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The WGA Strike and the Death of Television
Posted by Adam Frucci at 5:30 AM on November 14, 2007
TV is a dying medium. It might not be disappearing anytime soon, but it's clearly going to be replaced by either the Internet or some sort of TV/Internet hybrid. People are getting used to watching shows when they want, be it through timeshifting using a TiVo or by downloading using iTunes or BitTorrent, and because of that broadcast TV is becoming obsolete as a delivery method. Like the music industry, the TV industry realises that their tried-and-true business model is about to be useless, and its lashing out at the wrong people in its panic. Unlike the music industry, who attacked its fans, the TV industry is attacking its own: writers. We talked to both sides to get at the root of the trouble.
This WGA strike sucks, to be sure. If it goes on for more than three months (which is looking increasingly likely), pilot season won't happen, no new shows will be created, no new seasons will come back, and we'll be stuck with the dregs of reality TV for a full year. Yep, that means no last season of Battlestar Galactica, no new season of Lost, and no new episodes of The Office. It's no small thing, and not just because you'll be inconvenienced by marathons of Overweight Celebrity Chili Cook-Off Island or whatever the networks will throw up when they run out of new programming. People are losing their jobs over this; lots of people. But the WGA wouldn't be striking if this wasn't important.
Eric Appel, who's written for shows such as Crank Yankers and The Andy Milonakis Show as well as consulted for Human Giant told me that "new media is where television is going. In a few years cable is just gonna be the Internet, it's just gonna be the Internet hooked up to your TV. And unlike TiVo where you can skip the advertisements, in streaming players you're forced to sit through the ads, so the networks are making money on that, and the studios don't want to give writers any of that."
Imagine if the RIAA decided that the Internet was merely a way to promote CDs and that no songs sold online counted when paying musicians. Their argument would be that those songs sold were just to people who were checking them out and might go buy the CD later, at which point the artist would get paid. Does that make any sense to you? No? Because it's the essential argument the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers (AMPTP) is making.
Here's what a spokesperson told me: "new media has proven to be an effective and cost-effective promotional and marketing tool for both films and television but there is not enough marketplace data to judge its true potential, ultimate impact on traditional media or viability as a business." Basically, they claim they don't make any money off the Internet so there's nothing to share with the writers, and since "each new month brings new ways to produce, distribute and consume media and entertainment" they don't want to agree to give writers any new media residuals.
As it stands, writers get a small percentage of revenue if a show is successful and reruns often, which is why Jerry Seinfeld drives a gold-plated flying car between his mansions in the Hamptons and Dubai. They aren't paid any residuals for new media, despite the fact that online content delivery is the future.
The problem with this logic is that if new media really didn't bring in any money, there wouldn't be a problem. The writers are asking for a percentage of profits from new media, just like they get from TV. A percentage of nothing is nothing, after all.
So what this battle basically boils down to is the producers trying to move away from a residuals system, one in which writers are paid once for their work and get nothing for creating huge hits. It'll make them a whole lot more money and writers a whole lot less. And it's not just the livelihood of writers at stake; this same issue is going to come up with actors and directors as well in the near future. It's a battle for how business will be done in the age of TV mating with the Internet, and one that'll effect the entertainment that all of us consume for the foreseeable future.
So unless you want your online entertainment to consist solely of fare such as Tay Zonday and 2Girls1Cup, you should support the WGA. They're the professionals, the people who create the entertainment that helps define our culture. And if the television industry has its way, they won't see their fair slice of the Internet pie, and that's just not right.

Comments (AU Comments · US Comments)
Brett James
Posted November 14, 2007 7:41 PM
The 2 Girls 1 cup reference made me laugh - although on the other hand shows that the direction we are moving in is more of shock value, which is reflected in movies such as saw. The market is moving because people are changing, instant gratification will mean both more and less at the same time is needed.
More wow, and less red tape - which as pointed out by the article, is a fact for their way of working
PRO7
Posted 2:09 PM 13/11/07
We all know that tv is never gonna disappear.
So everything is about that they want money from the internet media.
Well F*%ck them! Eventually the Hollywood bosses are gonna give in, but the thing is, the number of users/viewers has not changed! Weather it's the internet users or the TV viewers, the number of people is the same. F?/#k them!
PRO7
deadphotomac
Posted 2:09 PM 13/11/07
Let them strike. When they can write some good TV show they should get paid. Not for rewriting the same old story.
deadphotomac
navvywavvy
Posted 2:08 PM 13/11/07
Oh come on. Writing is such a hack job. I'm writing right now and I'm not getting paid for it. Should I go on strike? Hell, there are ads on this page, I WANT A CUT!
hahaha
navvywavvy
Monty
Posted 2:07 PM 13/11/07
This strike has been a nice break and is allowing me to catch up on my reading and NetFlix queue. So, they can continue to strike for a couple more months and I won't care.
That said, I think people are watching plenty of TV, we just are getting it in different delivery methods. So, the shows themselves are going to be around for a very long time, it is just the delivery that is slowly evolving.
Monty
dambo29
Posted 2:06 PM 13/11/07
How greedy can the producers be? without writers they're nothing so why not accept that FACT and pay these people what they deserve. It ALL starts with the written material.
dambo29
nospamsam
Posted 2:05 PM 13/11/07
I hate greed. The networks aren't very smart.
