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Woz Supports iPhone Rebels, Stings Jobs
Posted by Mark Wilson at 10:55 AM on October 29, 2007
You think that Steve Wozniak (sexy hunk on left) has already filled as much of your techie heart as humanly possible, and then he starts dating Kathy Griffin and you kind of don't know how that makes you feel because you were never much of a fan, and then he blesses iPhone unlockers everywhere with his glorious, sweaty Woz hands.
From a business point of view, Apple owns what they have done. They have a right to lock it. But I am really for the unlockers, the rebels trying to make it free.We're liking this...rebels.
I'd really like it to be open to new applications. I'd like to install some nice games. Why in the world can I not install a ringtone that I've made? How would that hurt AT&T's network? Here is Steve Jobs sending letters to the record companies saying [they] should provide music that's unprotected, but here he is taking the opposite approach with the iPhone. I don't know to what extent AT&T is involved in the thinking and direction.Oh Woz, we don't either!! [laptopmag] [image]

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SirNirian
Posted 9:37 PM 28/10/07
"The" Woz is awesome i always have liked him (OMFG we are all such nerds) and about the Kathy (Red Headed Bimbo) Griffin I'm sure it was a case of mistaken identity because we all know that "The" Woz would never date anyone like that.
SirNirian
Wegmans
Posted 9:20 PM 28/10/07
except the Imperials wanted peace in the universe, yet the rebels wanted to keep fighting and make everyone's life worse. Stupid Jedi..
Wegmans
MIKEAWESOME
Posted 9:16 PM 28/10/07
Woz must read this blog, because it's like he's trying to further the "Imperials vs. Rebels" analogy.
MIKEAWESOME
abates25
Posted 8:56 PM 28/10/07
The irony is that the Steves' were prolific phreakers back in the day (isn't that what hacking Ma Bell was called?), working with tone generators to make free calls ;-)
Woz stayed true...as did Jobs, I suppose :-/
abates25
contempt
Posted 8:47 PM 28/10/07
Not sure I would blame ATT for the lock-down. The fact that Apple has recently been negotiating with other telcos in the EU, I'm sure they can write their own contracts that limit their involvement, so it's gotta be all Apple with the lockdown.
contempt
geschmidtt
Posted 8:47 PM 28/10/07
@Oldmanstan: the history of Apple has been one locking things down! Why is there no Apple clone. For the first 20 years of the Apple you needed to have all Apple Branded peripherals to work with their stuff, printer, scanner, disk drives, memory. Ironically, when Apple made the 1984 commercial when the chick through the hammer through the screen with the droning IBM guy; it turns out IBM opens their architecture to the public allowing the development of the personal PC world while Apple has kept its architecture closed ever since. The history of Apple has been a tightly held OS, API, and hardware standard. The iPhone just follows in that tradition.
geschmidtt
gadgetchic
Posted 8:39 PM 28/10/07
woz is the true iGod
gadgetchic
Falconfire
Posted 6:49 PM 28/10/07
@firesign: not to mention Jobs and him where never very buddy buddy.
Falconfire
firesign
Posted 6:30 PM 28/10/07
remember, woz got his start as a phreaker, so it's not surprising that he supports iphone unlockers.
firesign
daedric
Posted 6:28 PM 28/10/07
Apple gets as much as $18 a month for each subscriber, so you bet Apple wants to keep this thing locked for AT&T.
daedric
mettleh3d
Posted 6:20 PM 28/10/07
How does a semi-celebrity sharing a similar opinion qualify him for presidential candidacy? Cool, we've the same feelings on the subject, by the way wanna run the country? Hang on - you like techno music...? What have I done?
That being asked, in the end everyone's in it for the money.
mettleh3d
smac1
Posted 6:10 PM 28/10/07
I don't quite get what the logic would be for apple to prevent anyone on any network to buy an iphone; this has to be ATT.
There is no doubt in my mind it's in the contract btw ATT and Apple that Apple will make best effort to stop the iPhone being unlocked.
smac1
Nelson
Posted 6:05 PM 28/10/07
Woz and Mossberg have it right: the current American cellular paradigm is archaic and stupid.
[mossblog.allthingsd.com]
Nelson
oldmanstan
Posted 6:02 PM 28/10/07
@James: agreed, apple does have a nasty history of locking shit down but they aren't stupid, the iphone would be an absolute must-have for nerds everywhere if it weren't locked (rather than a "would really like to have but will likely wait" as it is now). that's probably ATT's doing, heaven forbid someone actually use their phone for something useful and not give the carrier a cut.
oldmanstan
James
Posted 5:37 PM 28/10/07
His last point is a point I've been trying to say for a long time. ATT is involved in this iPhone thing more than anyone cares to acknowledge.
James
mangochutney
Posted 5:35 PM 28/10/07
We should start a campaign, something like:
"Woz for president"
or
"Woz: 2008 Nobel Peace Prize Winner"
mangochutney
AlexNC
Posted 10:36 PM 28/10/07
also, AT&T is woth a lot of money. They can easily afford an Apple exclusive to gain so market share - much like the Xbox line can loose millions for years for market share. It's all about market share and a timeline.
