well it seems like part of the goal of this protocol is to make it more difficult for this stuff to get tracked by the feds, yet easier to monitor for fakes and spam? doesn't really make sense.

jbhitter24

I wonder if this would bypass the whole Comcast shutting down your connection while using a P2P thing?

johnnyrandom

The problem here is pretty obvious. Users truthfully can claim that there are legit uses of bittorrent, but somehow i doubt you're going to see ubuntu distributions getting distributed via the pirate bay's protocol.

Also, unless the protocol is really clever about acting like another protocol, just the fact that it is it's own protocol makes it very easy for isp's to track, record, turn over to RIAA/MPAA etc.

bpatten

people like brokep help me sleep better at night.

low_dirt

Actually, they aren't breaking any of Sweden's laws as to regards to copyright.

So, everybody who says that TPB is just a site that hosts illegal files--your wrong. They don't host anything, other than the .torrent files themselves. Which are not illegal, under Swedish law.

And a lot of legal stuff is on TPB too. Ubuntu and all the rest get added to TPB within hours--nay, minutes--of them being posted on the starting tracker.

Oh, and for the record the 'pirate' thing is because not all pirates were evil and took over ships. Most of them were actually just mercenaries for hire and not the bloodthirsty kill-them-all-and-pillage types. Don't get me wrong: Those did indeed exist too. But much like a few individuals can be the entire public image of a certain group of people--so too befalls the fate of the Pirate.

dragonphyre

whatever you think of filesharing and pirate bay in particular, at least they're honest. they make no bones about what they're there for instead of hiding behind the "legitimate uses" bs.

firesign

The pirate bay really iritates me, because they are pretty open about the fact that they help violate copywrite law, and seem proud of it. The very name "Pirate Bay," makes everything they are about quite clear, and it makes me sad that so many people who woulden't go into a store and steal a movie or a CD are so gung ho about the pirate bay.
Bittorrent is an awesome protocol, and i want to see where they go with this new one, but designing it specifically to keep anti-piracy agencies from doing their job (even though they are the Pirate Bay, and it's in their best intrests) really gets to me.

Sean

@bpatten: I believe/would hope that ISPs wouldn't run to these organizations to rat on their users. It is a bad business practice to bankrupt or have your users jailed/harassed.

rususeruru

Staying ahead of the press is really where it's at. Like BitTorrent was flourishing while KaZaA users were being raped by the RIAA, it is now time to move on, as even some 80 year old grandmother is able to download dancing with the stars.

Although, having it built by the Pirate Bay just may give it too much publicity before it takes off - with the Feds already with their fingers stuck deep into it.

electrikecho

@sototallycarl:
You could do encryption, but that only makes you safe from someone sniffing your packets. If the RIAA is out there posing as another bittorrent user, all the encryption in the world isn't going to help you if you're connected to them.

hughjass

I think the pirate bay has a legitimate gripe, They dont do anything illegal, yet they are constantly harassed by various groups that must be a burden on their network.

Until what they do is ruled illegal, then they should go forth and make their protocol, and more power to them.

prodigal_son

@johnnyrandom:

I just wish people would start encrypting everything... As soon as I did, I have less issues with Comcast albeit it more issues with other people as they don't encrypt or have the proper software to do so.

sototallycarl

An excellent movie about the the Pirate Bay is on bittorrent, free for anyone to download. It's called "Steal This Movie". If you need some background on the whole situation in Sweden, it's worth a look.

flinch13

@dragonphyre:
Who you are referring to as "good" pirates were in fact privateers. In years past a governing body would release a Letter of Mark and Reprisal against other nations. Any ship carrying this letter had the state's authority to harrass those ships carrying the flag of the country which was listed in the letter.
So, my point is, pirates is bad, no matter how you shake it. Privateers is sorta good, but still closer to bad on the moral spectrum.
The pirate bay is just that, a refuge for pirates of the digital sea.

spock11384

"Oh, and for the record the 'pirate' thing is because not all pirates were evil and took over ships. Most of them were actually just mercenaries for hire . . . "

oh, *mercenaries*. well, that's respectable . . . kind of ironic if that's the image they want to portray.

although that analogy might be fitting nonetheless. i dunno . . .

object.session

woulden't go into a store and steal a movie or a CD

...or shoot a policeman. and then steal his helmet. go to the toilet in his helmet. and then send it to the policemans grieving widow. AND THEN STEAL IT AGAIN!

x23

"This plaque is to commemorate the brave pirates who gave their lives to keep this box safe from the Robot Menace. Lest we forget..."

strider_mt2k

@Rususeruru: "It is a bad business practice to bankrupt or have your users jailed/harassed."

And yet, that seems to be the RIAA's business model...

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