Not paying their workers their due is going to cause more good writers to quit and less good writers to start.
It will turn into a downward spiral that will end up with broadcast TV being nothing more than a series of infomercials and political propaganda that no one will watch.
oh wait, hasn't that already happened?
nospamsam
surrealthemuse
Posted 2:04 PM 13/11/07
I will sorely miss my favorite TV shows during this strike but I support what they are doing and their right to get paid for what they have created.
surrealthemuse
crycry
Posted 2:03 PM 13/11/07
Or in Canada. No Tivo, online content is blocked and will be for a very long time because of the CRTC. I don't even know if itunes works but I would bet not. Never mind that as TV moves to HD that's gonna be a lot of data to push around. That aside, pay the writers, online is going to be a large revenue stream eventually.
crycry
Dude27
Posted 2:01 PM 13/11/07
They are right anyway, TV in the States is a joke: 70-80% of commercial time for 20-30 minutes of mostly crap like TV reality shows, stupid and boring host shows and propaganda news... Let the TV DIES ! it's not even worst it !
Dude27
warf0x0r
Posted 2:01 PM 13/11/07
GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT!!!
If BSG doesn't air next year I'm going to lose it. But honestly I'd probably just cancel cable and not buy the two HDTVs I've been wanting. I'm thinking other industries might want to presure "hollywood" to comply.
warf0x0r
kahri
Posted 2:00 PM 13/11/07
Wow, the studios (TV/MP/MUSIC) showing their ugly faces lately. As we get deeper into digital media distribution, it becomes more apparent that the studios are basically middle-men between artists and consumers. Which until now was necessary for production loans, promotion & distribution. Now it's getting cheaper & easier to produce/promote media yourself (sometimes w/out leaving the room) and distribute where, when and how you want. Would anyone really care about watching an episode of your favorite program on the creator's website instead of nbc.com for example? Of course not, especially knowing it's the creators getting the credit. just my .02
kahri
Cupajo
Posted 2:00 PM 13/11/07
@kOtic:
What writers?
Cupajo
WestCoastPat
Posted 1:59 PM 13/11/07
Also, to point out a flaw in your argument, Tivo still requires some sort of input, so TV isn't going anywhere.
WestCoastPat
drewbyh
Posted 1:55 PM 13/11/07
TV is not going anywhere, not in the US anyway. Too large a portion of the population doesn't have access to high enough speed Internet, DSL and any sort of wireless don't cut it, to hurt TV in any way. This isn't going to change in the next 25 years either.
drewbyh
kOtic
Posted 1:55 PM 13/11/07
I hope Heroes writers aren't striking...
kOtic
demonwolf
Posted 1:55 PM 13/11/07
i agree and it's affect not effect
demonwolf
astrograph
Posted 1:53 PM 13/11/07
DAMNIT PAY THEM!!!!! i need to watch The Office & 30 Rock.. please?
astrograph
toyotaboy
Posted 1:51 PM 13/11/07
Wow, is every actor on "the office" also a writer? When I first heard about this, I thought they were whining about not getting paid enough, now I realize they didn't get paid at all for the web episodes, so I can understand where they're coming from. Your first mistake was working for NBC, they're cutting costs left and right over there (laying off old workers, cutting ties with itunes).
I agree that the television formula is dying with people skipping commercials and only watching shows on-demand. They really need to figure out a way to produce shows and still make money. Maybe if the cable companies didn't charge so much money for basic programming I might actually care about the networks.
toyotaboy
Wilcry
Posted 3:05 PM 13/11/07
Shouldn't a percentage of the profits be part of the contract negotiations in the first place? Why not bonuses for successful shows? What about making writers into producers if they want a bigger cut of the pie? Why is this something that the WGA is struggling over? Like Derelikt said, I understand their point of view, but all this will do is push up the cost of these things for all of us. Someone was saying to me, "all they are asking for is a lousy 8 cents per sale rather than the 4 cents they are getting now. Yes it's 4 cents, but it's also 100% increase in what they were paid before. I am sure the WGA got screwed at one time, but if the companies cave, they will increase the cost of DVD's. If the WGA wins, TV will only go on at the quality it is right now. No incentive to make a better product. Either way, at this time, I don't see anyone winning in this one. All I see are advertisers pulling out of projects, meaning lower production value, and lots of people in the industry who aren't writers getting the real shaft in all of this.
just my 2 cents
Wilcry
HockeyPhool
Posted 3:03 PM 13/11/07
@kotic: Apparently the writers of "Heroes" have been on strike since last season. Let's hope they actually come back
HockeyPhool
Adam Frucci
Posted 3:03 PM 13/11/07
@Abnormal: I'm pretty sure that's what a strike is.
Adam Frucci
Joseph
Posted 2:59 PM 13/11/07
I hope all of you guys who are yelling "PAY THEM!!" realize that the networks aren't gonna get stuck with the bill. Oh no, they are gonna pass those expenses right onto you; the loyal customer.
Joseph
Abnormal
Posted 2:48 PM 13/11/07
Where I am from if you don't like what your employer is doing and won't change, you just quit and go somewhere thats better. Kinda hard to get things done if you have no one to do it.
