun, regardless of what it looks like.

On another note, [sarcasm]I guess colors just aren't adult. You know what, when someone hits puberty we should probably just zap away people's abilities to see vibrant colors, since those only appeal to children. Who wants to see colors, am I right? [/sarcasm]

ssj27gohan

I really don't think that even a Sony fanboy could be upset by being beaten by the DS. First of all, it's the first system to really even touch any kind of sales figures of a Nintendo portable system. At least the PSP can be compared to the DS. Also, this is Sony's first real dive into the portable gaming market. Considering Nintendo has had several portable gaming systems to build experience and name recognition from, it had an advantage before it even came out. While not as much as it used to be, the cost is also a factor. When it came around to Christmas time and parents were looking for something to get their kids, they were looking at paying $260 to get both kids a DS while they were looking at $400 to get both of their kids a PSP, meaning a 4 system turnaround if you compare PSP to DS sales. Just like with the PS3, the PSP suffered because of the price, but if you consider the price of the system, the sales are pretty decent. Whether it has an effect on sales or not, I'm not sure, but marketing the DS more towards kids also means that it is being marketed towards a group that is more prone to losing or breaking their game, thus requiring it to be replaced. Additionally, beyond just not appealing to the casual gamers, there really aren't many games for the PSP that appeal to female gamers. That is another thing that really hurts their sales. Anyway, the PSP is far from a failure, even if it never comes close to the sales of the DS.

ceilingFANBOY

@Pterror: He could just be stressing the idea that owning a DS is mad ownage.

Viewtiful Mico

Through homebrewing, and even PSN the PSP can play PSone games. As well as a long line of other consoles.

This was really just a fanboy being pissy pantsy list.

Sailorcancer

@ssj27gohan: PS2/PSP is considered not a childish system because there are much less child games for it then for DS/Wii
and the DS has appeal for everyone but do you want to tell me that Mario was desined with hardcore/older gamers in mind? mario is fun to play but it lacks realism which is a factor in if a game is for younger or older gamers, kids will like more colors and cartoonie-ish land of mario to battles of Battlefront

CCM333

I dont think youre giving PSP enough credit. the main reason i think its doing better is that there are not many games for people over the age of 10 with DS, besides brain games, same goes with the wii. The PSP has a great line of more "underground games" that in all means arn't for everyone but still has more than a handful of RPG's, racing games, sports, fighters, ect. Plus the multimedia of the psp is catching on quickly.

gekyo

@huxle: You're not impressing anybody, buddy, especially by calling anyone who supports the company that holds the vast majority of the gaming market right now 'without integrity'.

As for games on the DS? Let's see, off the top of my head, there's New Super Mario Brothers, Mario Kart, Zelda, 3 Phoenix Wrights, 2 Castlevanias (which are the best ones since Symphony of the Night, by the way), Advance Wars, Elite Beat Agents, Meteos, the only decent Sonic games to come out in YEARS, Trauma Center, a couple of Final Fantasies (which are not 40 dollar ports of the first two NES games), and many, many more. And if you think Mario and Zelda are only for kids under the age of 12, you need a pretty serious reality check.

In short, I think you need to go ahead and turn in the Sony Defense Force card now, because saying that Nintendo is for kids under the age of 13 is the bastion of faux-tough-guy 14-16 year olds.

Stormrider900

@Doomstalk: neither have i was over exadurating to make a point, the DS has very very few shooters, non of which I can recall of the top of my head, and many of the games are not made for the older gamers who have had more than enough of the millions of games made with Mario or Zelda or Pokemon. Yes they have fun, interactive games but many of the games are not made for gaming but are made for play
the PSP is made for gaming and not (as much) for a play

CCM333

I honestly don't understand why people still have such a problem with Nintendo. Sure, the Wii and DS have games geared towards children, but the PS2 had Barbie games and others. Why is Nintendo the only one called kiddie when you can easily find games geared for children on every other system as well. Anyway, maybe you call a game childish because it is colorful, maybe you call it childish because it lacks violence. But in reality, some of these "childish" games force you to use your brain much more than "Adult-oriented" games do. Mario is a game geared towards everyone and only people who are insecure in themselves (usually immature teenagers who feel the need to fit into a "cool" image in society) will call it a game geared towards children. Granted, if you don't like Mario that's fine and there is no reason you shouldn't be allowed to dislike it.

