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	<title>Comments on: iiNet naked DSL counts your uploads</title>
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		<title>By: 3DFun</title>
		<link>http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/11/iinet_naked_dsl_counts_your_up/comment-page-1/#comment-3595</link>
		<dc:creator>3DFun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I was looking forward to iinet&#039;s naked DSL. Well now that it is released I can see iinet have lost touch of the market. They are forcing people to buy their naked DSL with a hidden $20 surcharge for the packaged VoIP. People will see this as they will question why are they not simply getting charged $30 less. They should offer Naked DSL stand alone with no bundled VoIP. Just like Exetel are doing here:&lt;br /&gt;
www.exetel.com.au/a_plan..._adsl2_naked.php&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I hope they see the market they have missed and make a product to fill the gap.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also another gotcha is the uploads are now counted as part of your download limit.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was looking forward to iinet&#8217;s naked DSL. Well now that it is released I can see iinet have lost touch of the market. They are forcing people to buy their naked DSL with a hidden $20 surcharge for the packaged VoIP. People will see this as they will question why are they not simply getting charged $30 less. They should offer Naked DSL stand alone with no bundled VoIP. Just like Exetel are doing here:<br />
<a href="http://www.exetel.com.au/a_plan..._adsl2_naked.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.exetel.com.au/a_plan&#8230;_adsl2_naked.php</a></p>
<p>I hope they see the market they have missed and make a product to fill the gap.</p>
<p>Also another gotcha is the uploads are now counted as part of your download limit.</p>
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		<title>By: Haakon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haakon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 03:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I work in the ISP industry (not in retail ADSL) and you will most likely see this happening more often in Australia.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The reason for this is that the upstream to downstream utilization ratio is quickly heading towards 1:1 and at current growth rates end users are going to be net publishers of data not consumers soon. Once that happens ISPs are going to have to provision bandwidth on their outbound traffic levels and trying to recoup those costs on measuring just the inbound traffic just isn&#039;t going to fly.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work in the ISP industry (not in retail ADSL) and you will most likely see this happening more often in Australia.</p>
<p>The reason for this is that the upstream to downstream utilization ratio is quickly heading towards 1:1 and at current growth rates end users are going to be net publishers of data not consumers soon. Once that happens ISPs are going to have to provision bandwidth on their outbound traffic levels and trying to recoup those costs on measuring just the inbound traffic just isn&#8217;t going to fly.</p>
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		<title>By: audioboxer</title>
		<link>http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/11/iinet_naked_dsl_counts_your_up/comment-page-1/#comment-3593</link>
		<dc:creator>audioboxer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, they need a bit of work on this new plan.  It looks good on paper but when you get down to it... it&#039;s not that great.  It would save me a whopping $10/mo&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m on their Home5 plan already $99/mo with 20gb peak/40gb offpeak.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Furthermore iiNet in general is slow as crap to turn on any sort of service.  A week to turn on a phone?  Another week after that to start up DSL Service?!  Is it really that hard to &quot;flip a switch&quot;.  Point being, they aren&#039;t just slow to switch people over... they are just slow.  WA, as I&#039;m learning does really mean Wait Awhile.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, they need a bit of work on this new plan.  It looks good on paper but when you get down to it&#8230; it&#8217;s not that great.  It would save me a whopping $10/mo</p>
<p>I&#8217;m on their Home5 plan already $99/mo with 20gb peak/40gb offpeak.</p>
<p>Furthermore iiNet in general is slow as crap to turn on any sort of service.  A week to turn on a phone?  Another week after that to start up DSL Service?!  Is it really that hard to &#8220;flip a switch&#8221;.  Point being, they aren&#8217;t just slow to switch people over&#8230; they are just slow.  WA, as I&#8217;m learning does really mean Wait Awhile.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think Internode might do that too&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Internode might do that too</p>
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		<title>By: Seamus Byrne</title>
		<link>http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/11/iinet_naked_dsl_counts_your_up/comment-page-1/#comment-3591</link>
		<dc:creator>Seamus Byrne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 06:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Maybe we&#039;ll point back to this next time we get accused of giving sponsors positive commentary. We call things as we see them, and it&#039;s our honest opinion readers come for, and the respect from our audience that the sponsors accept. It means when we do say great things about a sponsor, readers know it&#039;s the real deal.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve got plenty of respect for iiNet - they&#039;ve worked hard to go from small Perth ISP to real challenger to the mega-corps of Optus and Telstra. But we don&#039;t like the upload count, so we have to call it out.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we&#8217;ll point back to this next time we get accused of giving sponsors positive commentary. We call things as we see them, and it&#8217;s our honest opinion readers come for, and the respect from our audience that the sponsors accept. It means when we do say great things about a sponsor, readers know it&#8217;s the real deal.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got plenty of respect for iiNet &#8211; they&#8217;ve worked hard to go from small Perth ISP to real challenger to the mega-corps of Optus and Telstra. But we don&#8217;t like the upload count, so we have to call it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Zac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 06:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;um... im staring at a large iinet advertisement on your site right now... surely your sponsor cant be cool with you talking about how much they suck ?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>um&#8230; im staring at a large iinet advertisement on your site right now&#8230; surely your sponsor cant be cool with you talking about how much they suck ?</p>
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