Abnormal
alukard
Posted 2:45 PM 13/11/07
Crack open a book or 10 and expand your mind. If you need some televisual fix now and then, watch the dvd of your favourite movie and you will be right as rain.
alukard
ianken
Posted 2:44 PM 13/11/07
The writers got totally screwed with DVDs. When they negotiated their last contract the studios pulled the same BS. "Oh, this DVDs thing is new, there's no way to know if it'll make any money so we're gonna give you a silly slice of the pie." And the writers bought it. And then DVDs ended up being HUGE and the writers got the mega-shaft. They will not make the same mistake twice.
As to "Blakeley" who says writers and actors should not get any percentage: WTF? How is the writer of a TV show any different from a writer of a book? The writer of the book gets (generally) 15% of the cover price. A writer on a DVD project get $0.4, flat. Do the math.
The acouting used by studios is geared such that on paper no show ever makes any money, this is engineerd specifically to screw those who are contractually entitled to a cut of the "profit." But, since no "profit" is made nobody gets a slice of it. Thus the union and per-copy or per-airing royalties.
[www.jmsnews.com]
[www.jmsnews.com]
Has all the dope on this via JMS. He doesn't need the money, any more than say Jay Leno or JJ Abrams.
But there thousands of writers who make less than most people posting on this board from their offices in tech industry land. It is the royalties that allow them to feed their families between writing gigs. Wihtout them there would be no large talent pool of writers because none of them could afford it.
So folks, get your asses up to Amazon, buy some books and get ready to ride this one out.
I am totally in support of these guys.
ianken
HeyBeav
Posted 2:42 PM 13/11/07
There's a t.v. strike?
Hadn't noticed.
HeyBeav
middy
Posted 2:41 PM 13/11/07
I'm glad they're on strike. Maybe my friends will stop watching so much TV and come out and do worthwhile things with me, like drink beer and play pool.
middy
infmom
Posted 2:34 PM 13/11/07
@Vagabum: That's exactly what happened during the last strike.
I think Netflix will be the real winner in this one.
infmom
funtasticguy
Posted 2:34 PM 13/11/07
Who needs TV when you have the Internet for Gizmodo and other blogs, news, entertainment, YouTube, and for downloading movies! Indeed, if someone took the Internet away from me (versus TV), I would be a lot more lost!
funtasticguy
phoomp
Posted 2:26 PM 13/11/07
@drewbyh:
25 years is a long time. 25 years ago, the vast majority of people hadn't even heard of the Internet, most didn't even have computers, much less VCRs.
25 years from now, cable TV and even the Internet might be distant memories, replaced by some other form of entertainment distribution. It's this kind of future that the writers need to start preparing for today.
I'm willing to sacrifice a year of mediocre entertainment in the hope of at least 5 years of good entertainment.
phoomp
BLAKELEY
Posted 2:24 PM 13/11/07
Writers and actors shouldn't get ANY percentage of profits in my opinion, they should just be paid more in the first place. There is plenty of money to go around, but this system of "percentage of profits" is so outdated because you can't track when/where shows are watched anymore.
It's stupid, the whole thing is stupid, if the writers weren't so lowballed from the start then this wouldn't be an issue.
BLAKELEY
Cassifras
Posted 2:23 PM 13/11/07
can we pay only the writers who make some thing actually good?
Cassifras
Vagabum
Posted 2:22 PM 13/11/07
As an avid TV viewer (thanks, Tivo), I am frightened for the content that will be produced over the next few months (if any). I expect all the old failed pilots that were written or actually produced and left to gather cobwebs on the shelves unaired because they sucked will be given a chance on the small screen. I predict we will also start to see a number of lost episodes from earlier has-been TV series.
Vagabum
IrisMR
Posted 2:21 PM 13/11/07
Every writers are striking.
Oh well. I'm not that bothered by it. Sounds like a whine show to me, from both the producers and the writers.
IrisMR
matt1978
Posted 2:21 PM 13/11/07
@derelikt: Waahhh!! I won't make any money, so I hates the strikes.
Who do you work for? NBC Universal?
matt1978
Canoehead
Posted 2:20 PM 13/11/07
@crycry: I agree that Canada is totally backward on media - just one reason I now live in the USA, but you can use Tivo there now. You have to drive over the border to buy it, but the guide service now works north of the 49th (not the new cablecard boxes, but the dual analog tuners do).
Canoehead
thepounder
Posted 2:19 PM 13/11/07
@PRO7: Was that sarcasm? If not, your "argument" doesn't make any sense.
The writers are where all the funny comes from. No writers = no funny. So please, stupid studios, pay these people for what they do that makes you rich.
thepounder
Vagabum
Posted 2:18 PM 13/11/07
The studios are setting themselves up for failure and could get cut out of the equation entirely by alienating the creative talent. With new media the cost barrier to entry for content distribution goes away. If the studios continue to alienate them, then at some point the talent will figure out that they can produce the same great content and distribute it on their own without the studios.
@crycry: When I left Vancouver 2 years ago I could buy music from the Canada iTunes store, but not TV shows. I don't know if this is still the case.
Vagabum
BENNY THE INTERN
Posted 2:15 PM 13/11/07
I'm no corporate shill, but I think you hit it right on the head when you said "a percentage of nothing is nothing". I haven't seen financial figures, but it's the studios/networks paying for the hosting, right? And that's probably pretty expensive, especially until viewers/advertising money increase by a lot. I think the writers should absolutely get a percentage of profits, but they probably won't be happy with what that actually equals out to for a while.