DS is winning because it appeals to children, teens, parents, casual, and hardcore gamers. A true hardcore gamer should be able to look past graphics and enjoy a game whether it's an ultra-realistic shooter or a game taking place in a colorful fantasy world. A true hardcore gamer has a love of gaming, not a love of a certain genre or graphical style only.

ssj27gohan

@CCM333: I tend to disagree. The DS is aimed at a wider age group than the PSP. The PSP is aimed at people who, to quote your post, wish "Mario could pull out a mini-gun and pwn Bowser". I'm as big of a fan of shooters as the next guy, but I can't say I've ever had that wish.

Doomstalk

@Grr...Argh...: Because it's impolite to just arbitrarily whip out your cock and say it's the biggest, so we need an alternative...

smitty1123

Frankly, I'd like to know why this all really matters. Seriously.

Grr...Argh...

The casual market moves a phenomenal number of units. My mother just bought a DS the other day for Brain Age and Flash Focus. Sure there are a few traditional games, such as Mario or Tetris, that she's moderately interested in, but it's the alternative game experience and intuitive interface that really caught her.

acceptablerisk

@ffmusicdj: ...You're joking, right? I honestly can't tell. Even if the VGChartz numbers are off, the DS has outsold the PSP consistently since both systems came out. It's not even a contest. The gulf is narrowing in Japan, but in the US (and I think Europe, although I can't say) it's getting even wider.

Stormrider900

This article is Bull Shit.

VG Game charts? Looks like a fake chart to me. I guess people will believe anything if it's on the internet and a percentage of people agree with you.

ffmusicdj

DS for the world!!!

dude49

The PSP certainly is a casual-market product, it's just not cheap enough or advertised nearly enough to those casual markets.

Spew

@blazedshaggy: I'd suggest a Nintendog, myself!

ManekiNeko

That's great and all, but how about the Giz getting around to "The State of HD DVD" please? I found the Blu-Ray one rather informative and would like to see the other side, yet this one gets wrapped up in only a few days. :[

ViewtifulJason

All I know is that for me the PSP is the only way to go. There are plenty of games that I'm really enjoying on it and I have no reason to doubt that more great games will come. I imagine Nintendo sells most of the units to a much younger demographic then the PSP. Nintendogs may be in the top 10 and that's fine but I sure as hell wouldn't want to play it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the DS has nothing to offer to older games because who wouldn't enjoy some of Nintendos famous IP's. What I am saying is that when push comes to shove I prefer the console game like experience and more mature content that the PSP delivers. I can't speak for everyone, but is it possible that the DS is selling more then the PSP simply because there are more younger gamers (and casual gamers) then there are older gamers out there?

lestat730

I think these PSP-DS articles have the highest words per comment of any articles posted on Gizmodo in a while.

ceilingFANBOY

@ssj27gohan:

Pointing out that the PS2 has kiddy games won't do you any good defensively. Sure, the PS2 has kiddy games, but that's because there are thousands of PS2 games out there. In density, there are many more kiddy games for the DS and Wii then there are on the PS2.

These Nintendo fantards are starting to piss me off. You guys have pretty much destroyed any respect I ever had towards someone who supports Nintendo. Pretty much all you guys can do is accuse other people of being fanboys. I swear, it's the only defense Nintentards have.

"Huh, my console has kiddy games and crappy graphics... well... you're a Sony fanboy!"

It's the same for every single one. Sony fanboy is probably the most commonly used term in this discussion. It's the only defense Nintentards have, like octopi and their ink. They use it to make themselves feel better.