AlexNC
AlexNC
Posted 10:35 PM 28/10/07
It's a timed exclusive, that all. I am sure once the contract is over, every mobile company on earth will be selling the iPhone. Apple is soon going to rule the PC world by using the iPhone trojan horse. Mark my words.
AlexNC
niravabhavsar
Posted 10:04 PM 28/10/07
I also think Steve Jobs is a hypocrite. It is completely outrageous for him to lock out ringtones I designed and have been using on my other phones.
niravabhavsar
Falconfire
Posted 11:48 PM 28/10/07
@geschmidtt: Interesting how you change facts to suit your own idea.
Apple was a closed system because all systems where. The only reason the PC became open was because the machine was legally reversed engineered. Prior to that you had to have a license from IBM to make a PC. And you never needed to have Apple Branded perpetuals ever, people bought them cause they tended to work better and most third parties refused to make two or three sets of drivers (one for C64 one for DOS or Windows eventually, and one for Mac OS)
The only reason the PC is the market leader today is because IBM lost control of their machine in the courts, and couldnt wrestle it back, thus why they dont even exist in the personal computer market pretty much anymore.
Falconfire
quiksilver180
Posted 11:02 PM 28/10/07
@daedric: i highly doubt it's $18/month and don't believe everything you read. all the apple analysts have no clue about anything apple related... and they suck for analysts (read 9to5mac's take on it)
quiksilver180
altus
Posted 1:20 AM 29/10/07
Apple has to come clean and truly make an SDK that allows for access and not "limited access". If they do they will dominate the camera-phone business for the next decade. Nokia' Symbian, Microsoft's Windows are just too pathetic.
altus
Vagabum
Posted 2:18 AM 29/10/07
Silly Woz, logic will get you nowhere (with Steve).
It seems like Woz has had a much higher profile the past few years than the previous decade. Perhaps its time for another Nor. Cal. Us Festival...
Vagabum
nojo
Posted 1:45 AM 29/10/07
@geschmidtt: For the first 20 years of the Apple you needed to have all Apple Branded peripherals to work with their stuff, printer, scanner, disk drives, memory.
I have a closet full of printers, scanners, disk drives, RAM chips, monitors and mice that suggests otherwise.
nojo
Monsterdog
Posted 4:57 AM 29/10/07
Whats this giz-split-personality act? Half the time you are total Apple fanboys, annoying those of us who are not, and then you suddenly goes into anti-Apple mode?
Monsterdog
kvstud
Posted 7:10 AM 29/10/07
Ying and Yang my friends. Its all about the Ying and da Yang.
kvstud
Major-General
Posted 8:48 AM 29/10/07
@geschmidtt: The history of Apple has been a tightly held OS, API, and hardware standard.
And this is the secret of the Mac "just working", being stable, blah, blah, blah. It's much easier getting stability and ease of use if you're not trying to support every damn piece of hardware/software cobbled together since the beginning of time.
Major-General
beyondthetech2007
Posted 7:53 AM 29/10/07
Stevie-boy is so hip with that popped collar. It's a shame that his hands are chained down by the board and shareholders who want nothing less than lockdown, domination, and submission. You tell 'em, Woz!
beyondthetech2007
dicky49
Posted 7:41 AM 29/10/07
Don't underestimate the Kathy Griffin factor in this. She apparently has the gussies to convince Woz to do her bidding (see female drag incident). Woz is apparently feeling his oats again and is willing to speak out about the tech issues more freely. It is unfortunate for him that in the end, Griffin will probably take him for an expensive ride. She has the first dime she ever made and has been notorious for taking financial advantage in all business and personal relationships. As far as the All Powerful Jobs taking the sting, I imagine he is laughing all the way to his Swiss bank . I hope Wozniak wakes up!
dicky49
newgalactic
Posted 11:37 AM 29/10/07
@James: You might be right, AT&T may be involved with Apples decision to lock down the iPhone. My point is, It doesn't matter. The cruel hard fact of life is that we are judged by the friends we keep, and those we do business with. Maybe AT&T has influenced Apple in their decision to lock down the phone. But at the end of the day, it's still Apples phone. They are not "victims" forced by AT&T to make decisions about their iPhone, not when they make so much money from that decision. Apple should be the ones held accountable for their actions. We shouldn't be looking for a "patsy" to pin the blame upon.
newgalactic
nutbastard
Posted 11:14 AM 29/10/07
@abates25:
Calling Jobs more than an Ego and a Figurehead insults real phreakers and hackers everywhere. Jobs may have tagged along, but he's far from having been a "prolific phreaker". Woz, on the other hand... has a Segway that'll do 40MPH. Nuff said.
nutbastard
Netscott
Posted 8:25 PM 29/10/07
The "rebels"? Sounds like he's making a reference to this protest video that Engadget broke awhile back.
Scott
Netscott
Jeyl
Posted 9:16 AM 30/10/07
It makes perfect sense that Woz supports the iPhone Rebels. Remember his "Blue Box" gadget that allowed him to make free phone calls? I believe it was called "phreaking". Funny how that was how Steve Jobs and Woz got started out. Now Jobs has sided with the dark side and Woz is supporting the rebels!
Here's a link to the blue box article.
[en.wikipedia.org]
Jeyl