BENNY THE INTERN
derelikt
Posted 2:11 PM 13/11/07
@kOtic: They are. Tim Kring, is among them. Which is why there are only three more episodes left in the season. :/
I can understand the position the writers are in... changing technology calls for a re-defining of traditional compensation methods. Fine, agreed.
But what often gets overlooked is the impact that this strike is having beyond just what shows will and won't get made. There are MANY people involved in these shows... from grips to hairdressers to the dude that gets the coffee. And you know what? Because of this strike, they are having to find new work.
And what will they get out of this strike? Absolutely nothing. They are already some of the lowest paid people in production, and now they are being put out of work.... which can be a little scarce right about now.
I agree with what the Writer's Guild is trying to accomplish... but I loathe it as an organization. Unions are as outdated as the pricing model they're protesting.
My company was just about to pitch a show pilot, but our producer is a member of the WGA... so now he can't even pitch a show without incurring the wrath (ie, blacklisting and mega fines) that would come from disobeying the "strike".
Sorry, Writers... I may agree with what you're trying to accomplish, but this strike gets no sympathy from me.
derelikt
Shervyn
Posted 4:08 PM 13/11/07
If the WGA were talking about some sort of pay for perfromance then that would be different, but no union would support differentiating among their members due to something like talent and ability. So I hope the WGA goes down in smoke like the sick sad relic of the 19th century failed Socialism that it is. Talented writers will always find jobs and the talentless hacks that WGA protects deserve to be out of jobs. Honestly, do you believe that they guys who write Heros or BSG would not be able to negotiate advantageous contracts for themselves?
Shervyn
RGfin
Posted 3:54 PM 13/11/07
"The problem with this logic is that if new media really didn't bring in any money, there wouldn't be a problem. The writers are asking for a percentage of profits from new media - a percentage of nothing is nothing, after all."
Guys, it doesn't matter if it doesn't make money now. The fact is that the model changes every day, and the studios, who hold the purse strings, are not going to sign up for a long-term contract with the writers until they are more than 50% certain how they will make money in the future. Eisner was right - this battle should not be fought today, but in five years.
RGfin
mrhammerstein
Posted 3:41 PM 13/11/07
oh. and give back your emmy if you're so pissed.
mrhammerstein
Razta
Posted 3:36 PM 13/11/07
Pay the BSG writers. Ok pay Dexter writers too. Wait thats based on a book, just copy the book.
Razta
mrhammerstein
Posted 3:32 PM 13/11/07
don't they realize all the top shows are already reality shows? americans are dumb. we'll still watch anything, but complain about it.
and how greedy are they to put thousands of people out of work that don't get any cut of anything. all the PA's and grips and cameramen are all being screwed. so thanks to the greedy writers.
write something good and then we'll talk.
mrhammerstein
mreed
Posted 3:30 PM 13/11/07
The only good thing about the strike is that I won't be tempted to kill more brain cells trying to watch Bionic Women
mreed
dancemonkey
Posted 3:28 PM 13/11/07
@Cassifras: We already do. It's called watch show you like, don't watch shows you don't like.
dancemonkey
mreed
Posted 3:26 PM 13/11/07
What about getting some of the great British show over here in the mean time. In fact why not permanently.
mreed
dancemonkey
Posted 3:24 PM 13/11/07
Watch Break A Leg, at [www.breakaleg.tv]
I'm in it, to be all fully disclosive about it. It's also a great show, and currently only available online.
We're seeking revenue, not real TV necessarily (well, not anymore anyway), but real revenue so we can all quit our shitty day jobs.
Viewship eventually somehow translates into revenue, so go watch the show, subscribe to it through iTunes, just watch it!
My DVR is basically a spinning hard drive cranking up my electric bill now for the rest of the fall seasons. I'm so upset. I love TV.
dancemonkey
BMErdin
Posted 3:11 PM 13/11/07
@middy: Agreed. I have friends who watch so many shows that they create a TV schedule at the beginning of the season of what to watch live, what to DVR, when to catch up on DVR'd shows, etc. Guh.
BMErdin
ulaq27
Posted 5:19 PM 13/11/07
First of all, I suppport the writers. Most shows that people write do not make it on the air. Those that do make it and are successful should share in the profits. Second of all, I will be rethinking how much capital I put in to my new home theater if there are not going to be any shows to watch. Third thing is, the movie industry will feel this soon if it does not get resolved quickly. Netflix will make out in the short term, but they will run out of content as well. If I was Sony or Universal, I would be looking for a quick resolution before it kills the holiday season for the electronics industry. Has anyone else noticed that studios are airing the crap that did not do well last season in a few weeks?
ulaq27
jbelkin
Posted 5:13 PM 13/11/07
It should also be noted to those who complain that 'writing sucks,' well guess who approves and meddles with the writer's scripts? That's right - THE STUDIOS ... they all go to Harvard but can they make a decision? No, they do focus groups in malls to decide "what's good." As we know from examples, that includes scribbling notes like, "Lose the guy with the pointy ears" to a certain 1960's scifi show or that SEINFELD was one of the lowest testing sitcoms ever ... don't blame the writers for what you see. The writing is what the STUDIOS think you want to see.
jbelkin
jbelkin
Posted 5:09 PM 13/11/07
As for the reader who thinks because right now, "nothing from nothing" means there's nothing to strike over - that is exactly the reason for the strike. The writers are asking for a TINY sliver - less than 1% for CREATING EVERYTHING ... in essence, the writers don't make money if the studios don't make a huge % more! But that's not good enough for the studios, they're essentially arguing, it's "nothing" now but if it becomes something, you should still get nothing.