On the topic of backward compatibility, has there ever been another Sony handheld before the PSP? No. Has there ever been a Nintendo handheld before the DS? Yes. How many PS2 discs do you think will be able to fit into the PSP? The PSP only has tangible PSP games because it's the first of it's kind, there were never any cartridges before the PSP. At least the PSP has the ability to download PS1 games, go ahead and download SNES games directly to your DS.

huxle

Both of the DS vs. PSP posts bring up a few good points and arguments in either direction. But, the proof is in the pudding right now; 2:1 sales of the DS over the PSP worldwide. 24 million units is a pretty good lead.

Benjo

i agree most of the reasons,except the backward compatibility part.

sorry,but the psp is way more superior in this one.

ponos

@techni: I dare you to be a sony fanboy.

tin

GP2X for the win!

Actually, in my case, that's what happened. I haven't powered my DS even once since I've got my GP2X. And that DS, I've bought after trading in a PSP.

Guizzy

For me, I have the Nintendo DS. I bought it really for a select few games. Mario Kart, Zelda, and FF games.

Now, here is the catch:
I would get a PSP, if they would make portable versions of FF7, FF8, FF9.

DS was smart enough to include the GBA slot so I can have FF1 & FF2 on 1 cart, FF3 via DS, FF4, 5, 6 all on separate carts. Now they have released the follow up to FFXII via DS too. (note: I am aware that FF1 and 2 have been released for PSP as well, but they are sold separately and cost a hella lot more than getting them for GBA together for very little difference).

Sony needs to get their most awesome RPGs to the PSP ASAP, then I will get one. Until then, DS is the winner in my eyes.

Lestat

@huxle: The only argument I see you making is "Nintendo make enough games where you shoot people, therefore only kids will one their products". Also, resorting to ad hominem attacks (ie calling people "Nintentards") doesn't exactly do much to prove your maturity or your point. All it does is make you sound like a troll.

Doomstalk

bought a psp at launch. and then i lost it. and i don't know where it is. i think i was visiting my folks and left it somewhere at their house. then i saw a puppy with a really poofy tail. that so had more of my attention.
same thing happened with my ps2. but i sort of wish i had a chance to play ff12 once.
i totally want a wii. zelda, metroid, mario... if only...

itouchnipples

Everything appeals to different markets. It's evident that the Wii and DS are winning out in sales because they target more of them.

I've played both systems on a semi-regular basis, and while they've both got their moments, it was the DS for me, all-around.

It's got Phoenix Wright and Trauma Center, which made the purchase price worth it.

Morii

@lestat730: I can't speak for everyone, but is it possible that the DS is selling more then the PSP simply because there are more younger gamers (and casual gamers) then there are older gamers out there?"
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Depends on what you mean by "younger gamers" and "older gamers".

While I'm sure that small kids have a lot more DS's than PSPs...

I'm sure that adults have more DSs than PSPs... (because males age 11-17 do not count as adults).

-

PSP is far from a failure overall, especially for a first effort... but it is a disappointment in terms of software sales. And I'm sure PSP makes Sony very little profit, because you make most of your money on the software.

dcartist

Nice article... I think I posted those 8 things in my comments to Jason Chen's article already... :P

It's utterly ridiculous to think that PSP is going to mount any kind of comeback at this point to catch up to DS Lite sales.

Again theory (poorly considered and flawed theory, that is) vs practice:

PSP is sexy and cool in theory...

But in practice, it's got little utility for me. The console gaming experience on a tiny screen, on the road... just isn't going to cut it. Meanwhile, it's too big, too short a battery life, and overpriced as a PMP. I realized the moment they released the specs and showed the pics that it would be something I might lust for a little... but as soon as I bought it, it would sit at home on my desk, unused, $250 down the toilet. I have to take my phone everywhere, so why would I ever need any PMP that isn't IPOD sized or smaller? When does an adult ever have enough time in an "unplugged" environment to play more than minigames? Only children play videogames in a car... because if you're driving you can't play, and if you're a passenger, it's anti-social to not talk to the other people in your car.

-

PSP is simply the game gear of our generation, whose sales were fattened a little by Sony marketing muscle and fat pockets, allowing them to sell at a huge loss early on to build an installed base.

Technologically admirable, but it's a form factor, feature set, and price point that made no sense when it came out.

dcartist

Wow, huxle is REAL dumb. His posts make reading through this whole thread worthwhile. Don't stop, PLEASE.

HAGE

OMG what a killer comment board. i am a PSP fan and player. Here's my HO"

I have payed 2 games since June : GTA Liberty City and Vice City. That is about $70 Us I have spent for COUNTLESS hours of excellent game play.

Last I checked you couldn't jack cars and waste dudes just 'cause you felt like it on the DS. Over there all you can do is make your brain stronger, which is redundant considering the variety of options you have solving the mission puzzles in the GTA 'verse.

So my chip is on the PSP table.

But cool comparison none-the-less.

Jasoncscs

@huxle:

Wait, why won't it do people any good defensively, because you say so?

"Can any Wii-kisser over the age of 12 say that they support a console with Spongebob, Cars, Billy and Mandy, Dogz, Catz, and Dolphinz?"

Sure, I do. I support the console, but I wouldn't play those games and hence I don't buy those ones. Simple as that. Or can't I support the PS2 because it has Barbie Horse Adventures? Or the GBA because it has Disney Princess? I don't really understand your logic here, maybe I also shouldn't support automobiles because some are painted a color I don't like. There are still plenty of games that I play on the Wii that do fit with what I'm looking for, and the titles that aren't target at me don't make me ASHAMED for purchasing the console.

Gavelwrench

@Jasoncscs:
"I have payed 2 games since June : GTA Liberty City and Vice City. That is about $70 Us I have spent for COUNTLESS hours of excellent game play."
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Just out of curiosity, where did you play countless hours of GTA liberty city and vice city on your PSP?

I'm curious. Did you play while you were at the skate park? Or at an underprivileged (a friend who doesn't have a PS2 and better versions of GTA) friend's house?

I just wonder what your personal usage model was for the PSP. It would never work for me, because anyplace I'd spend "hours" usually just isn't the most suitable to me for playing GTA.

dcartist

@HUXLE

I'm a 29 year old professional. I really don't care if people think I'm "childish" by liking Nintendo products. I myself find hardcore gamers to be some of the most childish, out of touch, and sad people out there. So nyahh.

yesno

Agreed. PSP will never beat the DS, because lets face it, the casual/kid market is unbeatable. I like them both but I have my inner child beating my techno-geek side (Have a DS). I still want a PSP though.

G.W.

This was something that didn't even need to be said, but I guess had to because the flames must be kept burning.

As to the "Zomg causal gamers are teh ADIS" hardcore gamers, you guys do understand that none of the publishers really gives a shit about what you think anymore..right? Causal gamers make them money not you. And you know what? Some of those same causal gamers buy the games you all so stroke yourselves over.

Sixtail

What's with the "DS > PSP, and vice versa" articles these past days?! Catering for the fanboys?! Just enjoy both handheld for godsake. I know the article(s) are about how this system can overtake this one with sales and all, but in the end, people here will just make comparisons on what system is better. Fanboys galore. Y'all just making yourself look like geeks. No offense.

rhugghed

FIRST AND FOREMOST, I do not believe that this can be said enough (and hasn't), MAD PROPS to Jesus Diaz on that illustration- cold.

@Franco Forelli:
"nothing beats the Pokémon. Not even the other dead horses that Nintendo keeps beating to print their money." this is WINABLE ON ALL LEVELS. i laughed and stopped and laughed again. it hurts.

PSP is good. DS is good. Software makes money though.

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p.s.
Note to GAMERS(GRAR!)- FPS were good 10 years ago. They are still good, but really, how many space dungeons can they make? Wolfenstein 3D is Halo and Halo 3 is Halo on 360. Wii/DS broke through that invisible box you put up. Come outside, don;t be scared. Do you remember how video games used to be FUN AND CHALLENGING? How many points of articulation do you want on your moss? Graphics are great but so is interaction. Do you remember ARCADES?

oo0cyst0oo

Niiice article. it's true. PSP is good but DS rules.

crazyorloco

mark is a nin fanboy

BigChiefSmokem

Well...the only games I play on the PSP are like DJ Max and Disgaea, so really the attraction to playing the PSP isn't that large overall.