And then they launch HULU and NBC Direct where shows are streamed and they sell ads and what's the writers take when they stream it?
NOTHING.
That's right, they call streaming "promos" - if streaming was FREE with no ads, I agree, that's a promo but with ads - NOT a promo anymore.
Or when they ask writers to write FREE webisodes with NO PAY & NO RESIDUALS ...
So clearly, why would NBC launch two separate streaming with ads websites - because they really think it's nothing?
jbelkin
weatherman
Posted 4:55 PM 13/11/07
I hope that segment was unscripted....
weatherman
jbhitter24
Posted 4:55 PM 13/11/07
ok thats cool guys! the office is the only tv show i actually watch. we taunt us viewers with videos where we're absolutely powerless. go complain to NBC!
jbhitter24
SantaBarbaraWahoo
Posted 4:55 PM 13/11/07
Any guess how long it will take for some of these writers to pull a Radiohead and just start distributing this stuff on their own online? Show of hands; who wouldn't drop $10 to watch a season of the Office, distributed entirely online?
SantaBarbaraWahoo
Terranova
Posted 4:53 PM 13/11/07
ps - yes i know this isn't a legal battle. that was a bad choice of words. they are using their entertainment lawyers to counter any arguments the writers have or to create contracts that epxloit them and deny them of their fair share for their work.
Terranova
Terranova
Posted 4:41 PM 13/11/07
DVD's cost almost nothing to produce and very little to distribute. it's all perceived value and a total cash cow. saying they can't afford to pay the writers 8 cents - which is nowhere near what they deserve - is an absolute lie. they don't need to pass the buck to ANYone. Some big wig executives and stock holders just need to stop thinking that they deserve another million dollars wrth of stock options or another penthouse more than writers deserve to be average members of the middle class or upper-middle class. it's all about greed. and not on the part of the writers. what the writers are asking for is very little.
personally, i think writers whould get 10% of DVD sales. without the writers, there is nothing. they breath life into stories and create narratives out of thin air. the rest of the team is important, but the writers are the original creators and should be much higher on the totemm pole.
as for a percentage of online revenues, i again agree with the writers. even if online airings aren't being sold directly, they are being used to generate online advertising income and used to generate income in other areas that writers are locked out of. if an artist creates a cartoon character and you decide to use it in an advertisement for some unrelated product, the artist deserves to be compensated.
i can't believe how uncrupulous the studios are. it is quite clear that they know how much otential revenue is at stake (eve though they say there is no online revenue) or they would not be willing to lose viewership and spend potential billions of dollars on this strike and legal battle. the ssad part is that it's all a game to them. the big studios are fighting this because they can. that's why they have lawyers. law is a system to be played for maximum benefit whenever possible for those who can afford to do so. but to writers, this is about survival and an attempt to simply live a decent life and to be able to pay for basic things like retirement and college for kids.
Terranova
OLEDRevolution
Posted 4:23 PM 13/11/07
It's interesting to me as an engineer that I get paid once for any designs or improvements I make at my company. It's called a salary. Sometimes they'll give me a little bonus for working a little harder but I don't make a royalty for each additional "unit" that is produced and eventually sold based on my improvement. Maybe they should just provide actors and writers with a flat base salary and not provide royalties for each re-run. It would be nice if as an engineer I was paid a perpetual royalty from now until eternity for each new and additional product sold because of my creativity in solving a problem. Secondly, what these people do could be done at night as a hobby instead of as a full time job. Do something competetive that not everyone and their mother wants to do (i.e. engineering/study/use your brain for the advancement of human knowledge) and you get paid a competetive salary.
OLEDRevolution
James
Posted 4:15 PM 13/11/07
hm, now I get it. I understand that they don't like not getting paid for what they should be paid for... now, only if they got a reasonable wage, too. It's sickening. Oh, maybe the CEOs and whatnot could take a pay cut to help put some food on these tables.
The a two sided hate for me. I'm sorry that the writers are getting jacked around and helping (seemingly) the studios make more money... Buuuuuut... you know, I have a problem with the "entertainment" industry in general. So, oh well. I'll go find something else to do instead of watch TV or movies or listen to music.
James
smitty1123
Posted 6:25 PM 13/11/07
Fine with me. I've got Guitar Hero 3, Super Mario Galaxy, Assassin's Creed, Rock Band, Mass Effect, Uncharted and about 6 other games coming out in Nov/Dec that will occupy all my time anyway.
smitty1123
TurboFool
Posted 6:22 PM 13/11/07
I think it's funny how many articles complain that we're going to be stuck with nothing but reality television. Do you have any clue how many writers are employed in reality television? Who do you think writes the concepts, the challenges, the speeches, and more? There are tons of reality writers in the WGA, as well, and as far as I'm aware they're on the same strike.