The DS suffers from a similar fate, but its homebrew, while less hackable, is much more robust, as learning Japanese alphabets is a breeze with the DS helping you around. ^^

Lyner

Doubt this will get read but I'll say it anyway...

It's interesting that people continue to posit and ponder and wonder if the PSP will ever catch up to or 'beat' the DS. Personally I think a better question is will the DS ever crush the PSP...

Sure the DS is outselling the PSP 2 to 1 overall right now, nothing new about that. Since '89 Nintendo has OWNED the portable arena. But consider the alumni of challengers to the Nintendo hegemony...

Lynx
Gamegear
Turbo Express
Wonderswan/Color/Crystal
Nomad
NeoGeo Pocket/Color
Zodiac
Ngage
Gizmondo

Did any of these consoles come anywhere near 1/2 sales of their competing Nintendo product before dying completely? Hardly...

The PSP may never overtake the DS in units sold, but the fact that it hasn't been totally obliterated in the market by the most ginormously successful Nintendo console yet makes it a spectacular success IMHO...Which doesn't even take into account that the PSP is only Sony's 1st foray in the market, the DS/Lite is Nintendo's 5th.

Also consider, what with the price difference on the base unit itself, if you express success in consumer dollars spent, don't the two consoles actually come out about even ?

Keep in mind, I don't actually own either console, but I just like to play devil's advocate...

OddManOut

Also note that all the major game publishers are planning on or in the process of increasing near-future DS releases and most have decreased or eliminated future PSP releases. As with all previous console generations, software is the deciding factor and Nintendo will continue to have much more titles and more high quality and unique experiences for years to come.
I am happy to see Sony falter a little in hopes that they attempt to tame their market arrogance. A similar falter did wonders for Nintendo with the 3rd place finish of the Gamecube and it will hopefully be equally great for future Sony consumers as well.

Vagabum

Wait...the DS took a lesson on backwards compatibility from the Playstation 2? I thought it got that from the Gameboy Color, which also played regular Gameboy games. Or the Gameboy Advance, which also played Gameboy and Gameboy Color games.

@rususeruru:
It's not that the PSP doesn't have games. It's not that the PSP doesn't have games with high aggregated ratings (though the recent Gamespot fiasco makes that whole system suspect, and not just for PSP titles). It's that the PSP doesn't sell games as well as it should be able to. The critics are right in that it does have a better screen than the DS, but it's not as good as even a 10" TV screen, and if the games are mostly ports...

@Kaneda:
I'm not so sure anymore. Their first console barely sold more than the Gamecube, failed to break even, and would have been the laughingstock of all gaming history if they hadn't managed to swing an exclusive on Halo. Their next console has taken a huge lead over the successor of the all-time best-selling home console, they've actually managed to become an innovator with XBLM, and they might actually manage to turn a profit. I wouldn't say that they'd have a hit with their first portable game system, but I'd give them good odds on doing well with the next model.

@incredibilistic:
Sony's stance is that the DS is aimed at kids and the PSP is aimed at adults. Nintendo's stance is that the PSP is aimed at a limited market and the DS is aimed at everyone. The numbers support Nintendo on this right now, as they're selling to both a younger market (Poke-kids) and an older market (non-gaming mothers) than the PSP.

@brello:
Yeah, don't hold your breath. How many major titles can you play on a PC without having to wear out your optical drive by keeping the CD/DVD mounted?

@weatherman:
Quality doesn't matter as much as you'd think. The PS2 had the worst graphics of the previous generation, but it crushed the Dreamcast, and walked all over the Gamecube and XBox. Why? Not because it has the best games, but because it had the most games. Best games come later, once you've got the userbase to draw in the game-devs.