TurboFool
websyndicate
Posted 6:05 PM 13/11/07
@astrograph: F@#K I forgot about 30rock NOOOOOOOOOOO
websyndicate
SantaBarbaraWahoo
Posted 6:51 PM 13/11/07
@HRHKingFriday: Current TV is kind of doing a similar thing for news, but I think you and I both are on the same page of seeing studio-quality production values for internet shows. That's going to require capital, which is going to necessitate an angel investor who doesn't care if they're blackballed by the rest of Hollywood. Mark Cuban, looking at you...
SantaBarbaraWahoo
leicaman
Posted 6:46 PM 13/11/07
All you bozos saying TV in the States is a joke, have you actually been anywhere else? I've watched TV in Brazil, Colombia, India, Kenya, Tanzania and Zanzibar in the past couple of years.
You know what? They can't hold a candle to US programming.
The networks are just greedy. The writers are flat out correct! They saw the New York Times screw their freelancers and decided they could get away with it too and screw their writers and other artists.
So we have to watch DVDs for the next six months rather reruns and "reality" crap - which is as bad or worse than even Brazil.
leicaman
HRHKingFriday
Posted 6:45 PM 13/11/07
@SantaBarbaraWahoo: I'm all for that. I don't see why they don't just team up and start their own internet network. After all, well written shows cater to a more affluent (and more coveted by advertisers) audience. They could even start a new network, a la Showtime and HBO. Ooo, or "Direct to Tivo" programming- I'd rather pay 39.95 for that than my current cable set up.
HRHKingFriday
metalfist
Posted 8:35 PM 13/11/07
I wish these writers would write better shows not the usual recycled stuff they keep banging out each season, besides they are one of the most blowhard jerks in Hollywood anyways, I've worked with most of them and they are all obsessive compulsive whiners, the poor production assistants suffer while you guys whine about all the money you aren't getting. First, stop creating dumb shows.
Second, you guys already have lots of money, oh...right...you make lots of money and you live in a very lavish neighborhood that you can hardly afford so you need more money...right!
Third, Hollywood is not making as much money as it used to bec. people are getting smarter, they have access to better technology, they are now capable of making their own movies, and besides...people would rather download torrent files and watch a movie for free than have to pay $12.00 for the same crappy movie you guys keep banging out.
All these Hollywood bigwigs are scared, they know the money is gone, shows are being outsourced to Canada, movies being made overseas bec. nobody wants to deal with union jerks, DVD sales aren't that good that's probably why they made a big hoopla about this HD DVD and Blu Ray format just to revive the sales, video game release dates are killing movie release dates, a movie is passive just like TV, whereas internet is interactive, I hardly watch TV anymore unless its the History Channel bec. just about everything out there is crap, I'd rather read a book and play online video games and sit and watch a "reality show" full of self important dweebs doing retarded puppet actions. Stop whining about what you're not getting!
metalfist
grimorg80
Posted 8:32 PM 13/11/07
I think this situation sucks. I mean, sooner or later the studios and the WGA will sit back at the table to find a good agreement.
The sooner they do it, the best is gonna be for everyone of them.
.....reality shows are FUCKING WRONG!!
grimorg80
Galley
Posted 7:26 PM 13/11/07
Without writers every actor would have to ad lib. How bad would that suck?
Galley
Maxwells_Nylon_Hammer
Posted 9:24 PM 13/11/07
I dont' know why some internet mogul hasn't snapped up the best writers and put them to work writing for "internet-only delivered" tv channel.
Maxwells_Nylon_Hammer
macrumpton
Posted 9:22 PM 13/11/07
While the studios are trying to crush the writers strike by feeding us endless reality tv trash and reruns of crappy shows, this is a great opportunity to check out some of the great shows that are made in Canada and the UK.
I think Regenesis (coming into its 4th season) and Spooks (on its 6th season), and Wire in the Blood (5 seasons) are as good as any dramas produced in the US, and the episodes (and whole seasons) available on bittorrent (and netflix).
Also there are some great US shows that never hit the bigtime, so maybe you missed them, like La Femme Nikita and The Wire, both are amazing.
Re the people resenting the writers strike causing pain to other workers: If there is really no money to be made in the new media distribution, why are the studios so reluctant to give a share? The studios are the ones trying to screw the writers, or else they would give a share of the "worthless" new media profits. I am sure they see the suffering of the crews as just another way to put public pressure on the writers to cave.
macrumpton
jnik
Posted 9:17 PM 13/11/07
KEEP STRIKING, YOU GUYS! I've got a huge backlog of stuff on my TiVo to clean out, then I can work on my giant pile of unwatched VHS tapes gathering dust in my living room!
How long did the last strike go? 3 months, I think. Excellent!
jnik
mrgraphics
Posted 9:06 PM 13/11/07
For the longest time, networks enjoyed a realitively free distribution model given to them by the US Government (Over the Air.) All they had to do was pay their licensing fees. Then Cable came and they actually made money because the new distribution model was paying them now in licensing fees.
They got fat and greedy along the way. Along comes a free distribution model again and they have to revert back to their original distribution model - except instead of paying a licensing fee, they have to pay for hosting. They are absolutely ridiculous.