@invictus:
The PSP lacks a few other things. A second screen, a built-in mic, a proper d-pad, a sturdy format for game media, long battery life, a rumble-pak, and LEGO Star Wars: Complete Saga. I'd actually consider buying one if it gets LSW:CS before the PC does, or the Wii comes out in black or purple. I grew up on LEGO bricks and the original Star Wars trilogy, and this is the first game I like more than X-Wing. BTW, that makes me very much not-a-kid.

@Doomstalk:
No, go look at the numbers again. He pointed out that the PSP sales are starting to climb up to where the DS sales have presently plateaued. They didn't actually catch up yet. But they _have_ finally gotten on their feet, which is a major milestone for a non-tendo handheld.

@banmojo:
480i is still the industry standard. You can play the Wii on an HDTV, but you can't play the 360 or PS3 on a standard-def set, which is still what the vast majority of US families have. If it weren't for the fact that people mistakenly think we're being forcibly converted to HDTV instead of ATSC in 2009, that would be unlikely to change soon. As it is, it's still pretty iffy.

Purple Dave

Backwards compatibility? I'm sorry I guess my PSP doesn't play my PS1 games...oh and those GBA ones you mentioned for the DS. SNES, NES, N64...They're all there too, I like to think of my PSP as being every console before the GC/PS2/Xbox era!

StuiWooi

@Kaneda: Aside from all the people who were claiming that the psp would bury the DS and Nintendo back when both were first released.

pandaman1982

thanks for this

ext212

Actually ODDMANOUT, if you consider price points, the DS has been way more successful, because PSP was sold at a loss initially, and has sold little software (so little licensing fees which is where profits mostly come from).

DS has lowered their price point once since launch, and maintained it at a hefty profit on the hardware, AND the software.

DS has probably made over a billion dollars US PROFIT on DS, while I'd be shocked if PSP made more than 100 million profit, if they made a profit at all, after you add in R&D and marketing.

dcartist

Heh, this article was a little fanboyish too, but I'll say at least his claims are more realistic than the PSP article. Good to see a contrasting article posted (in particular to point out some of the stupidities in the first one).

P.S. - No, downloading PS1 titles on PSP does not count as backwards compatibility. It's not backwards compatible if you have to re-buy the game. Wii is backwards compatibile with GameCube, it's not backwards compatibile with NES, SNES, N64, TGFX16, Genesis, etc. DS is BC with GBA, period :P So yes, DS is the only one with real BC.

WarlockSoL

Oh, how lovely..

Screw you guys, I'm gonna go home after work and play some Eartworm Jim on my Super NES. Bitches.

Kaiser-Machead

I own a DS Lite, one of the original PSPs (downgraded to 1.5 firmware for homebrew) and a PSP Slim (updated firmware) and I have to say, I spend way more time with the PSPs.

The DS is fine if you're a kid, I'm sure playing with virtual puppies goes a long way for a 10 year old. But for adults (I'm 38) there's really nothing that the platform offers.

The touchpad on the DS seems to be used in games as "touch the screen to continue" over and over again. The Phoenix Wright titles fall into this trap, as did Hotel Dusk. There's no reason for this lame play mechanic when there are perfectly good buttons that could be used instead.

The article mentions that the PSP is a Portable Playstation and with that you get a more mature userbase as well.

As for the console side, I have a Wii and an Xbox 360. I took the Wii on a road trip for Thanksgiving and haven't felt the need to hook it back up yet. Too busy playing Mass Effect.

Jordan Lund

@StuiWooi: Keep in mind that as much as you and other PSP owners stroke yourself over homebrew and SNES/PSX/etc emus, the bulk of causal gamers do not sell. You can't use "You can upload dozens of burned titles and movies" as a selling point in retail.

The PSP also sucks ass software wise compared to the DS because so many of those "adult" gamers are cheerfully loading every PSP game they can from the internet onto the system and not paying a dime.

@IrisMR: Indeed. Causal gamers do not give a shit about homebrew or emulators. Make my words, PSP2 will be the devil to crack if Sony has it's way.