Bloated Old-School Network Exec: "I have to start paying again? Hell, I'm used to the other way. Let's get someone else to flip the bill so that I can keep affording cocaine baths."
mrgraphics
xenti
Posted 9:02 PM 13/11/07
I refuse to support Union labor. I hope they starve to death.
xenti
Sculptor_Dan
Posted 8:43 PM 13/11/07
So should StriderM2K get a cut of the profits from Giz?
Sculptor_Dan
lionelbob
Posted 11:17 PM 13/11/07
Outsource the writing to India, they work for half the price, and no unions. Pretty soon we all will be Walmart greeters anyway. And the government can collect taxes on our minimum wage jobs to pay for the 1.9 trillion dollar war tab.
lionelbob
Jack Szwergold
Posted 1:04 AM 14/11/07
I'm happy that this post exists. It's a nice nutshell of the issue. And FWIW, I've been a lifelong TV addict until July 4th of this year. Why? Well, I started to research HDTVs and got sick of it. None of the information on them made any sense and I'm a tech! So then I realized, "What exactly do I watch?" and with the general decline of TV nowadays, I simply watch a handful of TV shows and maybe the news and that's it. So I chucked my old CRT TV and said "If I miss it, I'll just buy an HDTV and not think twice."
Guess what? I don't miss it. By 2010 it's all going to be different and we need people like the WGA fighting to make the playing field fair for all.
Jack Szwergold
MrMikster
Posted 2:28 AM 14/11/07
The WGA is not fighting to make the playing field fair for all. The residual issue is theirs, SAG's and the DGA's game. The rest of the below the line crew get nothing from this strike but an ulcer and shrunken bank account. And I have to laugh at the comments that writers should distribute their own shows on the internet. Without grips, costume designers, editors etc., who make the words come alive, you have a book.
MrMikster
banmojo
Posted 1:47 AM 14/11/07
I fart in the general direction of tv.
banmojo
Amiash
Posted 3:13 AM 14/11/07
there is nothing to worry about people should realize that.
that idiot box (tv) should be long gone.
au de contrary i pity those underpaid writers though.. they are one of the reason "studios" are called "studio" now..
people should get what they deserve its human nature..
(i guess im the last commenter again)
Amiash
Vekter
Posted 12:30 PM 14/11/07
@kOtic:
If they do, imma choke a bitch. >.>
Vekter
Major-General
Posted 12:22 PM 14/11/07
Let's see: no Battlestar Galactica, no Lost, No 30 Rock, possibly no Dexter or Family Guy, no soaps, not late night talk shows. I'm not seeing a downside.
Even with no CSI's, no Criminal Minds, no NCIS, no Numbers; I can survive on the reruns.
Wow, I watch a lot of CBS.
Major-General
derelikt
Posted 12:59 PM 14/11/07
@matt1978: Wow, thanks for demonstrating your amazing skill at holding an intelligent argument.
If you really wanna know, my job security isn't even remotely affected by the strikes. So I don't give a shit, really. Except I do, because sometimes you can, I dunno... care about something that involves other people.
Like I said... I agree that the writers have a point, and a right to fair profits... but there's always a flip side to striking because it negatively affects way more people than just the "Viewers."
Grow up. oh wait... you're apparently older than me, if your screen name is any indication. So congrats. On being an ass.
derelikt
Dave!
Posted 2:28 PM 14/11/07
Wait, someone *writes* The Andy Milonakis Show??? That is not a good point for the WGA to be making.
Seriously, the best point I've heard is that if the studios don't think there is money to be made in network distribution, then why not give the writers a %? Hell, why not give them 50%? They'd still never see a dime.
Riiiiiiighht...
Dave!
Shervyn
Posted 2:19 PM 14/11/07
@derelikt: actually they don't have a right to anything. If they can convince the producers that they should get paid then they have a contract and that is all. If they really believe they are so important let them walk away. But the reality is that except for a very few talented individuals there are 10 people waiting to step in the shoes of any writer that has a job. So if they are not willing to do the job at the market rate, then maybe they should go get another job.
At the end of the day that is how a free market is supposed to work: True competition allowing the truly talented and gifted to rise to the top.
Shervyn
derelikt
Posted 5:52 PM 14/11/07
@Shervyn: I agree with you. I never said "demands" (as opposed to letting a free market take its course) was the right way to go about this.
Everybody believes they "deserve" something, right? The writers believe they deserve moar monies, but the studios disagree. And I was just saying that I can see why writers would want a piece of the New Media Pie... if someone is profiting from work you've done, by all means, find a way to get in on the action. But I can see their perspective and still disagree with the way they go about it, no?
Good old fashioned "proving yourself" FTW.
derelikt
mgersh
Posted 7:49 PM 13/11/07
It's all about supply and demand. If the writers want too much, scab writers will always be willing to work for less. But look at the equities involved. These writers are paid plenty of cash up front. I am all in favor of their being paid little up front, and more if the work is successful. Alternatively, pay big up front, and little or nothing downstream. These writers now get it both ways, and they see a loophole where they can grab even more, by threatening the producers with Armageddon. It may be their own Armageddon that they invite.
I work for an internet alternative to television. We are thrilled to see that the writers are doing their best to kill the goose that gives them their golden eggs. If only they succeed, the way will be clear for the future, where there are many more choices, and each unit of entertainment is cheaper therefore. Why should stars get tens of millions when other talent is just as good, but stars hog the limelight. The writers want more - they may end up with much less.
We are living during the birth of the new world: more choices in entertainment, fewer stars. If the writers of serial television shows are the first to take the plunge, I say, bring on the future! Can the "star" actors be far behind? And then the producers. Any kid with a cheap DV camera can produce great stuff. I say "Bring it on!"
mgersh
demonbaby
Posted 5:57 PM 13/11/07
People should be asking why NBC wants to charge so much to purchase episodes online. Heroes is one of their biggest shows. To advertise on Heroes, it will cost you $330,000 for a 30 second spot. At 18 minutes of advertising, that's about $11.8 million dollars in gross ad revenue, in the United States, for one episode of Heroes. Heroes averaged about 14.3 million viewers per episode last season, so NBC is making about 80 cents gross per viewer. If you're supplying 80 cents by watching the show on your television, why are you expected to supply twice that to download it onto your iPod? And they'd like it to be even more than that. Pay your writers, fix your business model, and the money will keep coming in.
demonbaby
mgruichjr
Posted 4:56 PM 13/11/07
The writer' sstrike includes all writers through the WGA, pretty much the whole entertainment lineup. I am not in Hollywood, but I am involved with some TV work.
Yesterday we were told the strike is expected to last a year by some studio execs. They also informed us that there are a few shows that actually taped some episodes before the strike and they will show these in between reruns.
1) Lost
2) Jericho (6 episodes)
3) 24
We have a new TV show in the works and pretty much had a thumbs up to start taping. Right now we are on standbye pending the strike. It would have been nice to at least get a few episodes done to get some viewers interested and even a promo trailer running.
Everything else is a crap shoot from here. I really wish these guys would have waited a little longer or gone through negotiations in a different way. Eventually it will break and everyone will be a little more content for a few years before it happens again.
Until then,
Long live the directors!
mgruichjr
vierge99
Posted 4:00 PM 13/11/07
@DREWBYH
What was television and phone service like 25 years ago?
In 25 years all television and landline phone services will most likely be internet only. The trend is already beginning with IPTV and VoIP services. It's only a matter of time and in the entertainment and technology industries, 25 years is plenty. Companies that refuse or lack the mental capacity to adapt their business model to fit an online service where sole revenue isn't in advertising, will fail. And I support this change. Currently I'm paying $80 for cable net, $50 for TV with Starz movie package, and $25 for phone. That's $75 more than I should be paying considering I can VoIP for free and most TV content I want is available to me through LEGAL channels online.
vierge99
bborders
Posted 2:16 PM 13/11/07
Kotic, Heroes writers are striking, that's why there will only be 12 episodes this season. On last nights episode they said there were only 3 episodes left. So they are rushing the story and finishing up early. Battlestar only has 10 episodes filmed (up to the midseason cliff hanger) and are also on strike, so depending how long this lasts, we may only get half a season. However, NBC could end up airing BSG to fill some time on their network (They're own by the same parent compnay as SciFi). Please end the strike, I hate reality TV. I already read that American Idol will be on for 4 hours a week in the first few weeks of the season to fill up the 24 time slot!!!
bborders
mort108
Posted 2:04 PM 13/11/07
Without taking sides.....I would assume that a VERY large sum of money is spent by the networks or cable companies in order to being a show to even the failure point. Do the writers offer to refund their fees for poor writing???
mort108
mgersh
Posted 7:30 PM 14/11/07
One man calls it a strike, the other guy calls it blackmail. If the union did not threaten violence, their strike would not work. Many writers would gladly work for today's WGA rate, I am one of them. But they would then burn my house down, and besides, the union would enforce their blackmail on the networks long before that.
The free market should be allowed to work. Then we would not have any strike, and Jay Leno could go on pretending that he is witty and inventive. Let his producers bargain for the services of writers without a union contract to deal with. The world would be a better place. But if this strike goes on long enough we might not even remember who he was. I'd rather watch "Dancing with the Stars" than "24" anyway.
mgersh
robinandtami
Posted 9:03 PM 14/11/07
Collective bargaining still has a very valid place in today's world. In many instances it can be the only way to level the field between wealthy business entities and average working people. Corporations are all top heavy. If the average American salary had increased at the same rate as the average CEO salary over the past 30 years, the average American salary today would be almost $250,000 a year. The guys at the top want every penny they can get, and they don't want to share it with the people that put them there. Unions aren't always right in everything they do, but without them; we would ALL be living very differently than we do today.
robinandtami
mmcnary
Posted 10:28 AM 15/11/07
I wonder how namy kids are refusing do do homework 'In support of the WRITERS strike'...
mmcnary
raypp2
Posted 11:49 AM 15/11/07
Well put ROBINANDTAMI! The free market just doesn't work for the little guy. It is truly a shame that unions have created a bad reputation from some of their more questionable activities throughout history. It is important for MGERSH and others like him to understand that these acts of violence are actions of the few but are not supported by most.
Corporations bring great resources to bear to squeeze their workers and vendors and they must do the same to level the playing field and truly have a free and fair market. Violence crosses the line and it is unfortunate that corporations use these stories to trick people into disliking unions.
raypp2