Sixtail

I've been a gamer for 20 years now. I've owned every major console and portable. It just gets to me how much gamers have immatured over the years. When the f@ck did it turn from being about the games ('which were good or bad?' f@ck whatever system its on) to it being about being which console is doing better, or this console and its games are for adults while the other is for kids, or that I'm more "mature" because I own a true "hardcore" system. F@ck article like this and the other and the load of BS that follows.

Most of you need to take a step back and read your comments and realise how immature some of them really are. When you can do that, maybe you can then start to actually make real comments that are based on well-founded opinions and legitimate facts. And then maybe I can actually take some of you seriously and give you guys respect and reply with the same legitimate comments with no bashing.

Also, those whose use the "kiddy" or "for children" comments need to stop. The fact that all of us are playing videogames to begin with already makes us childish and immature to those who don't play and get why we like to play. You all need to quit bashing on each other and just respect the fact that anyone who plays (hordcore or casual) is a "gamer", no matter what they play or whichever system they play it on, and a "gamer" is all you need to be. F@ck labels.

shingoki

@Kaneda:
The PSP is doing better than expected? As far as I remember practically EVERYONE was saying that the DS was going to be absolutely thrashed when the PSP came out. Never happened.

strobefx

"Since its launch, the Nintendo Wii has not been outsold for a month worldwide ever by the Xbox 360 or PS3."

I suggest you read up before you make inaccurate statements, and I quote from the line of Kotaku

"According to Enterbrain, the PlayStation 3 came out on top in monthly sales over the Wii for the month of November, pushing 183,217 consoles to Nintendo's 159,193."

While I completely agree with your other statements like PSP never out selling DS I just thought I should point this out

Asura

Someone said it best. The DS is a toy the PSP is so much more with wifi, internet access, picture movies, videos, music. Not to mention I bought a Location Free TV so now I can watch my home tv anywhere there is wifi with my PSP so DS top that!

eighty82

* As long as we're talking about sales, the DS has topped 40 million units worldwide. Sony has, respectably, reached 25 million.

-- is this the combined sales of the DS' first incarnation until lite? if so, the PSP starting a bit later and with just recently having the "slim" available, it's pretty good playing catch-up with such a "small behemoth".

* Sony is essentially selling oranges and smaller oranges. Nintendo, in its two screens and use of touch, is selling oranges and apples.

-- the "smaller orange" is what makes it a good orange, it IS a portable playstation (bordering on a playstation 1.75 quality) w/c means like the playstation 2 and 3, it's marketed/functioned as a media device for watching movies, or listening to music when not gaming. that's a pretty good "alternative" if you ask me, far more flexible and entertaining than an ipod/itouch but not, as you say "fresh" in gaming sense like the DS. The DS and WII are different from competitors in how the games are played with a stylus and wiimote w/c does away from conventionality of a d-pad and buttons. I wouldnt call the wii/ds and apple and orange, but an apple and peach (or something in-between an apple and orange)

* The DS supports more than just the DS through backward compatibility.

-- consider that there is no "backwards" to a psp other than ps1 games being ported to the psp through the psn store or re-makes. a quick question arises: "to experience a PS1 classic or a GBA classic? which is more "entertaining" on a handheld?" which brings me to my next point of interest...

* DS games sell better. Way better.

-- for the same reason the wii sells better, it's marketed for the casual gamer, the average joe and jane and their kids. Better "games"? I'm not sure the average gamer can find much entertainment with nintendogs. Mario is always a system seller, near everyone who's playing on a console grew up with Mario (or in the later generations, pikachu and pokemon and Zelda/Link for the cult-following).

* The casual market is the real deal.

-- which is a dual-edged sword if you think about it. Casual market creates fads and trends that provide a really good rush of pleasure until it fades out to a newer one. It moves units, but can the game quality keep up and market to those who really want a good game? (nintendogs do not count, pokemone yes, nintendogs just no.) This is a "problem" the wii is facing, quality titles from the big N itself (zelda/pokemon/mario/etc.) but rather lackluster givings from most 3rd-parties, do you see this reflected on the DS?

* the PSP is not dethroning the DS.

-- I could call false, or it could hold true, point is we are no experts in clairvoyance to make such an assumption. A good analogy for sony in this case is the story of the "Hare and Tortoise". The Hare (Nintendo) has rocketed a good lead ahead of the tortoise but sooner slowed down and took a rest confident of victory, the tortoise (Sony) kept consistency and eventually outpaced the Hare and claimed victory his prize. How many wii/ds owners have found themselves with their units gathering dust? This holds true for any gaming machine which fails to keep the interest of it's owner in check, the PSP was gathering dust on a lot of people's shelves until quality games like Final fantasy series, GTA, and god of war eventually piqued interest once more.

I personally, can see the PSP overtaking the DS. Which could mean a couple of things:

- everyone owns two DS units, and now wants a psp.
- DS advance (or DS2 whatever new incarnation) arises.
- PSP + FF7 + KH = doomsday device.

iRloading

The PSP lets me do more things. I HAVE to watch UMD porn for at least 1 hour every morning, I also watch the Spiderman Movie that came with the system about 12 times a day. The DS just can't do any of this. I can't play GTA on a DS, i spend about 9 hours a day on that game, and the battery life is WAY better on the PSP. Anyone that got a DS should return it and get a PSP with any UMD movie they can get their hands on, along with GTA.

Big_Snitch

Big_Snitch

I have both and I'm always pretty bored on my DS and usually go back to my PSP. Though I only bought my DS to play a few games. I don't think PSP will ever overtake DS as long as people buy DS's for everyone from their six year olds to grandmothers. They also have more family friendly games as well. But PSP is the same as a playstation, which has a huge library of games. To me the key to psp success to to make more of those available in some way. But some will disagree saying PSP needs more original new content. But, I don't see any shame in being a close number 2 to the DS-lite.

booyaka

PSP is backwards compatible with PS1 (and many many more consoles if hacked). PSP games are very casual, that's all I use it for. DS sold more, but it's also been out longer. PSPs alternative experience is watching movies, surfing the web, listening to music, controlling the PS3 from afar, etc. As someone else said, more sold doesn't necessarily mean better.

This article seems very DS biased. I owned a DS and PSP since their launch days. The DS had poor graphics and the touch screen got boring eventually I sold it off and enjoyed my PSP.

Philnolan3d

Isn't it irrelivant that DS will sell more than PSP?

As others have said, the consumer market consists of more casual gamers than hardcore gamers. Regardless of the "touch" aspect for the DS, this is the same reason there are more Honda Civics on the road than Porsche Boxters. It doesn't say much for the quality of each experience as it pertains to the intended market. When I play Phantom Hourglass, I truly enjoy the experience. It's a great game and is deserving of all it's accolades. But playing WipeOut Pure with my HK soundsticks plugged in (CD Quality Audio, anyone?), my heart rate ACTUALLY goes up. I enjoy casual AND hardcore gaming. Owning a PSP and DS gives me both of those thrills. That said, you can't knock the PSP for not selling as much.

quattrokid73

This seems like a very DS biased article. the PSP doesn't do casual gaming? That's all I do with it. When I'm chillin at starbucks or something it's great for a quick Wipeout Pure race or a couple levels of Lumines. The great casual thing about it is playing for a few minutes, putting it to sleep and picking up where you left off later.

It is indeed backwards compatible with PSOne games, not to mention if you do a little research it can be backwards compatible with just about any system.

As for console sales, remember the DS was out longer than the PSP.

The "alternative experience" with the PSP is the ability to watch movies, listen to music, surf the web, control the PS3 from afar, etc.

I owned both portable systems since launch day but the DS just got boring and had poor graphics, so I sold it.

Philnolan3d

@paulca82: I'd agree with you here. Don't get me wrong I'm on the other side of the divide here - I've always been a bit of a Nintendo fanboy, but the latest generation has let me down a bit.

All of this appeal to 'non-gamers' just leads to Nintendo releasing 'non-games' like Nintendogs and Brain Training, w